Root Bootloop od Death...

redjama · Jul 6, 2014

Bootlegger said:
I didn't delete any apps, I simply uninstalled them via an app from the Play Store that allows me to quickly restore them if need be. I know what apps I uninstalled and none were of importance and after I did that no errors/fatal/warnings appeared in Log Cat and or other logs but before I even uninstalled those apps, I kept seeing errors/warnings/fatal from only Play Store and Services.

Not everyone is made of money nor can we all just get up and throw down $200 on a phone every month or when a phone gets bricked/stolen. If you have been following the Volt threads, you will see there is no development so I can't just go and get all that good stuff like those with Nexus/Samsungs/etc...

Never tell me that it's cause the apps I deleted when it obviously wasn't, unless you have remote access to my device prior to the brick you can tell me how my phone was bricked but till then...you may not accuse me of brickin my own phone. I am also not the only one with a Volt who has been having issues, I understand that when someone throws up the blame game and especially on the all mighty Google, people will back them up and claim it wasn't them but they won't assist me.

Riddle me this, if it was bricked due to apps I uninstalled, why brick last night and not as soon as I removed those apps? That is the $1 Million question! If I were to uninstall System 32 from my computer...it would die right there not couple days later.

Everything was flawless and running even smoother until I woke up, turned my deice on, allowed the certain apps to fully complete boot process, went to Play Store to check apps for updates, and that is where the lag of all lag occurred and soft-reset...Bootloop of Death...Factory Reset...Bootloop of Death...repeat multiple times.

If it wasn't Google Play Services/Play Store and the other 3rd party apps, how did my fully functioning stable Volt become a brick within 3 minutes and the only thing I did was go to Play Store...I didn't access any of the 100+ apps I had installed first...I simply went to the Play Store, if that was to happen to you I think you would be quite skeptical about the Play Store/Play Services since they're always running in the background without intervention of the user.

I find it funny that people think that Google native apps can't brick devices as if they're perfectly coded. Also, don't treat me like I was born yesterday cause you wouldn't appreciate it either. You're a Guide and your behavior towards me is unacceptable.

Enough said...

I'm not defending google in any way shape or form. I believe there may a little more to the story that's not being said. I myself don't have the money to go and buy a phone every month hence the reason. I usually just leave the phone alone and only remove what I know can be 100% removed with no problems. And yes i have been following the thread on volt and honestly haven't seen many issues other then people screwing up the phone by rooting and removing apps there unsure of that can be removed. You have a post in another thread with about 25+ apps you removed. Just saying. Maybe retrace your steps and find out when you started getting errors

Bootlegger · Jul 6, 2014

redjama said:
I'm not defending google in any way shape or form. I believe there may be a little more to the story that's not being said. I myself don't have the money to go and buy a phone every month hence the reason. I usually just leave the phone alone and only remove what I know can be 100% removed with no problems. And yes i have been following the thread on volt and honestly haven't seen many issues other then people screwing up the phone by rooting and removing apps there unsure of that can be removed. You have a post in another thread with about 25+ apps you removed. Just saying. Maybe retrace your steps and find out when you started getting errors

If you are familiar with LG, you would know what apps are safe to remove and there are apps out there that tell you what is safe and what is critical...there is also this thing called Google...you can simply google the apks to figure out what their purpose is and if you truly need them...I also went onto XDA and was confirmed that the apps I removed are completely and utterly safe to uninstall with no fear of the SHTF. Also, if you don't care why post in the first place...when you post..that means you do CARE...most people who don't care will simply and utterly ignore the thread/posts altogether.

Why would I lie and what would I gain from lying on an Android forum, as far as I know...you aren't living with me so your speculations/assumptions are completely and utterly irrelevant. So, you have been following the threads, cool...you should know by now that there isn't development for the Volt yet.

Also, I will repeat it again and again...before I went to bed, I turned my device off, woke up, turned on my phone, allowed the apps to completely boot up, went straight to Play Store, lag of all lag, soft-reset, hard-reset, brick, and repeat till I gave up.

lunatic59 · Jul 6, 2014

First thing's first. Let's take a deep breath and step back for a moment (unless you are standing on the edge of cliff, then that's probably not a good idea.

) This is a complex and difficult to diagnose situation and everybody is just trying to help. Maybe not in the most diplomatic fashion, but intentions are good (I hope). Let's try and treat each other with respect. There is a zero tolerance for belittling and mockery here.

Everyone consider themselves reminded.

Bootlegger said:
Riddle me this, if it was bricked due to apps I uninstalled, why brick last night and not as soon as I removed those apps? That is the $1 Million question! If I were to uninstall System 32 from my computer...it would die right there not couple days later.

You have to understand that Android isn't a desktop OS. It's architecture is much different and if you try to analyze one paradigm using the rules from another you can easily come to conclusions that are off course. For example, Android will run the apps in the Dalvik cache, so even if you delete the apk. files, they can continue to run as if they are still installed util the device is rebooted or they are flushed from the cache. It's one of the reasons why wiping your caches is so important when changing rom's.

You are correct, that without access to your phone we are only making suggestions based on our own experiences, but our own experiences tell us that the play store or Google services do not brick devices unless that device has been changed in some way.

Bootlegger · Jul 6, 2014

lunatic59 said:
First thing's first. Let's take a deep breath and step back for a moment (unless you are standing on the edge of cliff, then that's probably not a good idea. ) This is a complex and difficult to diagnose situation and everybody is just trying to help. Maybe not in the most diplomatic fashion, but intentions are good (I hope). Let's try and treat each other with respect. There is a zero tolerance for belittling and mockery here.

Everyone consider themselves reminded.

You have to understand that Android isn't a desktop OS. It's architecture is much different and if you try to analyze one paradigm using the rules from another you can easily come to conclusions that are off course. For example, Android will run the apps in the Dalvik cache, so even if you delete the apk. files, they can continue to run as if they are still installed util the device is rebooted or they are flushed from the cache. It's one of the reasons why wiping your caches is so important when changing rom's.

You are correct, that without access to your phone we are only making suggestions based on our own experiences, but our own experiences tell us that the play store or Google services do not brick devices unless that device has been changed in some way.

I understand but when I install new apps, I always soft-restart my device so when I uninstalled all those apps...the phone booted up like normal and the logs stated everything was fine except for Google Play Services/Play Store but this was happening to me before I rooted and after I rooted while all other apps were peachy. What I don't understand here is the mystery behind a 3 minute or less brick by simply going to Play Store...now if I went into SuperSU and messed around and it bricked, I would be like Homer...DOH! That isn't what happened though, I was attempting to update some apps manually and the Installed apps section wouldn't load and was full of unstable lag so I restarted my phone and all was good, went back to Play Store and lagged all over again, pulled the battery out and held the power button down for a few seconds, booted up fine,went back to Play Store to try again since normally pullin the battery fixes lag issues and brick.

All the apps I uninstalled were safe and harmless to remove, I can understand when people read that so and so removed this app and that app that it could've been that but when I was checking the logs as soon as I uninstalled them and restarted and everything was in the green zone...I had no worries and everything was fine.

I also wasn't getting any pop up messages/errors as well, I am sticking to my gut and goin with Play Services/Play Store had a lot to do with my brickage until someone can piece together the logs which won't happen. I am not worried though cause I just recently brought my Volt out to the field and put a wax slug through it.

Will I get another LG Volt next month...most likely, will I root it...absolutely not till we figure out what is going on with LG/Play Services/Play Store...Yes it could've easily been the LG RCT but we won't know till more people fall victim.

Your best teacher is your last mistake!

redjama · Jul 6, 2014

lunatic59 said:
You have to understand that Android isn't a desktop OS. It's architecture is much different and if you try to analyze one paradigm using the rules from another you can easily come to conclusions that are off course. For example, Android will run the apps in the Dalvik cache, so even if you delete the apk. files, they can continue to run as if they are still installed util the device is rebooted or they are flushed from the cache. It's one of the reasons why wiping your caches is so important when changing rom's.

You are correct, that without access to your phone we are only making suggestions based on our own experiences, but our own experiences tell us that the play store or Google services do not brick devices unless that device has been changed in some way.

And that is all I was trying to say!! Been there done that, built my own custom ROM's, bricked my own device by removing things I thought I could after days of research on the "All mighty Google". I myself have a fair idea of what Im talking about. Apologies on my behalf if you misunderstood what I was saying.

mjhealy1978 · Jul 6, 2014

What is the LG RCT root check tool? Never seen it. I bought my Volt almost a week ago, rooted with towelroot 10minutes after purchasing &got rid of a substantial amount of apks. &No issues yet. Im worried about updates now after reading posts but I dunno!

ODGeek · Jul 6, 2014

As far as that goes, I'm on my 3rd Virgin Mobile Volt from Best Buy. The first one stopped recognizing the micro-SDHC card. The second one, the microphone stopped working. ALL were rooted devices, and ALL were exchanged by Best Buy with NO QUESTIONS ASKED. All were exchanged within a week of the original purchase.

Shabbypenguin · Jul 7, 2014

there is no magic OTA that is getting pushed to your device because you posted on a message forum. RCT is there to protect LG, just the same as their locked bootloaders. "PROTECT THEM?!??!" you say? Thats right, the logic is if by locking the bootloader it means less people will be flashing custom roms and causing issues for themselves, i cannot begin to tell you how many "HALP I FLAZZED [ZiPaLiGny ZOOM ZOOM EDITION!!!]" with all the same results of people being silly and flashing random crap to their phone because jerkwad #1 says it will paint kittens and save little old ladies. The theory is fairly sound enough, with the except that people still get root and still manage to break their phones doing crap to it, thats where RCT comes in. LG can boot the device up after flashing it stock and see if it was rooted, at that point they can notify you that you had altered your device and that a flashing of the stock firmware fixed it, thus clearly wasnt a hardware issue and the damage was self inflicted and can charge you accordingly for wasting their time. Its similar in nature to samsungs knox counter, its there for show and lets them know if they are going to be charging you.

You dont start rewiring your car the day after you drive it off teh lot and then claim it was like that after it shorts and starts a fire. by default your android phone CANNOT write to system, in fact it has become such a problem to prevent people to writing to system that google is blocking it in android L. its to protect users against teh worst enemy they could ever face, themselves. so since none of your apps by default can touch system, that means everything is altered on cache and /data (the two partitions that get wiped in a factory reset). so if you have a problem and a factory reset isnt clearing it its either hardware or something you did. However the odds are considerably stacked against you for it to be a hardware issue, the few models i have seen with emmc chip failures the biggets one was the SGS2 exynos based models and even that you had a 1 in 40,000 shot of having it randomly brick (and i mean actual brick, if your phone still boots to teh bootloader it isnt bricked)

now, i would highly suggest taking care to not remove certain apps, lg has a long history of using something called morningcall to double check that the system has the required files and if it fails that check it fails to boot, its embedded into the kernel which you guys cant touch due to a locked bootloader and all.

PlayfulGod · Jul 7, 2014

Google, LG, Boost, nor anyone/thing else did jack to your phone regardless of what you did, explained how to do etc. Its simply something YOU did to the device if you recall doing it or not.

Way to much paranoia going on in here. lol

lunatic59 · Jul 7, 2014

C'mon guys. Take it easy.

Obviously there's a lot of speculation and frustration. Remember it's only paranoia if everyone really *isn't* out to get you.

Bootlegger · Jul 7, 2014

Woah...there is absolutely no paranoia going on here.

Please lock this thread since people are deciding to simply derail my thread.

PlayfulGod · Jul 7, 2014

lunatic59 said:
C'mon guys. Take it easy.

Obviously there's a lot of speculation and frustration. Remember it's only paranoia if everyone really *isn't* out to get you.

sorry I might have been a tad too harsh...

Bootlegger said:
Woah...there is absolutely no paranoia going on here.

Please lock this thread since people are deciding to simply derail my thread.

removed all together since its so full of misinformation its not even funny.

Shabbypenguin · Jul 7, 2014

Bootlegger said:
Woah...there is absolutely no paranoia going on here.

Please lock this thread since people are deciding to simply derail my thread.

from you there isnt;

the majority of my post was to try and explain that you are incorrect in thinking that Google play services was what broke your phone and even going so much as to attack other users for saying it wasnt.

Unforgiven · Jul 7, 2014

Seems like there is only one way for this thread to go, and that is back around in a circle again. Before we end up here again I'm just going to close it down and do some minor cleaning.

In the words of a wise ~~guy~~moderator No Ivory-Billed Woodpeckers were harmed in the composition of this message.

Disagree, drop me a line.

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