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rushmore · Sep 6, 2014

Those are not cpu oriented. I will stick with Anandtech and my undergrad in computer electronics

Morphiend · Sep 6, 2014

i got the note 2 at launch and loved it and didn't think anything could beat it but i wound up getting the note 3 at launch and it made the note2 seem so slow. little things like being able to use the s-pen on the capacitive buttons or the pen window function made it seem worth it.

just watching the various youtube videos from ifa sweet and damn the note 4 looks so smooth (Even with touchwiz and animation scale most likely not turned down/off). i'm 80% sure i'll bite the bullet and get the note 4 on launch and am sure that i'll love every second of it.

rushmore · Sep 6, 2014

I think performance and battery life will be almost exactly the same as the Note 3 and would not even think about upgrading at full price if had the Note 3.

icemanchilled · Sep 7, 2014

rushmore said:
Those are not cpu oriented. I will stick with Anandtech and my undergrad in computer electronics

That particular test is CPU orientated, if you want to continue reading results from benchmarks that have nothing to do real world performance then please continue reading Anandtech.

Real applications do NOT behave like synthetic benchmarks.

Teegunn · Sep 7, 2014

rushmore said:
I think performance and battery life will be almost exactly the same as the Note 3 and would not even think about upgrading at full price if had the Note 3.

I think the Note 4 will probably be better, even with pushing more pixels. But until we have real world use to compare, we are just guessing.

jaj324 · Sep 7, 2014

rushmore said:
I think performance and battery life will be almost exactly the same as the Note 3 and would not even think about upgrading at full price if had the Note 3.

You may be right about the battery life but the 805 will kill the 800 even with more pix to push.

Whenever I read someone state that this or any other upgrade isn't worth it I think "yeah, they just don't have the cash to get the latest gear so they're convincing themselves it's not worth it". I'm probably right most of the time.

drexappeal · Sep 7, 2014

jaj324 said:
You may be right about the battery life but the 805 will kill the 800 even with more pix to push.

Whenever I read someone state that this or any other upgrade isn't worth it I think "yeah, they just don't have the cash to get the latest gear so they're convincing themselves it's not worth it". I'm probably right most of the time.

Not right in my case... Lol... I have the cash to upgrade anytime I want, but not this time around, cuz there really isn't much need considering how good the Note 3 still is.

Your theory might hold water in some circumstances, but not every reason comes down to cost.

rushmore · Sep 7, 2014

jaj324 said:
You may be right about the battery life but the 805 will kill the 800 even with more pix to push.

Whenever I read someone state that this or any other upgrade isn't worth it I think "yeah, they just don't have the cash to get the latest gear so they're convincing themselves it's not worth it". I'm probably right most of the time.

That seems presumptuous....... I can afford it, but choose not to since does not seem an $800 jump from the S4 and even less of a jump from the Note 3.

I am not device shy, as my profile shows. Typing on a 128gb Air right now

mak916 · Sep 8, 2014

drexappeal said:
Not right in my case... Lol... I have the cash to upgrade anytime I want, but not this time around, cuz there really isn't much need considering how good the Note 3 still is.

Your theory might hold water in some circumstances, but not every reason comes down to cost.

I agree with everything you said, but for Sprint customers there will be one major difference, and that is Spark. The Note 3 doesn't have it, but the Note 4 will have it. This to me would be worth the money. Of course if you don't live in a Spark area it might not matter much. But for me they are testing LTE here, so I'm hoping that Spark will be here soon.

drexappeal · Sep 8, 2014

mak916 said:
I agree with everything you said, but for Sprint customers there will be one major difference, and that is Spark. The Note 3 doesn't have it, but the Note 4 will have it. This to me would be worth the money. Of course if you don't live in a Spark area it might not matter much. But for me they are testing LTE here, so I'm hoping that Spark will be here soon.

Lol... I am a Sprint Customer and spark is so sporadic in LA, not a factor

mak916 · Sep 8, 2014

E=drexappeal;6711921]Lol... I am a Sprint Customer and spark is so sporadic in LA, not a factor[/QUOTE]

Sporadic is right. Lol. But I'm thinking in terms of future proofing. I look at a device and ask myself, do I see myself with this phone for two years? With Sprint coming out with Spark, I could not see myself with a device that didn't have it for two years. This is why I waited for the Note 4. My other line had an upgrade I could have used, but I didn't think it was worth it. If the Note 3 had Spark, I definitely would have gotten it.

drexappeal · Sep 8, 2014

mak916 said:
Sporadic is right. Lol. But I'm thinking in terms of future proofing. I look at a device and ask myself, do I see myself with this phone for two years? With Sprint coming out with Spark, I could not see myself with a device that didn't have it for two years. This is why I waited for the Note 4. My other line had an upgrade I could have used, but I didn't think it was worth it. If the Note 3 had Spark, I definitely would have gotten it.

I totally get that. That is the same reason I laughed at the Note 3 not having Spark radios last year. We are almost at the 1 year mark, yet I still have yet to experience consistent spark connectivity. For the same reason it didn't bother me last year, I have no problem surviving without it for another year. Then, when the folding Note comes out next year, that will without a doubt have spark and I will be set.

I remember tons of people being upset about the Note 3 last year, but it's that same crowd I could see upgrading every year anyway.

rushmore · Sep 8, 2014

icemanchilled said:
That particular test is CPU orientated, if you want to continue reading results from benchmarks that have nothing to do real world performance then please continue reading Anandtech.

Real applications do NOT behave like synthetic benchmarks.

So which reflects reality more: benchmarks or actual apps? Benchmark algorithms and parameters are SYNTHETIC.

This has gotten real silly. Enjoy your super computer 805.

grumpy · Sep 9, 2014

I am going to wait to hear how the phone works. If it drops calls like my Note 3 I will find a different phone.

zipred · Sep 9, 2014

grumpy said:
I am going to wait to hear how the phone works. If it drops calls like my Note 3 I will find a different phone.

It's highly likely you have network issues or a bad phone.

Of the approx forty flagship smartphones I've had over the years, my Note 3 gets the best clearest connectivity, and produces clear warm voice quality.

Plenty of volume and clarity that in some cases has caused those I've called to ask if I was on a land line. The next best model I have when it comes to calls is my Nexus 5.

grumpy · Sep 10, 2014

zipred said:
It's highly likely you have network issues or a bad phone.

Of the approx forty flagship smartphones I've had over the years, my Note 3 gets the best clearest connectivity, and produces clear warm voice quality.

Plenty of volume and clarity that in some cases has caused those I've called to ask if I was on a land line. The next best model I have when it comes to calls is my Nexus 5.

I am on my 3rd Note 3 and since day 1 I said the antennas sucked. Other then that I love all it does.

AnonGuy · Sep 10, 2014

zipred said:
It's highly likely you have network issues or a bad phone.

Of the approx forty flagship smartphones I've had over the years, my Note 3 gets the best clearest connectivity, and produces clear warm voice quality.

Plenty of volume and clarity that in some cases has caused those I've called to ask if I was on a land line. The next best model I have when it comes to calls is my Nexus 5.

The Note 3 does have weak antennas compared to the Droid Maxx here. It isn't even a comparison, that phone is so superior to it.

Also the phone does seem to have issues switching to and from LTE. Many times I have to reboot my phone because it failed to connect to LTE when both Galaxy S4 and Droid Maxx on Verizon do not exhibit that issue.

You can look in the settings and see that those phones are getting better reception in lower reception areas, as well.

rushmore · Sep 10, 2014

.......... "Thanks" guys for giving me doubts on a Note 3 purchase.

Anybody have the S4 and then a Note 3? How does the signal compare?

Considering every Samsung device since at least the N2, S3 has barely had adequate signal reception, it seems the N4 could follow the same trend and probably not be any better.

zipred · Sep 10, 2014

mikedt said:
Donkey Kong runs exactly the same on every smart-phone I've ever had.

That's because the Donkey is smart and has a very positive attitude...

Sandroidfan · Sep 10, 2014

zipred said:
It's highly likely you have network issues or a bad phone.

Of the approx forty flagship smartphones I've had over the years, my Note 3 gets the best clearest connectivity, and produces clear warm voice quality.

Plenty of volume and clarity that in some cases has caused those I've called to ask if I was on a land line. The next best model I have when it comes to calls is my Nexus 5.

I think that's because you are on at&t. Most folks complaining about reception on samsung phones are on verizon. S5 on at&t has great reception even rivaling Moto X.

Not sure why, but samsung often seems to do poor radio engineering on CDMA phones like Verizon though it's good to decent on GSM phones. Note 2 was very good reception phone on verizon but Note 3 got worse.

AnonGuy · Sep 10, 2014

Sandroidfan said:
I think that's because you are on at&t. Most folks complaining about reception on samsung phones are on verizon. S5 on at&t has great reception even rivaling Moto X.

Not sure why, but samsung often seems to do poor radio engineering on CDMA phones like Verizon though it's good to decent on GSM phones. Note 2 was very good reception phone on verizon but Note 3 got worse.

The Verizon Galaxy Note 3 is a GSM Device. It's an Unlocked Global CDMA+GSM+LTE device.

It is possible that Samsung tunes the Radios down in their Verizon Phones to maximize battery life. Since, unlike an AT&T or T-Mobile device, the phone requires two radios for Simultaneous Voice & Data.

If they do that, than that can explain the disparity in signal quality and/or strength.

rushmore · Sep 10, 2014

Sadly I think the CDMA/battery management theory has strong logic behind it. Boo!

Sandroidfan · Sep 10, 2014

AnonGuy said:
The Verizon Galaxy Note 3 is a GSM Device. It's an Unlocked Global CDMA+GSM+LTE device.

It is possible that Samsung tunes the Radios down in their Verizon Phones to maximize battery life. Since, unlike an AT&T or T-Mobile device, the phone requires two radios for Simultaneous Voice & Data.

If they do that, than that can explain the disparity in signal quality and/or strength.

True, I didn't say hardware is different between GSM and Verizon version.

I think you have point that it might be radio software setting for samsung CDMA phone optimized for battery. Sometimes I noticed android updates on samsung verizon phone cripples radio performance. But somehow Moto and HTC rarely screws up the CDMA radio with software updates. Maybe samsung has more priority, engineering resource on GSM phones as it's their main seller globally.

rivera02 · Sep 10, 2014

The kitkat update for the vzw note 3 really degraded the voice and data reception. Take a minute to visit the Verizon community forums and you'll see that just about every new thread is a complaint about reception since the update. I know my phone will drop to 1x or no coverage at all in places where it used to maintain a 1 or 2 bar 4g connection.
I agree that the note 2 was a reception monster, so I wasn't happy that the n3 wasn't quite as strong on launch day, but it was still average. Now, my old s3 that my wife is still using puts it to shame (she can talk and text away in our new house where my note can't do either.)

chong67 · Sep 11, 2014

Thread says: Its out and no more rumors.

Well, we all got nothing to show for and not until 5 weeks later. Its a normal norm for Samsung. Even their new TV release is like that, few months later.

And iphone 6 will be here next week, but it is using 2012 technology. Go check out their specs. LOL

I wish I can do something about I want it NOW, but I cant n its stretching my balls a bit. :-(

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