G2 or iphone 6?

heycal · Oct 28, 2014

PattiCakeUS said:
Nevah!

I was going to reply & quote all the posts that are my reasons for preferring Android over iphone, but there were too many!

Generally speaking, iphones are a one-size-fits-all, while Android lets you customize the phone to look and act almost completely to your personal preferences. I have the same phone as many other people but all of our phones look different & behave differently depending on what apps & customizations we have. If you like being able to set your phone up for YOU, go with Android, but you also have to be willing to take the time to educate yourself on forums like this, as well as look for the apps that will meet your needs.

If you don't like customizing a phone & want to just use what's given to you with very little in the way of options, go with an iphone. I equate this to everyone being told they're being issued uniforms - you can have any size & color you like as long as it's a size XL in black.

And FYI - sure there are some "glitchy" apps but unless you're installing really weird apps, most won't have any problems.

Except with iphone, you know the uniform is well made, the threads won't fray, and there won't be other weird irregularities.

I'm using the G2 now for about a week. 7 days left to decide if I want to keep it. I love a lot of things about this phone -- some really amazing features and efficiencies that blow iphone away.

But it's glitchy and unpredictable, with some strange occurances, and I've had many trials and tribulations along with the wonderful good things. And unfortunately, I can't seem to get answers or find solutions for the various things I'm struggling with in this forum or online elsewhere. That spooks me. I tried calling LG for one thing, and Verizon for another, and those folks are basically looking in manuals as I talk to them and don't seem to have genuine knowledge of the devices.

PattiCakeUS · Oct 28, 2014

My G2 is "well made, the threads won't fray, and there aren't any weird irregularities". It doesn't do anything weird & it isn't glitchy & unpredictable, & I use a ton of apps to make my phone work the way I want it to. I think it's just possible that you're better suited for an iphone than an Android phone. Then you can go into an Apple store & ask all your questions to find out how to make that phone work best for you.

Good luck!

heycal · Oct 29, 2014

PattiCakeUS said:
My G2 is "well made, the threads won't fray, and there aren't any weird irregularities". It doesn't do anything weird & it isn't glitchy & unpredictable, & I use a ton of apps to make my phone work the way I want it to. I think it's just possible that you're better suited for an iphone than an Android phone. Then you can go into an Apple store & ask all your questions to find out how to make that phone work best for you.

Good luck!

Well, my personality is about 50% Android, 50% iphone, so therein the problem lies! But I hardly think I'm alone in finding Androids more glitchy and less reliable than iphone. I think that's pretty accepted, don't you think? I had zero problems in 5 months of iphone use -- and certainly never had a need to go to the Apple store to ask any questions. It was all pretty simple. But I've had a dozen problems in one week of Android use. My LG Lucid before this wasn't much better.

Problem is, iPhone's got about a dozen annoying and uttterly stupid design flaws to go with that reliability, so it's a tough trade off...

AMOCO · Oct 29, 2014

I'll stick with my G2,Never been or ever will be a Crapple fan.So no IP6.

heycal · Oct 29, 2014

AMOCO said:
I'll stick with my G2,Never been or ever will be a Crapple fan.So no IP6.

I played with one an hour ago that an acquaintance had just bought. Though smaller in the hand, which theoretically I would want, it didn't necessarily feel as comfortable in the hand as G2. Also, their lame version of a 'back' button was way up high in the corner, and too high for me to reach with my thumb (I'm lefty) comfortably.

bberryhill0 · Oct 29, 2014

I have to reboot my G2 occasionally because it freaks out but it's rooted, running G2 Xposed, modified screen resolution, GO Launcher, several keyboards, over 100 apps. Facebook seems to be the least stable app but Yahoo Mail has problems too.

lunatic59 · Oct 29, 2014

heycal said:
But I hardly think I'm alone in finding Androids more glitchy and less reliable than iphone. I think that's pretty accepted, don't you think?

That's a misconception held widely in the iOS community repeated at every opportunity to find fault with the competition.

I had zero problems in 5 months of iphone use -- and certainly never had a need to go to the Apple store to ask any questions. It was all pretty simple.

That's kind of the point of the iPhone. Everyone does the same thing in the same ways and if it can't do it, the option to try isn't permitted. For a large segment of the population, this works just fine.

But I've had a dozen problems in one week of Android use. My LG Lucid before this wasn't much better.

I've read through your other threads and what i think we've got here is a little miscommunication. I want to state unequivocally that this is not a criticism. You are welcome to express your opinions as passionately as you wish (within the guidelines of AF posting rules

), but much of what you refer to as problems, glitches and unreliability is the need to configure your phone to suit your specific needs rather than have it come pre-configured out of the box. That's common among people who jump between platforms.

It's human nature to respond to the familiar and resist change. "OS-A" does "X" this way ... when I try to do "X" on "OS-B" it's not the same, therefore "OS-B" is broken or glitchy. There are underlying philosophies at work behind both iOS and Android that permeate the development community and the interface itself. This may be the primary reason why one person is drawn to one or the other and they may not even understand why.

Here are a couple of things to think about.

iOS is about a user experience where everything must appear to "just work." If iOS features to not live up to Apple's ideology they are not released to the consumer until it does. And if anything goes wrong with iOS, the consumer must be shielded as much as possible from any problem. When an app crashes on iOS, the user sees nothing. It just drops back to the home screen (or whatever Apple calls it). Many times users think the accidentally hit the wrong button without ever realizing something went wrong. It might surprise you to know the following.

PC Magazine said:
Google's KitKat (4.4), Jelly Bean (4.3), and Ice Cream Sandwich (4.0) have a tendency to crash about 0.7 percent of the time, while apps running on Gingerbread (Android 2.3) end in an error 1.7 percent of the time.
Apple, meanwhile, sees the fewest crashes on iOS 7.1, which launched less than three weeks ago. Its predecessors don't fare as well

heycal · Oct 29, 2014

lunatic59 said:
I've read through your other threads and what i think we've got here is a little miscommunication. I want to state unequivocally that this is not a criticism. You are welcome to express your opinions as passionately as you wish (within the guidelines of AF posting rules ), but much of what you refer to as problems, glitches and unreliability is the need to configure your phone to suit your specific needs rather than have it come pre-configured out of the box

False. They are glitches and problems.

Here are just some of the things that have happened since I'v had this phone:

1) The wallpaper has reverted from the one I choose to default wallpaper at least 3 times for no apparent reason.

2) A similar thing has happened with font size on display. I set it to large, and about five times now, it's reverted to the default medium for no apparent reason.

3) My handcent apps has had several glitches itself. The last one, yesterday, had one of my contact's pictures mysteriously displayed as the background of a text message pop-up all of a sudden. Wasn't even a text from that contact.

4) The quiet mode button was very glitchy for a day or so. Wouldn't go from on to off when pressed, or vice versa. Took many times of pressing it. Since cleared up -- for unknown reasons. (And I won't even get into the knock knock problem, regardless of how perfectly you execute it it in just the right way and place on the phone. It's simply not very reliable).

5) The Amazon kindle app has "closed unexpectantly" half a dozen times s o far.

Do you need me to go on? And or do you want to just tell me how all these things are just "configured" wrong by me?

IOS working better is hardly a myth perpuated by the IOS community. It's been born out by millions of people experiences -- including most importanly, mine. I don't mind some customization and configuration. That's why I got this phone. To customize things and set it up to my liking. But I do want things to work as they are supposed to.

There a lot of things to like about Android over IOS. Reliability and dependability is not one of them.

lunatic59 · Oct 29, 2014

heycal said:
False. They are glitches and problems.

Here are just some of the things that have happened since I'v had this phone:

1) The wallpaper has reverted ....

2) I set it to large, and about five times now, it's reverted to the default medium ....

3) My handcent apps ....

4) The quiet mode button ... the knock knock problem...

5) The Amazon kindle app has "closed unexpectantly" half a dozen times so far.

Do you need me to go on? And or do you want to just tell me how all these things are just "configured" wrong by me?

The comment about configuration was more in relation to the thread on notifications. These items you list certainly aren't settings. My apologies for being so broad in my observations.

Items #1 and #2 tell me that a configuration file is not being saves and/or read properly. #3 could possibly be the same issue or it could be a bug in the app. I haven't used handcent for ages so I'm not familiar with the latest versions. I don't know what #4 is either. #5 hmmm.

As I've said, Android lets the user know if there's a problem while iOS hides it from them. These problems as described I don't think are widespread or indicative of an Android shortcoming. This could be a problem with a corrupted file system or failing memory ... or it could be a problem with the LG launcher. Unless there are others reporting the same problems, this has to be specific to your phone. Try a different launcher like Nova or Apex and see if the problems go away.

IOS working better is hardly a myth perpetuated by the IOS community. It's been born out by millions of people experiences -- including most importantly, mine. I don't mind some customization and configuration. That's why I got this phone. To customize things and set it up to my liking. But I do want things to work as they are supposed to.

There a lot of things to like about Android over IOS. Reliability and dependability is not one of them.

In all fairness, I did say misconception, not myth. What I meant was not that Android was as glitch-free as iOS, but that iOS is as glitchy as Android. The technical numbers and Apple support forums bear this out. As to the millions of peoples' experiences, of course, but that is by design and speaks to the differing underlying design philosophies of each platform. The truth is that for every iPhone user there are 5.3 Android users with the vast majority having a positive user experience on both platforms.

heycal · Oct 29, 2014

Turns out the notification issue I was having can't be solved on Verizon phones, according to some of the guys.

lunatic59 said:
Items #1 and #2 tell me that a configuration file is not being saves and/or read properly. #3 could possibly be the same issue or it could be a bug in the app.

Perhaps. These things would be less troubling if they reverted or happened immediately. But I'll set something like display size and it will be fine for a day or so, then revert inexplicably at some point. I much prefer problems that that happen predictably rather than unpredictably

lunatic59 said:
or it could be a problem with the LG launcher. Unless there are others reporting the same problems, this has to be specific to your phone. Try a different launcher like Nova or Apex and see if the problems go away.

Well, I'm not sure even sure what a 'launcher' is, but if I have to try a different one than the one the phone came with to fix some bugs, that alone is troubling.

Latest issue for me is overnight battery drain. I've had a few different nights where the phone dropped from 100% to close to 85% while I was sleeping and no known activity was taking place.

Do you think my issues are worth trying get a different unit?

lunatic59 said:
In all fairness, I did say misconception, not myth. What I meant was not that Android was as glitch-free as iOS, but that iOS is as glitchy as Android. The technical numbers and Apple support forums bear this out. As to the millions of peoples' experiences, of course, but that is by design and speaks to the differing underlying design philosophies of each platform. The truth is that for every iPhone user there are 5.3 Android users with the vast majority having a positive user experience on both platforms.

Maybe there is something to the fact that IOS hides their problems, but I don't believe that accounts for most the differences in user experience. And when I look through the threads on Iphone forums versus Android forums for people reporting problems, it seems there are more problems, and more glitches, with the Androids. And for me personally, there has definitely been more problems with android. If Apple hid them, they sure did a good job of it becuase they didn't bother me in the least.

I want to make this phone work because there are so many great things about it, but it's battling me!

MLSS · Oct 29, 2014

Have you tried factory reseting your phone?

I have a 5s that I use for work and it has problems weekly. It lags, and freezes, I don't get notifications sometimes.....

I've never had an issue with my Moto G. It is smooth as butter, battery life is great. My stepson has a G2 and he has never experienced any of the issues you are having. He is on that phone all day every day and it runs great... (he's 16)
My wife has a 5s that she uses as her daily driver (everyday phone) and she has never had an issue. The first 5s she got from AT&T was a mess. It had so many issues.

Android is ran on many different brands of phones, with different skins over top of the OS, so their will be some glitches from time to time.......

IPhone has their issues as well, the difference is that is closed source and ios is made for iPhone only.

I honestly think that if you reset your device you won't have any issues.
As for the battery drain issue. Have you downloaded any new apps around the time it started happening? Receive a firmware or OS update? Those are usually the culprit with battery drain and easily fixed.

heycal · Oct 29, 2014

MLSS said:
I honestly think that if you reset your device you won't have any issues.
As for the battery drain issue. Have you downloaded any new apps around the time it started happening? Receive a firmware or OS update? Those are usually the culprit with battery drain and easily fixed.

Do a whole factory reset, or just a re-boot? Factory reset means everything's gone and I rebuild? Happy to do that if you think it will help, and help with the battery issues. I can't think of any updates or anything I've downloaded that would account for those problems.

I guess my options right now are:

1) Do a factory reset.

2) go to Verizon store and have them either look at it and fix something they discover, or give me a new unit.

3) Switch to another phone all together.

Any other options I'm not considering?

5 days left during my trial period, so I need to act fast.

bberryhill0 · Oct 29, 2014

Do a factory reset. That is the first thing Verizon will do to try to fix your problems so you should just do it yourself.

AMOCO · Oct 29, 2014

I would start with a factory reset and if you still have problems,I would take it back to Verizon.
Also I've never have had any issues with my G2.

lunatic59 · Oct 29, 2014

heycal said:
Turns out the notification issue I was having can't be solved on Verizon phones, according to some of the guys.

That's an LG thing and not an Android thing. Sometimes these manufacturers in an effort to differentiate themselves from the competition will bake things into their firmware that just turns out to be a total PITA. It's one of the reasons why I prefer either Nexus phones or AOSP roms. I try to keep my OS as vanilla as possible. I do agree that people shouldn't have to hack their devices to get them to work the way they want. One day ... hopefully.

Perhaps. These things would be less troubling if they reverted or happened immediately. But I'll set something like display size and it will be fine for a day or so, then revert inexplicably at some point. I much prefer problems that that happen predictably rather than unpredictably

These are definitely the hardest to troubleshoot.

Well, I'm not sure even sure what a 'launcher' is, but if I have to try a different one than the one the phone came with to fix some bugs, that alone is troubling.

The launcher is pretty much the interface of the phone. It controls the look and function home screens and the app drawer. The fact that you can replace them is a strength, IMO, but many don't know why they'd do that until they do and then a who other world of Android opens to them. Pretty soon you'll be rooting and flashing.

Latest issue for me is overnight battery drain. I've had a few different nights where the phone dropped from 100% to close to 85% while I was sleeping and no known activity was taking place.

Do you think my issues are worth trying get a different unit?

A lot of these issues with battery drain will follow updating something either in the system or an app that syncs and it turns on the radios and won't let them power down so all of a sudden you see unusual power draining. It also happens when a cell tower in your area goes down and the phone is constantly switching between weaker signals. Clearing the cache files many times can resolve this issue.

[Maybe there is something to the fact that IOS hides their problems, but I don't believe that accounts for most the differences in user experience. And when I look through the threads on Iphone forums versus Android forums for people reporting problems, it seems there are more problems, and more glitches, with the Androids. And for me personally, there has definitely been more problems with android. If Apple hid them, they sure did a good job of it because they didn't bother me in the least.

I want to make this phone work because there are so many great things about it, but it's battling me!

To be fair there are 5x as many Android users over an order of magnitude of device varieties. You are going to see more issues on support forums, especially when users start modifying devices in ways manufacturers never intended.

heycal said:
Do a whole factory reset, or just a re-boot? Factory reset means everything's gone and I rebuild? Happy to do that if you think it will help, and help with the battery issues. I can't think of any updates or anything I've downloaded that would account for those problems.

If you've applied any system updates, a factory reset will not undo them. What a reset does is clear the user data, including apps and accounts, from the system and then rebuild the system apps from the protected memory. If the problem exists there, a factory reset won't help.

I guess my options right now are:

1) Do a factory reset.

2) go to Verizon store and have them either look at it and fix something they discover, or give me a new unit.

3) Switch to another phone all together.

Any other options I'm not considering?

5 days left during my trial period, so I need to act fast.

You could do all of the above, actually. Try clearing the cache and if that doesn't work try a reset. Be sure to back up any important data such as email, text messages, photos, etc as these will be wiped out with a reset (maybe not the photos .. that depends on where they are stored.

heycal · Oct 29, 2014

lunatic59 said:
That's an LG thing and not an Android thing. .

I'm blaming Verizon for the wifi notification thing. The Sprint guys say they have a specific option to turn that off that Verizon users don't have.

In any case, I just had a long talk with a very knowledeable and very nice woman at Verizon tech support. I explained everything that had happened. She was concerned and troubled. She theorized there was some corruption or problem that needed to be addressed through either a factory reset or a brand new unit.

I chose the latter. A new G2 will be arriving by 10am tomorrow morning. Better yet, the clock starts anew on my 14 day trial period. So I will try out the new unit and see how that goes. If there are problems with that one too, I will switch to Samsung S4 or Iphone 6.

Thanks for your help, gentlemen, and I'll report back when the new phone arrives.

BecomingDeath · Oct 29, 2014

I took the time to read through all of this so I figured I'd share my piece as well (we've met on a previous thread though

)

Now, I've never been big on the closed sourcing apple uses. One of my exes had an iPhone 3 and I played with it and absolutely hated it lol. Granted we're way into the future now with iPhone 6 and ios8. So bummed that 8.1 killed off emulation for good.

Truth of the matter is no phone is perfect. Phones are built and sometimes there are a few defective ones that need a replacement. Happens with iPhone, Android, Windows Phone, and everything in between. Sometimes you'll get a defective charger, sometimes a defective device, and sometimes you'll be perfectly set from the get go.

I've had issues with my G2, but I've never blamed the phone. I've usually found an app with a compatibility conflict or just bad coding *cough* RollerCoaster Tycoon 4 *cough* I've also had issues following the kitkat update, sending the phone for repair didn't fix them and neither did zvd. Zve probably won't either. If anything fixes it, it'll be the Lollipop update next year. The issue though I've solved myself by changing a few settings.

Basically if I was connected to LTE the phone would forward calls to voice-mail or, they'd come through but the phone wouldn't allow me to answer them. I turned on voice roaming and that fixed the problem. I can answer the calls but a triangle pops up over the signal bar showing I'm roaming. I've checked signal check and sprint zone while on call and it doesn't appear to actually be roaming. Just a false indicator. Since I had roaming turned off the phone couldn't display the roaming triangle and calls were refused. *shrug* Funny thing here is there's an app on Android Market by LG for the LG Enlighten for a roaming indicator problem. I've emailed LG a few times over it and they never replied. Oh well. No big deal.

Aside from that, I don't really have much of a problem with the phone. It works great, and coming from a Nexus S that's an understatement lol.

I don't use the LG launcher though. I prefer the vanilla feel so I use Nova launcher (even used it on my nexus just because of the features it had that ics and jb lacked.

I have very little iPhone experience though so I can't praise or defend them. All I know is you're still heavily restricted with what you can and cannot do on their phones. That's always been a sore spot for me. I prefer to personalize my phones so they stand out. I'm always tweaking stuff.

I have nothing against apple though. IPhones have their place here. A lot of people like the simplicity that comes with the ios. It's also a lot less work too. With everything set for you, you don't have to concern yourself with variables that may increase battery drain or cause applications to crash on your phone. IPhone has a much gentler learning curve than Android does, and for new Android users I would always recommend a nexus device specifically because there is no manufacturer launcher overlay. It's purely Android. Which gives it a much easier interface to learn. When manufacturers start putting all these bells and whistles is when things get confusing. To top it off, the most popular Android lines come from manufacturers that do their own launchers. That's why I think a lot of people go from iPhone to Android and get so confused with all the new information that they just rather stick with what they know and what's easy for them.

No phone os is perfect though. The Android ecosystem is fragmented and there's numerous types of phones for numerous incomes. Some of which are more susceptible to being problematic than others. IPhone on the other hand is different. There's very little fragmentation in the ecosystem and everything is more likely to work well on numerous variations of the devices.

When it comes down to it though, there's a phone that fits you and there is a phone that doesn't. Figuring it out is all a part of the fun. That's why we have grace periods.

I hope your replacement works as it's intending because the G2 is a fantastic phone. The iPhone is fantastic as well. I hope you find out which one of them works best for your personal needs.

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