Are you planning on getting the G3

rushmore · May 28, 2014

AnonGuy said:
The SD Card issues on Samsung Phones are a non-factor with their Stock File Manager, unless you're a root user.

And I don't think OEMs should be making their phones easy to exploit to satisfy those users. I want the phone bulletproof, because I care about security and data privacy.

It is not a non factor with third party apps and emulators. Quite the opposite. Kitkat crippling of sd card function for apps is pure stupid, no matter how spun.

Secure from whom? Yourself? The lockdown is due to enterprise business they are futilely trying to get. Consumers are getting $crewed. Real hard by both Google and Samsung & Verizon.

No sanctimonious wit for me thank you. Like Plankton from Spongebob, I went to college!

rushmore · May 28, 2014

RISUG said:
No 805, Odin, Mediatek 6595, or any SoC superior to the 801.
Therefore - no sale.

As such, I wash my hands of 32-bit and will go to the next level.

S5 and M8 primes be damned! Get it right the first time!

I shall wait till 2015 in order to buy a phone with a 64-bit SoC.

I will give LG first dibbs because I love their design language (rear-mounted controls in particular).

P.S. - The G3 is a sexy beast; too bad LG failed to fulfill my sole criterion.

Based on the performance and battery life of my A7 powered Air, 64 bit is a worthy wait. My S4 can
hold out until then. Might be over year from now though for an Android 64bit SoC.

AnonGuy · May 28, 2014

rushmore said:
It is not a non factor with third party apps and emulators. Quite the opposite. Kitkat crippling of sd card function for apps is pure stupid, no matter how spun.

Secure from whom? Yourself? The lockdown is due to enterprise business they are futilely trying to get. Consumers are getting $crewed. Real hard by both Google and Samsung & Verizon.

No sanctimonious wit for me thank you. Like Plankton from Spongebob, I went to college!

What does Samsung and Google have to do with that, like literally? Samsung didn't create Android 4.4 and they certainly didn't tell google to cripple the SD Card functionality in it. Verizon doesn't develop the OS and carriers barely code any OS functionality, only the apps to access their services that they preload on the devices. They have nothing to do with what KK did to SD Card functionality.

And I've only run across one 3rd party app that lost functionality (OneDrive) to save to the SD Card post Kit Kat.

As for other "consumers" who got "$crewed" (cute, that); none of the people I know with Galaxy S4 or Note 3 devices (about 6-7 of them that I speak to regularly) have complained to me about their SD Cards getting crippled by the update. Half of them probably don't care and probably haven't even put an SD Card in the phone.

A few people didn't even bother until I basically took their phone and put one in for them, Lol.

Only a small vocal minority of people are complaining about the SD Cards on these phones, and a lot of them are laying blame at the wrong table.

I went to college too. It's overrated.

AnonGuy · May 28, 2014

rushmore said:
Based on the performance and battery life of my A7 powered Air, 64 bit is a worthy wait. My S4 can
hold out until then. Might be over year from now though for an Android 64bit SoC.

The performance benefit from most apps probably doesn't even eclipse 10% from that 64-Bit CPU, so it's overall pretty much in line with a normal processor upgrade - for the most part. The GPU is the biggest upgrade, generally speaking, in the A7 and it's why that SoC is so great at running those Retina iPad devices.

Apple has always been good with battery life, because their OS is designed to conserve as much as possible by limiting multi-tasking and background tasks, among other things. They also do not overload their devices with sensors like many Android OEMs do and even components like their screens are designed to save power aggressively (the extremely sensitive/hyper-active auto brightness drove me crazy on the iPhone). This allows devices like an iPhone 5 to achieve a battery rating comparable to the GS4 despite having a battery that is 1,000+ mAh smaller than its Android flagship counterpart.

In a world where Android Techies are saying "3000 mAh or bust" Apple is shipping devices with battery sizes comparable to year 2010 Android Flagships and getting comparable battery life...

64-Bit does provide some noticeable benefits in some areas, but those are fairly niche (at the moment, especially on mobile devices) and aren't really exploited by most general purpose applications on these devices.

Sandroidfan · May 28, 2014

AnonGuy said:
Apple has always been good with battery life, because their OS is designed to conserve as much as possible by limiting multi-tasking and background tasks, among other things. They also do not overload their devices with sensors like many Android OEMs do and even components like their screens are designed to save power aggressively (the extremely sensitive/hyper-active auto brightness drove me crazy on the iPhone). This allows devices like an iPhone 5 to achieve a battery rating comparable to the GS4 despite having a battery that is 1,000+ mAh smaller than its Android flagship counterpart.

In a world where Android Techies are saying "3000 mAh or bust" Apple is shipping devices with battery sizes comparable to year 2010 Android Flagships and getting comparable battery life...

It's true iOS is more battery efficient with limited multi-tasking.

But there is another big factor you forgot about, screen size difference. iPhone is still at 4" screen size. but most android flagships are over 5" now with higher resolution, hence need bigger battery capacity.

iPhone 6 is supposed to have screen size close to 5", so its battery capacity will obviously grow as well.

AnonGuy · May 28, 2014

Sandroidfan said:
It's true iOS is more battery efficient with limited multi-tasking.

But there is another big factor you forgot about, screen size difference. iPhone is still at 4" screen size. but most android flagships are over 5" now with higher resolution, hence need bigger battery capacity.

iPhone 6 is supposed to have screen size close to 5", so its battery capacity will obviously grow as well.

The iPhone 4S had a 3.5" screen with higher resolution than the GS2 at 4.3" and still used a battery that was smaller and got better battery life.

I don't really think the screen is that big a factor, especially with the battery size difference completely overpowering the difference IMO.

They simply seem to have gone further in optimizing the power draw of their device and restraining from throwing in more hardware except when absolutely necessary.

jackdubl · May 29, 2014

AnonGuy said:
The ones you use to exploit the phone and do the tinker things you like to do. The same exploits that malicious apps can use, theoretically.

Unless you guys have found a switch in settings to enable su access among other things. Pray tell?

But your internal storage is safe from these attacks?

AnonGuy · May 29, 2014

jackdubl said:
But your internal storage is safe from these attacks?

Read the exchange. Your question makes literally no sense in response to that reply of mine you quoted.

I'm referring to phones that are easily hacked. Rooting and jailbreaking requires a security hole to exploit, which is why often root methods fail to work across OS Revisions. The security holes used get patched by developers.

A more secure device is a good thing for the vast majority of users. You don't need to drink kool-aid to come to that conclusion.

The internal storage is safe if it is decently encrypted on a securely locked device that isn't so easily exploited, yes.

Sandroidfan · May 29, 2014

AnonGuy said:
The iPhone 4S had a 3.5" screen with higher resolution than the GS2 at 4.3" and still used a battery that was smaller and got better battery life.

I don't really think the screen is that big a factor, especially with the battery size difference completely overpowering the difference IMO.

They simply seem to have gone further in optimizing the power draw of their device and restraining from throwing in more hardware except when absolutely necessary.

It doesn't seem like your example supports your arguments very well.

iPhone 4S has 1430mAh and GS2 has 1650mAh battery capacity. So GS2 has only 15% bigger battery but 50% larger screen area than iPhone 4S. Also Apple AP is fairly efficient chip. So GS2 is already at big disadvantage for battery from hardware standpoint. But GS2 battery life is not that worse than iPhone 4S, maybe within 25% difference.

Now today android got a lot better with JB, KK. Display like 5.2" FHD screen is 69% bigger area than 4" iPhone 5S screen along with much higher resolution, which is big disadvantage for androids battery. If OS are equally efficient, that should offset 2X battery size advantage a lot. But phones like G2, Note 3 are lasting almost twice longer than iPhone 5S. This tells me JB, KK are more or less on par with iOS7 in power management.

AnonGuy · May 29, 2014

Sandroidfan said:
It doesn't seem like your example supports your arguments very well.

iPhone 4S has 1430mAh and GS2 has 1650mAh battery capacity. So GS2 has only 15% bigger battery but 50% larger screen area than iPhone 4S. Also Apple AP is fairly efficient chip. So GS2 is already at big disadvantage for battery from hardware standpoint. But GS2 battery life is not that worse than iPhone 4S, maybe within 25% difference.

Now today android got a lot better with JB, KK. Display like 5.2" FHD screen is 69% bigger area than 4" iPhone 5S screen along with much higher resolution, which is big disadvantage for androids battery. If OS are equally efficient, that should offset 2X battery size advantage a lot. But phones like G2, Note 3 are lasting almost twice longer than iPhone 5S. This tells me JB, KK are more or less on par with iOS7 in power management.

The iPhone is pushing more pixels than the S2.

It also uses LCD vs the OLED on the Samsung phone. The Samsung phone had to push less pixels and uses no power wherever black is displayed on the screen.

I think my comparison is fine.

The Note 3 last longer because the SoCs have improved and the battery is huge, but an iPhone with a 3200mAh batter would more than likely wipe the floor with it.

BTW, Black text is bad. I use a dark theme in my app.

Sandroidfan · May 29, 2014

AnonGuy said:
The iPhone is pushing more pixels than the S2.

It also uses LCD vs the OLED on the Samsung phone. The Samsung phone had to push less pixels and uses no power wherever black is displayed on the screen.

I think my comparison is fine.

The Note 3 last longer because the SoCs have improved and the battery is huge, but an iPhone with a 3200mAh batter would more than likely wipe the floor with it.

BTW, Black text is bad. I use a dark theme in my app.

Sorry I didn't mean to use black bold text above. I don't know why that happened but it was error.

If iPhone6 has, say 5.7" screen, 3200mAh battery would be making similar battery life as Note 3. If it has 4.7", battery size would be lower.

I was trying to point out that looking at only battery size to say one OS is more efficient than other is not correct. I don't see iOS being that much more efficient considering all things.

AnonGuy · May 29, 2014

Sandroidfan said:
Sorry I didn't mean to use black bold text above. I don't know why that happened but it was error.

If iPhone6 has, say 5.7" screen, 3200mAh battery would be making similar battery life as Note 3. If it has 4.7", battery size would be lower.

I was trying to point out that looking at only battery size to say one OS is more efficient than other is not correct. I don't see iOS being that much more efficient considering all things.

I didn't look only at battery size. I said that it can get much better longevity out of smaller size even when specs are pretty close. That has always been true, and continues to be so.

heycal · May 29, 2014

AnonGuy said:
The RAM certainly has performance implications.

3GB RAM simply allows you to never really have to worry about RAM on your device, while a 2GB device will still swap processes out more due to RAM Exhaustion in some instances. You're looking at a whole 1GB of RAM usable on the device over those devices.

A 2GB device usually only have about 1.7GB RAM usable to the system. A 3GB device will have about 2.7GB RAM Usable. This has clear implications in gaming (and even more on a device like this, if the games are eventually optimized for that screen resolution the assets it requires will be much larger than on a 1080p device) as well as multi-tasking some applications like web browsers which can use a lot of RAM with multiple tabs open.

Would it be accurate to say that a non-gamer, non-heavy photo or video or music guy, would never notice any performance difference between 2G and 3G of RAM?

El Presidente · May 29, 2014

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heycal said:
Would it be accurate to say that a non-gamer, non-heavy photo or video or music guy, would never notice any performance difference between 2G and 3G of RAM?

Absolutely. I'm a gaming, music listening, medium photo taking user and 2GB is fine for me.

mikedt · May 29, 2014

Steven58 said:
I voted...

I voted as well Steven.

Already bought my new phone for this year, last month. I've never actually owned an LG before.

heycal · May 29, 2014

El Presidente said:
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Absolutely. I'm a gaming, music listening, medium photo taking user and 2GB is fine for me.

Thanks. Good to know.

jackdubl · May 29, 2014

AnonGuy said:
Read the exchange. Your question makes literally no sense in response to that reply of mine you quoted.

I'm referring to phones that are easily hacked. Rooting and jailbreaking requires a security hole to exploit, which is why often root methods fail to work across OS Revisions. The security holes used get patched by developers.

A more secure device is a good thing for the vast majority of users. You don't need to drink kool-aid to come to that conclusion.

The internal storage is safe if it is decently encrypted on a securely locked device that isn't so easily exploited, yes.

My mistake. I thought your "closing exploits is good" point was referring to the so-called security hole being addressed by nerfing SD cards. That's the direction I was going, which is why my question makes no sense!

AnonGuy · May 29, 2014

jackdubl said:
My mistake. I thought your "closing exploits is good" point was referring to the so-called security hole being addressed by nerfing SD cards. That's the direction I was going, which is why my question makes no sense!

Yes I replied to both points in his post and a little dialog broke out about that specific part of my original reply.

Maine Coon · May 29, 2014

I am surprised by the number of the voters NOT getting it.

I think it is the best android phone ever - so far.

mikedt · May 29, 2014

Maine Coon said:
I am surprised by the number of the voters NOT getting it.

I think it is the best android phone ever - so far.

Oh I get it OK.

Uber fast >2GHz quad-core CPU: check
Uber high resolution large screen: check
Uber megapixel camera with glass optics: check
Dual-LED flash: check
SD upto 128GB: check
2G, 3G, 4G: check
Sound enhancements, e.g. Dolby: check
KitKat 4.4: check
2-3GB RAM and at least 16GB internal storage: check
NFC: check
DLNA and other multimedia goodies: check
Minimal bezel at the sides: check
Oblong and slightly rounded at the top and bottom: check
Extremely thin: check
Not water-resistant: check
Not fire-resistant: check

Thing is I see new phones all the time, especially ever since we started English Corners at the local China Unicom store.

Maine Coon · May 29, 2014

mikedt said:
Oh I get it OK.

Uber fast >2GHz quad-core CPU: check
Uber high resolution large screen: check
Uber megapixel camera with glass optics: check
Dual-LED flash: check
SD upto 128GB: check
2G, 3G, 4G: check
Sound enhancements, e.g. Dolby: check
KitKat 4.4: check
2-3GB RAM and at least 16GB internal storage: check
NFC: check
DLNA and other multimedia goodies: check
Minimal bezel at the sides: check
Oblong and slightly rounded at the top and bottom: check
Extremely thin: check
Not water-resistant: check
Not fire-resistant: check

Thing is I see new phones all the time, especially ever since we started English Corners at the local China Unicom store.

There WILL be better phones, no doubt.

Maybe they are just around the corner.

Then again, maybe not. :rolleyes:

Lack of the dust/waterproof is a significant minus. Oh well. Nobody is perfect..

rushmore · May 30, 2014

Maine Coon said:
I am surprised by the number of the voters NOT getting it.

I think it is the best android phone ever - so far.

It is not released yet (west) so no practical bearing yet to apparently weight a vote.

Added: Gets my vote if 3/32, but will do a vote write-in for my 32gb rooted S4 if not

Deleted User · May 30, 2014

I read all the specs on the G3, and then went out and got the G2! The G3 is just too big for me. The lines between cell phones, phablets, tablets, etc., are getting very blurry.

AnonGuy · May 30, 2014

mikedt said:
Uber megapixel camera with glass optics: check

The glass lens on the LG phones (Sapphire Glass, IIRC) flare exhibit quite a bit of flaring. I wonder if LG improved this. The G2 was especially bad at it.

I think the Lenses Nokia uses are quite a bit better. Does Ziess have some exclusive deal with Nokia, or do the others just use other lenses cause they are saving costs?

AnonGuy · May 30, 2014

grunt0300 said:
I read all the specs on the G3, and then went out and got the G2! The G3 is just too big for me. The lines between cell phones, phablets, tablets, etc., are getting very blurry.

I think the biggest issue this phone may have, especially in the US where a lot of people are using EDGE-type plans or getting their phones on contract, is the fact that the G2 is *almost as good* and will severely undercut the price of this phone on the same carrier.

I feel like they released this phone a bit too soon, given how good the G2 already is.

A lot of people will simply get the "more than good enough" G2 and save money on their bill (or spend less up front) and pass up the G3. Especially since that phone is still rather young (Released only 8 months ago?).

Granted, this is something all OEMs face, but HTC/Samsung/Apple wait a few months longer before they release upgrades (disregarding Samsung's variety to target different market segments).

Then again, those Prime Devices *are* rumored to be incoming, which would break that "trend."

Are you planning on getting the G3

Are you getting one?

Yep

Nope

Holding off to see if the M8/SGS5 Prime rumours are true

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