Flash on Android, and Google dictating

liviococcia · Apr 18, 2014

I just wanted to say that this recent Google anti Flash webpage plugin fiasco in 'Kitkat', and the removal of our own choice by Adobe to continue development was wrong, and is still wrong.

Wheather deciding to continue to run the webpage media plugin is safe, or efficient, or viable the fact remains the internet is still heavily using it, and it feels like the entertainment side of the web has somehow been broken on purpose.

Hopefully some artistic programmer creates an opensource replicant of Flash, so that websites can be viewed in all there 'full desktop' glory, as a webpage was intended to be seen, and used on a mobile unrooted Android device.

Or, that hopefully an app developer creates a browser, that dosn't need a hacked version of an old pluging to play Flash content, thats far more risky to internet security!

Regs

Crashdamage · Apr 18, 2014

Flash is all but dead. Even Adobe knows it. And the web is better off without the friggin thing. Hopefully, developers will not beat a dead horse and move on.

As for "the removal of our own choice by Adobe to continue development", it was never 'our' choice because flash never was ours. Adobe owns flash, it always was their choice to continue, and they correctly choose not to. Get over it.

liviococcia · Apr 18, 2014

Crashdamage said:
Flash is all but dead. Even Adobe knows it. And the web is better off without the friggin thing. Hopefully, developers will not beat a dead horse and move on.

As for "the removal of our own choice by Adobe to continue development", it was never 'our' choice because flash never was ours. Adobe owns flash, it always was their choice to continue, and they correctly choose not to. Get over it.

Trouble is the fact remains, that the web and there developers are slow on the uptake to change formats, and while Adobe still supports Flash plugin for Microsoft Windows desktop pc's means there reason is even less when pressing forward to fully support Html5 media management, i want fully working desktop view today in Android and not when the web guys get around to it.

Why should any single company own something so internet user reliant like Flash, then decide to abandon it for whatever lame reason, so it's complicated to use, or clunky or risky in some way, don't chuck it out the window before something else has been fully agreed, and intergrated, and that the web creating world have established it use throughout the internet.

That's way some browsers are still trying to manage Flash media in some way.

mikedt · Apr 18, 2014

liviococcia said:
Trouble is the fact remains, that the web and there developers are slow on the uptake to change formats, and while Adobe still supports Flash plugin for Microsoft Windows desktop pc's means there reason is even less when pressing forward to fully support Html5 media management, i want fully working desktop view today in Android and not when the web guys get around to it.

Yeh, web developers that never got around to viewing their own sites on iOS devices, like iPads, and seeing the infamous lego brick missing plug-in thing.

Contact the "web guys" concerned, and tell them that you want to see their websites looking and working correctly on your mobile devices, and not just be limited to desktop OSs, like Windows and OS X.

To be frank I really think it was Apple that done it in for mobile Flash. Web developers probably got a barrage of complaints that people couldn't view sites on their iPhones and iPads.

liviococcia said:
Why should any single company own something so internet user reliant like Flash,

Because they invented it, and it's their own proprietary, copyrighted and patented technology. i.e. we don't give away our crown jewels. Same with Microsoft's Silverlight, that's desktop OS only as well, that's not even on Windows Phone.

liviococcia said:
then decide to abandon it for whatever lame reason, so it's complicated to use, or clunky or risky in some way, don't chuck it out the window before something else has been fully agreed, and intergrated, and that the web creating world have established it use throughout the internet.

Money most likely, it costs real $$$ to keep on supporting it. So they're just concentrating on keeping it going with desktop OSs, for the time being.

funkylogik · Apr 18, 2014

For what its worth theres still a way to get flash on kitkat if youre interested.
Tbh though, i havent bothered since getting kitkat and it rarely affects me nowadays.
I agree with the others, dont blame adobe, blame the webmasters :thumbup:

liviococcia · Apr 18, 2014

funkylogik said:
For what its worth theres still a way to get flash on kitkat if youre interested.
Tbh though, i havent bothered since getting kitkat and it rarely affects me nowadays.
I agree with the others, dont blame adobe, blame the webmasters :thumbup:

I don't just blame Adobe, or Google or anyone else..

I blame them all.., they act like they can taken possession of a inovative echo system called the internet, provide ways and means to explore and get around it, so now in 2014, when they make some fundamental decision there actions change this enviroment.

I get this impression, they feel there the owners of the internet and eveything within it, and i recon they think they have full control in the direction it takes.

They make a change and everything jumps, Google's still a search engine with fingers in other pies, Adobe's still only a Multimedia software firm, and Apple or Microsoft, OS creators and hardware makers, but does this mean we let them act like the 4 familys of the web.

The internet was ours once, and in 2014 those free days have begun to leaving us, this is the thin edge of the wedge.

More big changes will come

Deleted User · Apr 18, 2014

OP, I'm finding it difficult to sympathize with your position on this. Flash is buggy and laden with attack vectors, and it's also quite resource intensive. Frankly, I don't see why anyone else should bother to use Flash if Adobe won't support it. It's up to web designers to start updating their pages, and that process can be somewhat expedited at the behest of users. If you're not happy about how a website looks on your handset, let them hear about it. If enough people grouse, something will get changed. My desktop browser runs a flash blocker extension in Chrome, and almost everything omitted from a page (because it's in Flash) is an ad. I just don't see why it's necessary anymore.

Crashdamage · Apr 18, 2014

Relax. Have a piece of pie. It's just flash and we'll get along just fine without it. Not a grand conspiracy by 'the 4 families of the web'. Just flash.

funkylogik · Apr 18, 2014

OP but no one owns the internet, including you.
If you were somehow paying adobe then id understand your stance but you arent.
Think of it this way.. they arent taking something away from you, they just stopped giving you something.
In a couple of years no one will miss flash. Mobile browsers are the main source of internet for a LOT of peogle. If the websites dont updated, theyll fail. Simple as that :thumbup:

And i notice you chose to ignore that theres a hack for this lol

Rxpert83 · Apr 18, 2014

Its been known that flash is dead for some time. keep in mind adobe stopped supporting android in version 4.1 jellybean not 4.4 KitKat. 4.1 was released in July of 2012, so this impending doom on flash on mobile has been known since at least then. HTML5 will be the future. You could say that futures here.

If webmasters aren't changing their system to stay relevant, you can't really blame Adobe. Adobe owns flash, and have decided against using it going forward.

I don't get angry when I can't buy the wolf of wall street on VHS, or that I can't play battlefield 4 on saga (just having fun

)

Just times a changing. Technology evolves. Websites will either move with it or become eclipsed.

funkylogik · Apr 18, 2014

Dammit ^ i wish id thought of those analogies

mikedt · Apr 18, 2014

RyanB said:
OP, I'm finding it difficult to sympathize with your position on this. Flash is buggy and laden with attack vectors, and it's also quite resource intensive. Frankly, I don't see why anyone else should bother to use Flash if Adobe won't support it. It's up to web designers to start updating their pages, and that process can be somewhat expedited at the behest of users. If you're not happy about how a website looks on your handset, let them hear about it. If enough people grouse, something will get changed. My desktop browser runs a flash blocker extension in Chrome, and almost everything omitted from a page (because it's in Flash) is an ad. I just don't see why it's necessary anymore.

I always block Flash as well, except for when I need it, for say YouTube, Tudou or Youku. And for mobile those sites don't need Flash. They have their own apps and/or they work fine in a mobile browser anyway using HTML5.

chanchan05 · Apr 18, 2014

They don't feel they own the internet, but they do own the tools other people use. If they realize that the tools they once provided isn't going any further and is just actually holding them back, like the way the coding problems is with flash, they just pull it own and give you something better.

To use another analogy, in the 1800s, the world was so much reliant on steam engines to power trains and boats. But diesel engines got invented which is better than steam engines. Support for repair and parts of steam engines were stopped. People back then probably felt the same way as you. My steam engine train just needs a small thing to get back working, why aren't you producing it? You tell me I need to convert to diesel? But eventually, everybody did.

Same here. Eventually everybody will convert to the more lightweight and feasible HTML5.

On a sidenote, nowadays the only times I encounter those missing flash plugins is on ads, which is fine.

funkylogik · Apr 18, 2014

^perfect

Deleted User · Apr 19, 2014

I have a feeling the discussion went to the direction the OP wasn't banking on

funkylogik · Apr 19, 2014

Which is often the case on here when someone seems overly negative about something relating to android lol

chanchan05 · Apr 19, 2014

funkylogik said:
Which is often the case on here when someone seems overly negative about something relating to android lol

He's not really negative relating to Android. He just refuses to move on from an obsolete piece of tech. Kind of like those grand dads who refuse to move on from VHS, and probably was irritated that we here don't see it the same way. Mainly probably because we're on Android for quite some time now, which is sort of makes us more tolerant of change as long as it's for the better.

vosg · Apr 27, 2014

Here's how to get Flash working on Kitkat. I tried it with Dolphin browser and it works very well. My phone is not rooted (yet)

[Guide][Flash]How to play flash video on And

funkylogik · Apr 27, 2014

^ Yup works fine for me :beer:

mikedt · Apr 29, 2014

Just a quick FYI in this thread.

I went to view a Chinese site today, desktop mode only, needed Flash to see the content. Phone is a rooted Oppo Find 7a with JB 4.3(ColorOS 1.2), installed Flash and it worked straight away.

Deleted User · Apr 29, 2014

Is the Find 7 your daily driver? (thread officially hijacked)

womb raider · Apr 29, 2014

chanchan05 said:
He's not really negative relating to Android. He just refuses to move on from an obsolete piece of tech. Kind of like those grand dads who refuse to move on from VHS, and probably was irritated that we here don't see it the same way. Mainly probably because we're on Android for quite some time now, which is sort of makes us more tolerant of change as long as it's for the better.

It's not that OP's refusing to move on, I'm guessing they just use a lot of websites that have Flash videos. I do too. If the websites I use start utilising HTML5 or some other video format that works with my phone, then I'll happily stop using Flash. Until then I'll use it. No need to be condescending.

mikedt · Apr 29, 2014

womb raider said:
It's not that OP's refusing to move on, I'm guessing they just use a lot of websites that have Flash videos. I do too. If the websites I use start utilising HTML5 or some other video format that works with my phone, then I'll happily stop using Flash. Until then I'll use it. No need to be condescending.

Desktop sites might still be using Flash, and some web devs are assuming you're using a desktop OS, i.e, Windows, Mac OS X, or a Linux OS like Ubuntu or Mint. It's mobile sites that shouldn't be using Flash now, and I think the vast majority have gone over to HTML5 technologies. The fact remains Adobe have discontinued mobile Flash, which is their proprietary product, and so Flash on Android is basically a hack, unsupported, and will not receive any more updates from Adobe.

If Adobe makes any enhancements or changes to Flash in the future and websites require it, Flash 11 on mobile could have problems. It's Flash 12 for desktop OSs now. If Adobe aren't spending the $$$ to support mobile Flash why should anyone else? Which could be very difficult anyway because Flash is proprietary.

Deleted User · Apr 29, 2014

Exactly. As most people posted her before, it falls on the devs to update their sites to work well on mobile devices

mikedt · Apr 29, 2014

RyanB said:
Is the Find 7 your daily driver? (thread officially hijacked)

Yup, the Find 7 is my daily use phone now. Quite an upgrade from a Galaxy Win Duos.

Rooted it, installed Google Play etc, Very pleased and happy with it, and is everything I was expecting. :thumbup:

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