Which phone support UMS?

mscheaf · Jul 1, 2014

mikedt said:
Another route? If you don't get an M7 which has already been suggested, you might have to go second hand then if can't find any new phones with UMS. Really because most no longer use FAT storage, because of its limitations. I know iPhones definitely don't do UMS. Windows Phone is probably MTP as well.

FAT limitations, HA! Have you tried using mtp on anything that isn't a windows pc? Cause UMS works on EVERYTHING

mikedt · Jul 1, 2014

mscheaf said:
FAT limitations, HA! Have you tried using mtp on anything that isn't a windows pc? Cause UMS works on EVERYTHING

Sure UMS works in everything, but you ever tried to get Windows (the most popular desktop OS) to mount, read and write a Linux EXT partition. You can, but you got to buy a $40 program to do it. And most modern Android devices their internal storage is formatted as EXT4. not FAT32.

FAT32 has a serious limitation, it can't hold files larger than 2GB. And now with things like 4K cameras, huge 3GB games, 1080P Blu-ray rips, etc.

John Bean · Jul 1, 2014

mscheaf said:
FAT limitations, HA! Have you tried using mtp on anything that isn't a windows pc? Cause UMS works on EVERYTHING

I use MTP on Windows, I use MTP on Linux. Works more reliably on Linux. Seriously.

I have no idea whether it works on a Mac (I've never used one) but MTP certainly isn't "Windows PC only" as you seem to be suggesting.

mikedt · Jul 1, 2014

John Bean said:
I use MTP on Windows, I use MTP on Linux. Works more reliably on Linux. Seriously.

I have no idea whether it works on a Mac (I've never used one) but MTP certainly isn't "Windows PC only" as you seem to be suggesting.

MTP works fine on a Mac, just install free tool from Google called Android File Transfer.

SulkyAndroid17 · Jul 2, 2014

John Bean said:
I use MTP on Windows, I use MTP on Linux. Works more reliably on Linux. Seriously.

I have no idea whether it works on a Mac (I've never used one) but MTP certainly isn't "Windows PC only" as you seem to be suggesting.

My experience with MTP on Linux hasn't been to great. It's not particularly stable for me on Linux Mint. Sometimes I have to continually reconnect until it decides to work. Also, Banshee music player has a glitch where if I try to connect the phone Banshee freezes and blocks 3 cores while it forever loops. My music is almost always playing so this can be annoying.

When it does work your given internal storage or sd card. But I can't write a damn thing to sd card. It'll lie, say its there, but actually drop the files into internal storage. I have to manually move all files from internal storage to sd using the phone.

For me, MTP is not more reliable on Linux. If it works for you, then great. But for some of us it's not all roses.

John Bean · Jul 2, 2014

I didn't say "it was all roses", I simply said it works more reliably for me on Linux than it does on Windows, the latter sometimes not even detecting the phone and requiring much messing with drivers to get it to work properly again.

If on Linux it doesn't work properly for "some of us" (you) then that's sad. But for some other "some of us" (me) it works rather well and without fuss.

SulkyAndroid17 · Jul 2, 2014

John Bean said:
I didn't say "it was all roses", I simply said it works more reliably for me on Linux than it does on Windows, the latter sometimes not even detecting the phone and requiring much messing with drivers to get it to work properly again.

If on Linux it doesn't work properly for "some of us" (you) then that's sad. But for some other "some of us" (me) it works rather well and without fuss.

Yeah, like I said. I believe the OP was trying to get a similar point across as well.

Nidstang · Jul 2, 2014

mscheaf said:
Not sure the 'why' matters but here it is: I want to be able to plug my phone into any of the 2 dozen audio devices that I own that use UMS (like EVERY audio device does). And no bluetooth isn't an option for most of them and the analog audio jack sucks.

mikedt said:
Modern USB audio devices should be implementing music over USB, which Android does support.

mscheaf said:
huh? How? Howe does android support music over usb?

mscheaf: Not positive, but I think this thread over at XDA is what mikedt is talking about. Might be of interest to you.

mscheaf · Jul 10, 2014

mikedt said:
MTP works fine on a Mac, just install free tool from Google called Android File Transfer.

Exactly. I have never once ever had to install 3rd party device drivers or software to use UMS. How is this progress? UMS works on just about anything with a usb port. So far I have found one device I won that MTP works on. A windows PC. None of the myriad of music players and stereos and other devices that support usb audio I own will support mtp. None. Not a single one.

mscheaf · Jul 10, 2014

Nidstang said:
mscheaf: Not positive, but I think this thread over at XDA is what mikedt is talking about. Might be of interest to you.

That's awesome. Too bad it's not available for my phone.

Nidstang · Jul 10, 2014

mscheaf said:
That's awesome. Too bad it's not available for my phone.

Yeah, it seems implementation has been pretty scatter shot. On the 2012 Droids it was apparently not active in Jelly Bean, but is active on KitKat, even though you would never know that from the release notes. Over at headfi there has been a thread going on for 2+ years and 300+ pages trying to figure out which handsets have USB audio and which don't.

Interestingly, Android L is supposed to have a number of audio improvements. At least the OS is headed in the right direction.

mscheaf · Aug 8, 2014

Also I would point out that MTP does NOT work for me at all. None of my computers will read it, windows xp, vista, 7 or 8. My mac won't read it. Nothing at all will recognize the phone under MTP. Nothing. Not one single device have I ever been able to get to work. UMS? EVERY SINGLE DEVICE WORKS. 100% of the time. Always. Period. End of story. MTP is a joke and is why I went back to Gingerbread and will NEVER upgrade until UMS is brought back. MTP is 100% pure unworking garbage.

mikedt · Aug 8, 2014

mscheaf said:
Also I would point out that MTP does NOT work for me at all. None of my computers will read it, windows xp, vista, 7 or 8. My mac won't read it. Nothing at all will recognize the phone under MTP. Nothing. Not one single device have I ever been able to get to work. UMS? EVERY SINGLE DEVICE WORKS. 100% of the time. Always. Period. End of story. MTP is a joke and is why I went back to Gingerbread and will NEVER upgrade until UMS is brought back. MTP is 100% pure unworking garbage.

Not if your UMS device is formatted as EXT4 they won't, not even the Mac, and Windows you got to buy a $40 program. If you got all these Windows computers that are not working with your MTP device, maybe it's a problem with the device?

Can stay with Gingerbread, as long as you can keep it going. My Galaxy S with Gingerbread broke a couple of years ago.

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