A New Alternative with Nexus 5 pricing emerges.

Actually I have a feeling it's not even the first time he's made that prediction. The fact that it was popularised by BGR doesn't lend it much credibility either

Hadron said:

Actually I have a feeling it's not even the first time he's made that prediction. The fact that it was popularised by BGR doesn't lend it much credibility either

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Agreed! BGR was good in the Blackberry days, He has super hooked up with the RIM rumor mill and always had an early look at upcoming devices... But these days I take a lot of what they say with a tea spoon of salt.

charliecc said:

Few hands-on coming in now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evEiekq_Di8



I'm going to try and get one early to sell it. I reckon they will be pretty hard to get hold of and will sell pretty well if you can get in early. Can't justify upgrading my N5 just yet, 1 new phone a year is enough.

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Thanks for posting that link. I'm getting excited for this phone!

Not for nothing, but I wouldn't buy the OnePlus One regardless of price. Anyone that is in bed with CM Inc isn't getting a penny from me. That's an absolute deal breaker for me. If you're looking for a (new) powerhouse device, take a peek at the Oppo Find 7a/7b.

NYCHitman1 said:

Not for nothing, but I wouldn't buy the OnePlus One regardless of price. Anyone that is in bed with CM Inc isn't getting a penny from me. That's an absolute deal breaker for me. If you're looking for a (new) powerhouse device, take a peek at the Oppo Find 7a/7b.

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Thats just wrong, you do realize if it wasnt for CM there wouldnt be nearly as many ROM choices as we have. Hell nearly all of the aosp based roms wouldnt exist at all w/o CM, including but not limited to AOKP, Omni, PA, Slim.

You might not like what went down with CM Inc, but let someone offer you millions to do what you love to do and tell me you would turn it down.

PlayfulGod said:

Thats just wrong, you do realize if it wasnt for CM there wouldnt be nearly as many ROM choices as we have. Hell nearly all of the aosp based roms wouldnt exist at all w/o CM, including but not limited to AOKP, Omni, PA, Slim.

You might not like what went down with CM Inc, but let someone offer you millions to do what you love to do and tell me you would turn it down.

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Agreed! They have MILLIONS of reasons why they went the direction they did. Doesn't make it wrong or right, just makes it right in their own judgment and now CM looks to become bigger then they could have ever imagined, and their all Paid!

However...I'm super interested in what oppo is doing as well. The Find 7 and Find 7a are looking very enticing.

PlayfulGod said:

Thats just wrong, you do realize if it wasnt for CM there wouldnt be nearly as many ROM choices as we have. Hell nearly all of the aosp based roms wouldnt exist at all w/o CM, including but not limited to AOKP, Omni, PA, Slim.

You might not like what went down with CM Inc, but let someone offer you millions to do what you love to do and tell me you would turn it down.

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Not speaking for NYCHitman (since last time I checked I wasn't a mind reader), but in my case it is quite possible to be respectful of Cyanogen's role in ROM development and still want nothing to do with what CyanogenMod has become, much less sport a phone with a Cyanogen logo on it. I loved CM 7 on my Nexus One, but CM has now become like another software layer, like Sense and Touchwiz. I want nothing to do with any of them. I'd never put it on my Nexus 5 and that detail immediately turned me off to the One + One.

With all due respect, of course.

PlayfulGod said:

Thats just wrong, you do realize if it wasnt for CM there wouldnt be nearly as many ROM choices as we have. Hell nearly all of the aosp based roms wouldnt exist at all w/o CM, including but not limited to AOKP, Omni, PA, Slim.

You might not like what went down with CM Inc, but let someone offer you millions to do what you love to do and tell me you would turn it down.

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It's not wrong and I daresay that CM wasn't the starter of this hobby we've grown to love. The thought process that without them we'd have nothing is what is wrong. Their initial position, findings, and work will never go unnoticed, but where they have gone is something that I could never agree to because of the dirty tactics they took to get there. That is where my problem with them stems from.

There's a reason why their co-founder recently left. You just have to ask yourself why.

Hook said:

Not speaking for NYCHitman (since last time I checked I wasn't a mind reader), but in my case it is quite possible to be respectful of Cyanogen's role in ROM development and still want nothing to do with what CyanogenMod has become, much less sport a phone with a Cyanogen logo on it. I loved CM 7 on my Nexus One, but CM has now become like another software layer, like Sense and Touchwiz. I want nothing to do with any of them. I'd never put it on my Nexus 5 and that detail immediately turned me off to the One + One.

With all due respect, of course.

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With the exception of getting paid, how is CM any different from the other aosp based roms? CM still developed (at least contributed by) the community and adds support for more devices than google does. They include features most ppl want/ask for and it doesnt take the feel of aosp from it, unlike touchwiz etc does.

We all have our preferences, opinions, and favorite roms, thats to be expected. But to flat out hate on CM for being successful?? Thats just not right IMO.

Now the cm branding on the phone,or any branding for that matter I;m not a fan of. But isnt any different than a nexus having google on it IMO.

And yes, with all due respect.

CM becoming inc directly resulted in why we have OMNI. The others, I'm not so sure of you can say we wouldn't have them without CM.

Sure, ROMS use commits from other teams, but I'm not sure you could say we wouldn't have PA, AOKP, ect without CM. It may have taken longer to get certain features (or not, the community could have just submitted the code to a different team - we will never know), but CM wasn't the first custom ROM out there - they started out modifying another.

Its certainly an interesting side topic, but keep that part in mind . We may need to spin this topic off into a new thread if it detracts too much from the current one. Thats not necessarily a bad thing, just a heads up if it happens

PlayfulGod said:

With the exception of getting paid, how is CM any different from the other aosp based roms? CM still developed (at least contributed by) the community and adds support for more devices than google does. They include features most ppl want/ask for and it doesnt take the feel of aosp from it, unlike touchwiz etc does.

We all have our preferences, opinions, and favorite roms, thats to be expected. But to flat out hate on CM for being successful?? Thats just not right IMO.

Now the cm branding on the phone,or any branding for that matter I;m not a fan of. But isnt any different than a nexus having google on it IMO.

And yes, with all due respect.

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It doesn't have anything to do with their success. It's how they became successful. It appears to me that you weren't privy to some nitty gritty details of how they became CM Inc. That conversation is for another thread though.

Rxpert83 said:

CM becoming inc directly resulted in why we have OMNI. The others, I'm not so sure of you can say we wouldn't have them without CM.

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Well, that's only the case because some of the lead contributors and maintainers were forced out of the company.

NYCHitman1 said:

It's not wrong and I daresay that CM wasn't the starter of this hobby we've grown to love. The thought process that without them we'd have nothing is what is wrong. Their initial position, findings, and work will never go unnoticed, but where they have gone is something that I could never agree to because of the dirty tactics they took to get there. That is where my problem with them stems from.

There's a reason why their co-founder recently left. You just have to ask yourself why.

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I agree CM didnt start his hobby of ours, hell I was modding the razr v3 way back in the day lol. Its just about every popular aosp based rom merges at least the build core additions and various other commits. Most fork cm device repos, make a few edits and remove any mention of CM from them, which isnt right.

I dont know all the details of CM Inc beginnings , I just know only the ones involved know the whole story. What we read posted here and yonder is just bits and pieces of the story, tho I've been told bits and pieces here and there. I admit some of what I read I didnt like either, but I didnt jump to conclusions and decide to hate/not like ppl I have been chatting/working with for a few years now. And I disliked what some have said/done during and since CM Inc was announced. I dont like the direction or how OmniRom is done, but I dont hate it or the Omni team, just my interaction is limited to sharing needed commits to fix something I might be knowledgeable/working on (4.4 on the Gnex for example).

And CM Inc even admitted thing could have been handled differently/better, but we all have to consider what all is involved when incorporating like that with big money backers. Live and learn yanno.

Now far as Koush leaving CM Inc, his public reason was his wanted to get back to developing apps with his Clockworkmod brand, which is what he does best. His role at CM Inc took him away from the development side too much.

I'm sure there is more to it than whats been posted publicly, and I've not seen any irc chatter over it, but from my chair, he didnt leave on bad terms.

Rxpert83 said:

CM becoming inc directly resulted in why we have OMNI. The others, I'm not so sure of you can say we wouldn't have them without CM.

Sure, ROMS use commits from other teams, but I'm not sure you could say we wouldn't have PA, AOKP, ect without CM. It may have taken longer to get certain features (or not, the community could have just submitted the code to a different team - we will never know), but CM wasn't the first custom ROM out there - they started out modifying another.

Its certainly an interesting side topic, but keep that part in mind . We may need to spin this topic off into a new thread if it detracts too much from the current one. Thats not necessarily a bad thing, just a heads up if it happens

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Even Omni uses commits from CM.

And yea, some of our current roms still may came into existence w/o CM, their teams all have talented devs too, not bashing on any of them.

And yea thats prolly a good idea.

NYCHitman1 said:

It doesn't have anything to do with their success. It's how they became successful. It appears to me that you weren't privy to some nitty gritty details of how they became CM Inc. That conversation is for another thread though.



Well, that's only the case because some of the lead contributors and maintainers were forced out of the company.

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I've been privy to alot since, not so much as it happened. From what I know, seen, heard, and been told alot of it was blown way out of proportion and taken out of context.

And yes I agree we've gone way off topic here.

Lol...On Topic,,, I'm gonna do my best to get my mits on a 1+1

I've been poking around at a few video clips that are up on YouTube, and just can't help trying to understand how such a speced out beast can only be $349 with 64GB of storage...RETAIL AND CONTRACT FREE!

sean76 said:

Lol...On Topic,,, I'm gonna do my best to get my mits on a 1+1

I've been poking around at a few video clips that are up on YouTube, and just can't help trying to understand how such a speced out beast can only be $349 with 64GB of storage...RETAIL AND CONTRACT FREE!

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there was a post on g+ explaining how OnePlus, Oppo etc didnt spend the billions on advertising like Samsung and others do. Instead they used social media to get their name/products out.

But even with that explanation, they still cant be making much on it.

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PlayfulGod said:

there was a post on g+ explaining how OnePlus, Oppo etc didnt spend the billions on advertising like Samsung and others do. Instead they used social media to get their name/products out.

But even with that explanation, they still cant be making much on it.

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Yea all that marketing costs $$$
BIG $$$

But still to make a phone of that nature would still cost a pretty penny, if they are doing this with out making any profit they will surely be out of business in no time. I still want to hold it in my hand and see the build quality and how it performs, etc..

Marketing is VERY expensive. How much do you think Apple & Samsung spend on marketing? Now eliminate that, what would their products cost now?

SAL8116 said:

Marketing is VERY expensive. How much do you think Apple & Samsung spend on marketing? Now eliminate that, what would their products cost now?

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There are people out there that do tear downs on devices and estimate manufacturing costs.

The S5 was somewhere around $280 if I remember right.

Part of that difference is marketing, part of it is covering legal fees, part of that is Samsung makes a lot of their own parts, part of it is you're simply paying more for the "latest and greatest" thing out there.

Rxpert83 said:

There are people out there that do tear downs on devices and estimate manufacturing costs.

The S5 was somewhere around $280 if I remember right.

Part of that difference is marketing, part of it is covering legal fees, part of that is Samsung makes a lot of their own parts, part of it is you're simply paying more for the "latest and greatest" thing out there.

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Absolutely, but marketing is a huge chunk of the cost. So if you can minimize that, you can afford to sell at a cheaper price. So let's us your number of $280. What's the off contract price 700+? That's a 400 "profit" for each phone sold. How much of that do you think goes into marketing? I'd say at least 200 per phone. So now, eliminate or reduce marketing and that 700 phone becomes 500.

Granted the math isn't exact, but I think you can follow my point. Just look at the Nexus, do you see any advertising for it? I don't and therefore Google saves money on marketing and therefore pass the savings along to us. OnePlus, is essentially using Googles model to sell there phone. Now granted, they lose marketshare because not everyone will hear about them. But how many units of the Nexus 5 has Google sold strictly through social media, and word of mouth?

SAL8116 said:

Absolutely, but marketing is a huge chunk of the cost. So if you can minimize that, you can afford to sell at a cheaper price. So let's us your number of $280. What's the off contract price 700+? That's a 400 "profit" for each phone sold. How much of that do you think goes into marketing? I'd say at least 200 per phone. So now, eliminate or reduce marketing and that 700 phone becomes 500.

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Lets look back at prior flagships to get some actual numbers

In about a year, samsung sold 50 million galaxy SIII's (source), and as a company spent $880 million on marketing (source).

If that were only spent on s3 marketing, thats $17 per device. But thats the money they spent on marketing everything, not just the s3. So the actual cost per device is lower than that

SAL8116 said:

Granted the math isn't exact, but I think you can follow my point. Just look at the Nexus, do you see any advertising for it? I don't and therefore Google saves money on marketing and therefore pass the savings along to us. OnePlus, is essentially using Googles model to sell there phone. Now granted, they lose marketshare because not everyone will hear about them. But how many units of the Nexus 5 has Google sold strictly through social media, and word of mouth?

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Google sells the nexus brand for dirt cheap because they aren't in it to make money by selling devices. They're an advertising company.

They are buying their way into the market basically.

PlayfulGod said:

there was a post on g+ explaining how OnePlus, Oppo etc didnt spend the billions on advertising like Samsung and others do. Instead they used social media to get their name/products out.

But even with that explanation, they still cant be making much on it.

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Oh Oppo spends more than enough on advertising and marketing and getting in bed with the carriers, believe me.