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my experience with KitKat on the 10 was disappointment. it essentially changed nothing other than all-white icons. if this is Google's plans for Nexii still in their support window they're doing a great job of making me avoid them. if they can't even support them consistently in the software and make lousy excuses, it is off-putting. i really hoped ART and transparent bars would happen, since right now they're obscuring 1/3 the screen at the top and bottom and apps have to shrink to accomodate it which makes the experience on the Note 10.1 far more appealing, and the Note doesn't have any additional bezel to accomodate the physical buttons, either.

then comes app support. for a device calling itself 'developer reference' the Nexus 10 is suddenly 'not compatible' with 95% of what's in Google Play. at least i can sideload any free app i download. paid apps, not so good. there was even a time the Nexus 7 was 'not compatible' with Google+. great job!
 
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Android "L" Preview Source Code Going Live In AOSP, Includes Support For Nexus 4, 5, 7 (2012+2013), And 10 [Update: It's Only Partial Source]

Not 100%, but the fact that they've been writing source and binaries for it is quite telling. Just because they didn't release a completed preview for it doesn't mean it wont' receive it. I believe that the reason they released complete previews for only the 5 and 7 are because those are the most current developer devices, and so by releasing those 2, they essentially cover the entire developer base to get the basic feedback they need.

The Qualcomm S4 is still alive and kicking and I think we're going to get L.
 
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Not really sure about the bad updates from Samsung. I have a Tab Plus that got updated from 3.1 to 4.0 to 4.1.2. And this was when it had already released the Tab 2 lineup.

Their product lines were completely different back then. Tab line is low end now. It was their higher end line back then. Tab Plus was before they even released a Note Tab.

Not comparable.
 
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The Fire HD and HDX are overpriced especially given the forked OS and locking you into Amazon.

Over $249 vs. The Tab 4 7's $169. You get a full fledged Android device and 4GB more storage than you'd get on the Fire HD. Also multi Window and many other features I find useful. So if I one day chose to do something other than read books, I can. Say, I can cast some movies to Chromecast. Can't do that on a Fire HD. Or perhaps download some YouTube videos and screen mirror them to my large TV? Can't do that on the Fire HD either. Why pay more to get less?

Fire HDX can mirror to TV. The hardware in those is so far beyond a Tab 4 it isn't even funny. Wrong tabs to bash, IMO.
 
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Android "L" Preview Source Code Going Live In AOSP, Includes Support For Nexus 4, 5, 7 (2012+2013), And 10 [Update: It's Only Partial Source]

Not 100%, but the fact that they've been writing source and binaries for it is quite telling. Just because they didn't release a completed preview for it doesn't mean it wont' receive it. I believe that the reason they released complete previews for only the 5 and 7 are because those are the most current developer devices, and so by releasing those 2, they essentially cover the entire developer base to get the basic feedback they need.

The Qualcomm S4 is still alive and kicking and I think we're going to get L.

Thanks for pointing that out. Hopefully this is the year that Google breaks their update trend.

the Nexus 10 is suddenly 'not compatible' with 95% of what's in Google Play.

All you do is make things up. I don't think you've ever made a factual post.
 
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the Fire HDX also costs triple the price of the Tab 3.

FYI if i am not mistaken, there is zero way to get the L Dev Preview on the 2012 Nexus 7 and Nexus 10. only the 5, 7 2013 and i think one other is supported, only data-enabled 7's seem supported as far as the 2012 unit goes. the 2012 wifi-only model and the Nexus 10 can't run the preview. i wanted to try it out but i still see Google omitting 90% of the good stuff out of it just like they did on the KitKat update. and that disturbs me. especially since rom hackers can do better than Google. and Google created the damn OS.

As far as the Nexus 10 goes, Google refused to give it a chance at launch. they have never even broadened app compatibility with it and probably consider it a failure or flop. most of what is in Google Play, especially games, run poorly or are listed as 'not compatible'. the Note 10.1 sports the same screen size and resolution and plays those games fine, and has none of the same compatibility issues the Nexus 10 has, so it's not the screen that's to blame. Essentially all KitKat was on anything other than a Nexus 5 was a version number. it looks exactly like Jelly Bean and i therefore call it Android 4.4.2 Jelly Bean. it has no ART, no GEL, no touchless controls, zero immersive mode (which would help with the dual nav bars showing in Youtube but no...) and zero transparent bars. all of them are ommitted and excused by Google with reasons only an Apple fan would believe. i even updated to 4.4.3 and 4.4.4 in hopes Google had decided to give even one of those missing things to us, but nope. still Jelly Bean with white status bars.

the lack of support for Nexus products still in their support window, and further fragmentation within the Nexus line (which was once unheard of but now is surprisingly accepted by Android fans these days, even the loss of the SD card, which is a good reason to have people hate on Apple but is somehow excusable and passable on a Nexus, go figure.) is what has invalidated the Nexus to me. i refuse to buy one anymore until Google gets their act together. the Nexus Promise is a lie. oh sure you get the latest version but that's pretty much it. the rest is pared down and feels like what you get when Apple gives you the latest iOS version on last generation's device and is missing features. i expected Google to be less like Apple.
 
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I am also going back to iPhone. Nothing works on Android. Everything crashes constantly. I can't listen to more than 1/2 a song on Spotify, I can't watch videos through Facebook that are longer than 30 seconds ("unknown error"), it's just a nightmare. I just want an OS that works. Android hasn't made one yet. I've bought both Galaxy S5 and Sony Xperia Z2 out-of-pocket, because I will not go on contract. They both had the exact same problems, so I know it's the OS, not the device. Now I will have to shell out another $700 for the new iPhone. $2,000+ on devices in the last 5 months.
 
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I am also going back to iPhone. Nothing works on Android. Everything crashes constantly. I can't listen to more than 1/2 a song on Spotify, I can't watch videos through Facebook that are longer than 30 seconds ("unknown error"), it's just a nightmare. I just want an OS that works. Android hasn't made one yet. I've bought both Galaxy S5 and Sony Xperia Z2 out-of-pocket, because I will not go on contract. They both had the exact same problems, so I know it's the OS, not the device. Now I will have to shell out another $700 for the new iPhone. $2,000+ on devices in the last 5 months.

This sounds more like a network/carrier issue than an android issue. I haven't seen many users report these issues before which would indicate something more local. While getting two dud devices is possible, it seems unlikely.
 
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Really? The Facebook video issue is all over Android Forums for many different devices. I also get many of the same problems when on WiFi.

Most non-Nexus devices have extra software layered on top of android that have shown to increase the possibility of cause issues with apps. Thus the issues you are experiencing might not be android related, but rather related to the Manufacturer's own custom kernel or software. Some people like the software because it gives them features not found in Android, others hate it because it adds bulk and unnecessary complexity. With locked bootloaders, the ability to flash AOSP based roms has become much more difficult. Rather than dropping 700 dollars on an iPhone, trying looking on Swappa or another reputable site to see if perhaps someone is willing to Trade a Nexus 5 for your current device (Unless you're on Verizon since the Nexus 5 doesn't work on that carrier).
 
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I think iPhones may be simpler and easier to use but you'll spend more on Apps and you will still have same problem with older devices. Apple customer services are excellent though I can't say the same for others.

I believe you can update a lot of Android devices with ROMs higher than you think though may not be official and you void any warranty.

Market Share:
11.7% Apple iOS
84.7% Google Android
 
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I mentioned that ART was not available on the Nexus 10. i bought the Nexus assuming i'd get updates and features so long as it's supported. if i needed to root and custom ROM the thing to get the benefits why did i get a Nexus again? i could just buy a Samsung and do that.

Seems Google is playing Apple with paring down features on older Nexus products even if they're still in their support period, and offering the best features as 'exclusive' to the newest product in the line. i find that disturbing since they didn't do that kind of crap until now. before when Nexus products within their support slot got say, Android 4.3, they all got every feature. now they're paring them down and offering lame excuses to justify it. just tell the truth and i'll have respect. but lie and assume everyone reading the excuse is an iSheep who'll believe anything, then i will only distance myself farther from Google.

The Nexus 10 was never given any love by Google. even today most of the things you'd expect to run well on the 10 are listed as 'not compatible with your device'. it's the most powerful tablet in their line! not buying it Play Store!

I paid $499 for the device. it has an excellent screen. but let's see:

1. no ART in KitKat,
2. No Immersive mode
3. no GEL (and sideloading it doesn't work very well and most things don't work)
4. no transparent bars
5. no new stock apps and everything stripped of what makes it KitKat except white icons up top
6. only 1/3 the apps/games from Play Store will install, and most that do look horrible (Real Racing 3 and GTA San Andreas to name two)

7. it's not the screen that's to blame, even though that's everybody's excuse, because the Galaxy Note 10.1 2014 edition has the exact same resolution and size, and all those games including those listed as 'not compatible' with the Nexus 10 work fine and even look good. so at least Samsung is outdoing Google. custom ROM Devs are out-innovating Google and even if Google says it 'can't be done' it somehow isn't an issue with ROM devs. so what's wrong with Google? they should fire their development team and hire those who don't have the word 'impossible' in their vocabulary.

I'll hold onto the 7 and 10 and see what they give us in the L upgrade, but my guess is that most of the L goodies will also be stripped out and given lame justifications for doing so. i am sure those with a Nexus 5 are happy though. they got everything. but the Nexus line was meant to get updates first, and every feature first before carriers and OEMs did. at least for 18 months.

I'm not even sure if L will be stuck in Dalvik on the Nexus 10. but it's true they're not supporting their Nexus line at all. so the point of owning one is moot. sure, your version number gets changed but you get *nothing*.
 
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I agree, it looks like Google screwed the pooch on the Nexus 10. You can tell they don't have it together with that device because they still list it in the Play Store despite it not being available for months now. It's like they don't even care enough to remove it.

I'm hoping the next Nexus device includes the new 700 MHz LTE band.
 
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I agree, it looks like Google screwed the pooch on the Nexus 10. You can tell they don't have it together with that device because they still list it in the Play Store despite it not being available for months now. It's like they don't even care enough to remove it.

I'm hoping the next Nexus device includes the new 700 MHz LTE band.

While the Nexus 10 has some issues, keep in mind that Nick is exaggerating in many cases, and outright fabricating things in others.
 
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It seems you're desiring to upgrade to keep up with a perceived deficiency. Ask yourself this before you upgrade - "Is there anything that my device does not currently do, that I want/need it to do, that a new device would do?" If the only answer you can come up with is "I need the latest version of Android," then you don't need to upgrade.

It's not that I desire an upgrade. For me it's almost a necessity. Every time I try to start an app on my tablet I get a pop-up that says that such-and-such app requires updated APK to continue.

I'm not sure what that means as I'm not a techie. But nothing is running. I rooted my tablet and that went well. Then I tried the ICS update for Toshiba that dalep has, but it soft bricked my tablet. After I got everything put back into working order, it worked until I connected to wi-fi. Ever since I connected to the internet all I get is that stupid pop-up.
 
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The update lag on Android phones is an issue.

The bare feature set of stock android is an issue.

People will choose what works best for them.

Personally with iOS 8 and a larger screen the iPhone is looking better than ever.

The Note 3 works well for me but it's unlikely that I will stick with Android going forward because quality does matter and the usability disparities are getting smoothed out on iOS.

It will be up to the OEMs to change that, cause Google is consistently slow in moving this platform forward by themselves.

It's about what you want, need, and are willing to sacrifice. It is not worth debating personal choices even if the basis is truly assinine.
 
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I have not had very many issues with any of my devices that was not fixable. The one main issue that I did have with my last phone was my fault not androids. I borked it. Android has had some issues which I expect from a fairly new OS. Both apple and microsoft have had their systems longer and have had more time to iron out stuff. I also think the os gets a lot of flack do to the oems that figit it for their purposes
 
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I only skimmed the responses due to limited time, so I apologize in advance if this has been covered already.

Google and Apple have two very different approaches to updates. Google separates apps, APIs, and hardware support into three different areas while Apple does all three at once. Let's take a look at how each one compares, and then we'll see just which devices really are outdated in terms of software support :)

Apps:

Google has been breaking out their core apps since shortly after Android launched. On the iPhone, you get your Safari changes with firmeware updates. On Android, you get your Chrome changes every 6-8 weeks like clockwork, independent of the firmware. Google has recently even broken out their launcher, non-Gmail email client, and their camera. These apps can be updated on several phones released from late 2009. You know what iPhone was available in late 2009? The iPhone 3Gs (the 4 came out June 2010). That model is on iOS 6.1.6. Support is dead.

Also note that OEMS like HTC, Samsung, and Motorola are also breaking out their apps independent of the firmware.

APIs:

Google has rolled most of their API support into Google Play Services, which updates silently on most devices in the background roughly every 6 weeks. This recently had support removed for Android 2.2, so it now only supports Android 2.3 devices and newer. This helps newer applications run on older devices. This coincides with largely Google's apps policy, though many of their apps still support Android 2.2. Some of the earlier devices still rocking Gingerbread are the Nexus One, HTC Desire, and Droid Incredible, all from early to mid 2010. So, Google Play Services supports devices as old as or older than the oldest iPhone on the current iOS (iPhone 4).

Hardware:

That leaves the core Android OS. These updates often bring user facing features that are hardware dependent, though not always. Recent changes that are surprisingly hardware dependent are ART (Android Runtime) and some APIs (OpenGL ES 3.0 and 3.1). The latter, paired with the Bluetooth LE and 4.0 changes in Android 4.3, were 100% useless on older hardware that didn't support them. But hey, some people want that latest version number even if it is useless. As for ART, it only works on hardware if the SOC vendor (Qualcomm, Nvidia, Intel, TI, Samsung, etc.) has certified their device to run it - partly why the Nexus 10 on KitKat couldn't run it on Android 4.4's developer options.

Now, some changes aren't hardware dependent, such as Google's memory optimizations (KitKat) or new design language (L-release). But here's the funny thing about that. The majority of the material design changes will be in the individual apps (to include Google's Now Launcher), which when fully updated to use material design, will still work on older handsets. There are certain minor details that will be unique to the L-release, but otherwise you're fine. Also, Google has stated that their biggest change to their memory usage in KitKat was actually them reducing the footprint of their own applications and encouraging other developers to do so as well. On a Nexus or GPE device with no 3rd party apps (factory reset), this meant roughly 75-100MB less memory consumed on boot due mainly to smaller usage by Google's stock applications. These benefits also help non-KitKat devices.

Conclusion:

If you're on iOS, you need the latest firmware or you'll find that your device is quickly being abandoned by developers. If you're on Android, the latest OS only matters if you have the latest hardware. Yes, some vendors have been negligent in pushing updates that should otherwise have been pushed.

It seems you're desiring to upgrade to keep up with a perceived deficiency. Ask yourself this before you upgrade - "Is there anything that my device does not currently do, that I want/need it to do, that a new device would do?" If the only answer you can come up with is "I need the latest version of Android," then you don't need to upgrade.

Kudos for an excellent post!

Having been heavily involved in Android and iOS platforms concurrently since their respective beginnings, I've enjoyed the experience. You've explained the differences quite nicely, accurately and succinctly. After owning, using, and studying each platforms every OS upgrade and related annual handset upgrades, I've found not surprisingly Apple is the priciest, has a clever well planned obsolescence path designed to meet their financial goals, all in a shorter amount of time than the Android platform.

Conversely due to the fact that Android involves Google managing the OS and a wide variety of others making handsets, even working closely with Google, there's no lock in like there is with Apple. As a result the service life of your average flagship Android is indeed longer than iOS. Therefore ones out of pocket annual expense is less. ROI with Android is superior, as is functionally and productivity based on what Androids can do that iOS cannot. That's not a knock on Apple, since simple and somewhat limited has it's place.

At the end of the day it's all about personal preferences and choices. Thanks to Google's significant progress with Android, and Apple keeping the iPhone rather basic, there's never been a better time to find what suits you.
 
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Still proves that which Google never tried. That it is indeed possible to run the new OS on the GNex. Even though Google claimed 'it can't be done'. Again, laziness. Same goes for their crap excuse for lack of transparent bars on the Nexus 10, even though custom ROMs proved the 'performance issues' lie as a lie. The Nexus 10 is the most powerful in the Nexus line. Are we seriously expected to buy their excuse? They should fire their developers and get some with more experience.

Their excuse for not having an SD card in the Nexus and Motorola line is also crap. Everybody knows they are selling their cloud services and forcing you to buy the higher capacities at a higher price, same as Apple. If they would just tell the truth I'd have far more respect for Google.

Old news now, but lets be real here, the drivers on the GNex are hacked to hell and back. There were big bugs for quite some time and its actually running the old kernel it had in Jelly Bean (Linux 3.0 vs 3.8). The fact that its mostly stable and usable says more about the craftiness of the CM team then anything.

Could Google do it? Probably. Would it be worth their time to convince TI to get proper drivers? Probably not. At least, that's the way they felt.
 
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