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Ahh that's almost exactly what I'd read. Thanks.
So WP won't "be able to run Android apps", that's a bit misleading.
How many devs are gonna bother?

Time will tell how many will bother but the way I see it, the app is an android app that has been repurposed(not rewrote entirely) for Windows and if Microsoft plays their cards right, this is a weapon that Android nor IOS can't compete with easily. Because hypothetically of course, Windows 10 could become the platform that can run virtually any app with very little effort on the developers to make it happen.

The main difficulty of course is to make people want to do this and I sincerely hope they do. Android fanboys and fangirls and IOS fangirls and fanboys aside, this world needs more than just 2 dominant platforms and there is no need to label Windows phone as inferior.

It is a product that works for some and not all...just like Android.
Android is not inferior to me. It's just not good for what I need or want.

Sounds like lack of apps and lack of customization is an issue for many people...but I do hate when people say there are no apps because 90 percent of the people are regurgitating info they heard or something from awhile back and not presently :D
 
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OK, a few things...

Agreed that Android is not the most efficient OS around. Yes, it's does require more horsepower than iOS or - gasp! - WinPhone to achieve comparable performance. The decision Google made to go with Java and sandboxed apps in a virtual machine assured a higher system overhead. Obviously, the authors knew this and felt the trade-off for other advantages was worth the efficiency penalty. This in no way means Android is an inferior OS. Just that as with any OS there are strengths and weaknesses.

So my point is, it's not really fair to say that Google hasn't figured out how to optimize their OS - everyone is constantly learning new optimizations and improving their OS, not just Google. It's that the hardware is just catching up with the considerable requirements of Android. I've always been split on whether Java, etc should be used in Android and I still am. I understand the reasoning behind it, but still think maybe there was a better way.

Actually, I think Nokia had the right idea with Maemo. Maemo simply put a full-stack, real Linux distro in your pocket. Years ago, my beloved Nokia N900 could multitask like mad and do it on hardware that would be a joke today.

When Nokia announced the Meego project with some heavy-duty partners, the first thing I thought was: Microsoft will do whatever it takes, will spend whatever it takes, to stop Meego. Whatever it takes. Remember, this is happening at a time when it seemed there may still be time for M$ to make an impact in the mobile OS market. Or for Meego to. If someone made the right marketing moves with a good OS they could have a chance.

M$ is not stupid. They could see that Meego had the possibility of becoming the dominant mobile OS. It was open source, extremely flexible and configurable, and killer powerful. I'll say it again to let it soak in: A real Linux mobile OS in your pocket.

Well, Meego absolutely scared the hell out of Ballmer & Co. They were convinced it would take up market share they needed WinPhone to gain. And so then there was the M$ mole Elop, who killed Meego and purposely trashed Nokia to drive down the stock price so M$ could buy it for peanuts. And they did.

The reason for going over all this story is, anyone who believes M$ is more open than Google or is getting warm and fuzzy about openness in general has not been paying attention the last few years. As always, M$ is open only when it's in their interest to be, or when the market and reality forces it. And they will ruthlessly crush competition when they can.

Yes, Google has tightened the screws a bit. But it has been in an effort to simplify Android development and create a more unified experience for end users. I personally find it hard to object to that. But if a more unified UI is not to your liking, there's still plenty of leeway to modify Android, a little or a lot, even so it's unrecognizable as Android. Remember, Android being open source and given that Google cannot revoke that open source license, Google can go just so far in control of Android.

IOW, choice is alive and well in Android. Unlike Microsoft and Apple products, neither Google or anyone else can dictate what is done with Android. This has to be, must be, a positive thing for innovation. It's just logical.

Bloatware? You say you can uninstall it, but Android users can only disable it. First, that's a result of deals carriers make with the bloatware makers, it really has nothing to do with Google. Second, it's effectively, functionally the same thing.

How is Android usually 1 or 2 versions behind? Manufacturers maybe, but that's their problem, not Android's. Put the blame where it belongs.

How is Google trying to copy Microsoft?

Explain again how Microsoft is more open than Google. I'm stupid.
 
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An argument about something I've not actually seen anyone using yet, Windows Phone.

Windows Desktop in China, everywhere.
Windows Phone in China, almost non-existent.

Just remembered something I posted two years ago...
http://androidforums.com/threads/wh...phone-how-are-they.770214/page-2#post-6150841

"Windows Phone in the PRC is quite a rare item so far, or so it seems, and not being marketed very well. The local Unicom dealer has a few non-functioning dummies on display, This is in amonst many functioning demonstration Androids that customers can play with and try out. There's real iPhones as well. Chinese manufacturers(except for Huawei) don't seem to do any Windows Phone handsets so far, they're almost 100% Android now."

In fact it's got worse since then, Unicom doesn't have any Win Phone at all now, and nor does China Mobile. :thumbsupdroid:
 
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Well I did a little experiment and removed (actually disabled) the old Outlook.com app on my phone, and immediately lost the ability to sync with the Outlook.com calendar. Not surprising really.

What was surprising was that when I installed the new Outlook app, which has replaced the old Outlook.com, it didn't offer the option to sync with the device calendar - only the Outlook app would be able to view the Outlook calendar. So MS have deliberately reduced the functionality of their Android app.

Well, colour me unimpressed. If I had a G+ account I'd go and give them a poor play store rating myself...
 
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All this hype about "Windows phones are so cool.." But I never hear about Administrative Access or Rooting style capabilities/Development to enable a Windows phone to work "outside the box" of general design concerning software, i.e: Overclocking, free hotspot, init.d scripts.. ect. You can modify Android, effectively making a "Pinto outrun a Porsche." Can the same be said for a WP? (Maybe I'M the ignorant one..) And how many ppl are still trying to get rid of the every 5 min Error notification that used to always pop up on Desktop, from their memory? Still can't shake it after 20yrs! I'm Str8 without Windows programming in general. I mostly run Linux just because of the fickleness of Windows ANYTHING. A million unnecessary, ridiculous Errors in the past keeps me from rehashing the cursing monologue from before.. JS.
 
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All this hype about "Windows phones are so cool.." But I never hear about Administrative Access or Rooting style capabilities/Development to enable a Windows phone to work "outside the box" of general design concerning software, i.e: Overclocking, free hotspot, init.d scripts.. ect. You can modify Android, effectively making a "Pinto outrun a Porsche." Can the same be said for a WP? And how many ppl are still trying to get rid of the every 5 min Error notification that used to always pop up on Desktop, from their memory? Still can't shake it after 20yrs!

How many everyday people are doing that on android? LMAO.
Most people don't care to do that.

Come on now.
And I do hope you were joking about error notifications on Windows phone. Because if you're serious, that shows how out of touch you are lol. Because that doesn't happen.

An argument about something I've not actually seen anyone using yet, Windows Phone.

Windows Desktop in China, everywhere.
Windows Phone in China, almost non-existent.

Just remembered something I posted two years ago...
http://androidforums.com/threads/wh...phone-how-are-they.770214/page-2#post-6150841

"Windows Phone in the PRC is quite a rare item so far, or so it seems, and not being marketed very well. The local Unicom dealer has a few non-functioning dummies on display, This is in amonst many functioning demonstration Androids that customers can play with and try out. There's real iPhones as well. Chinese manufacturers(except for Huawei) don't seem to do any Windows Phone handsets so far, they're almost 100% Android now."

In fact it's got worse since then, Unicom doesn't have any Win Phone at all now, and nor does China Mobile. :thumbsupdroid:
Thankfully China is not the be all, end all place where an OS success is determined :)
Windows Phones does much better in places such as the Eu5 and India and such.


OK, a few things...

Agreed that Android is not the most efficient OS around. Yes, it's does require more horsepower than iOS or - gasp! - WinPhone to achieve comparable performance. The decision Google made to go with Java and sandboxed apps in a virtual margins assured a higher system overhead. Obviously, the authors knew this and felt the trade-off for other advantages was worth the efficiency penalty. This in no way means Android is an inferior OS. Just that as with any OS there are strengths and weaknesses.

So my point is, it's not really fair to say that Google hasn't figured out how to optimize their OS - everyone is constantly learning new optimizations and improving their OS, not just Google. It's that the hardware is just catching up with the considerable requirements of Android. I've always been split on whether Java, etc should be used in Android and I still am. I understand the reasoning behind it, but still think maybe there was a better way.

Actually, I think Nokia had the right idea with Maemo. Maemo simply put a full-stack, real Linux distro in your pocket. Years ago, my beloved Nokia N900 could multitask like mad and do it on hardware that would be a joke today.

When Nokia announced the Meego project with some heavy-duty partners, the first thing I thought was: Microsoft will do whatever it takes, will spend whatever it takes, to stop Meego. Whatever it takes. Remember, this is happening at a time when it seemed there may still be time for M$ to make an impact in the mobile OS market. Or for Meego to. If someone made the right marketing moves with a good OS they could have a chance.

M$ is not stupid. They could see that Meego had the possibility of becoming the dominant mobile OS. It was open source, extremely flexible and configurable, and killer powerful. I'll say it again to let it soak in: A real Linux mobile OS in your pocket.

Well, Meego absolutely scared the hell out of Ballmer & Co. They were convinced it would take up market share they needed WinPhone to gain. And so then there was the M$ mole Elop, who killed Meego and purposely trashed Nokia to drive down the stock price so M$ could buy it for peanuts. And they did.

The reason for going over all this story is, anyone who believes M$ is more open than Google or is getting warm and fuzzy about openness in general has not been paying attention the last few years. As always, M$ is open only when it's in their interest to be, or when the market and reality forces it. And they will ruthlessly crush competition when they can.

Yes, Google has tightened the screws a bit. But it has been in an effort to simplify Android development and create a more unified experience for end users. I personally find it hard to object to that. But if a more unified UI is not to your liking, there's still plenty of leeway to modify Android, a little or a lot, even so it's unrecognizable as Android. Remember, Android being open source and given that Google cannot revoke that open source license, Google can go just so far in control of Android.

IOW, choice is alive and well in Android. Unlike Microsoft and Apple products, neither Google or anyone else can dictate what is done with Android. This has to be, must be, a positive thing for innovation. It's just logical.

Bloatware? You say you can uninstall it, but Android users can only disable it. First, that's a result of deals carriers make with the bloatware makers, it really has nothing to do with Google. Second, it's effectively, functionally the same thing.

How is Android usually 1 or 2 versions behind? Manufacturers maybe, but that's their problem, not Android's. Put the blame where it belongs.

How is Google trying to copy Microsoft?

Explain again how Microsoft is more open than Google. I'm stupid.

But you make it sound like a lack of choice is a bad thing overall.....for the millions and record sells that the iPhone makes each year, there are people who don't care about that stuff.

In fact, even within the android ecosystem, the majority of users do not care about stuff being open or closed. I sell phones(specifically Microsoft now) and most people want the phone because

1. Their friends have it
2. A celebrity has it
3. It looks cool
4. I saw that cool commercial...

A very select portion of the overall android community cares about stuff like being open or closed....or full out customization. Just like a few people in the IOS realm care about jailbreaking.

Just like being closed/lack of choice is not always bad, having that choice and the openness is not always good either. After all, look at the tragic mess some of these android phones are that come out. Just because they can.

Which then turns around and gives Android a bad name because people begin to equate laggy ZTE phones to an HTC or Samsung because they are all android. Which is precisely why Google is beginning to tighten up . It has little to do with android itself because stock android is usually good, it's usually the poor designed skins that come with it.

Your conspiracy theories about MS, Nokia, and elop are hilarious.

Microsoft with Windows Phone has struck an amazing balance...it is more secure and locked down akin to IOS but it also gives OEM the openness to bring things to their devices.

Nokia's superb camera quality for Lumia

Samsung's software found on their Galaxy brought to their Windows Phone.

HTC's Zoe and that dot view thing and other features from the M8 for the M8 windows.
No the OS is not a free for all...but it is not some jail either. Most people who speak about Windows Phone usually have no idea what they are talking about.

The same bloatware comes on Lumia and Android phones....which means that likely the same/similar deals are made....and yet I can uninstall the apps off my phone. I can get back the memory...cant do that on Android without having to root.
 
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How many everyday people are doing that on android? LMAO.
Most people don't care to do that.

Come on now.
And I do hope you were joking about error notifications on Windows phone. Because if you're serious, that shows how out of touch you are lol. Because that doesn't happen.

First question: how many ppl doing that on Android? MANY. VERY MANY. It's also about options, like weapons: "Better to HAVE them and not need it, than NEED it and not have them."

Second question: No Sir, you misunderstand me. I mentioned those repeated previous desktop errors as a justified reason to NOT own a Windows phone. You must be unaware of how much of a bad taste Windows leaves in most people's mind. Why have a pocket version of something that will tick you off if it's too expensive to replace? Lmfao. Besides, there's millions upon millions (uncountable) of viruses for Windows and around 100 for Linux. Why use a lock that almost anyone can get into? Food for thought.. [emoji41]
 
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First question: how many ppl doing that on Android? MANY. VERY MANY. It's also about options, like weapons: "Better to HAVE them and not need it, than NEED it and not have them."

Second question: No Sir, you misunderstand me. I mentioned those repeated previous desktop errors as a justified reason to NOT own a Windows phone. You must be unaware of how much of a bad taste Windows leaves in most people's mind. Why have a pocket version of something that will tick you off if it's too expensive to replace? Lmfao. Besides, there's millions upon millions (uncountable) of viruses for Windows and around 100 for Linux. Why use a lock that almost anyone can get into? Food for thought.. [emoji41]
And considering a Windows Phone is not the same as using WIndows DESKTOP
(not counting Windows 10), your statement is flawed and false....if not archaic.

of course there are like 100 for Linux...nobody uses it lmao.

HTC Zoe first appeared on the M7, not on the M8, and before the M8 Windows phone.
Your point?
Regardless whatever phone it appeared on, my point stands that Microsoft is not 100 percent closed off and restrictive as assumed...they just don't allow the OEMs to butch their OS with skins lol.

I said M8 simply because HTC regurgitated their android phone(with the same crap camera) for windows and it had it there.
 
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When did lack of choice become a Good Thing?

I can understand buying a phone for reason #1. But #2+3+4 sound like reasons people too young to vote would use.

Being open benefits those who know the difference and care and those who have no idea and couldn't care less. Regardless of knowledge or interest, anyone can benefit from open systems.

A cheap, laggy ZTE isn't Android's fault, but Android takes a hit for it, you're right.

Funny or not, it's not a a conspiracy theory. It a conspiracy fact. That's what happened.

I already addressed bloatware...
 
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When did lack of choice become a Good Thing?

I can understand buying a phone for reason #1. But #2+3+4 sound like reasons people too young to vote would use.

Being open benefits those who know the difference and care and those who have no idea and couldn't care less. Regardless of knowledge or interest, anyone can benefit from open systems.

A cheap, laggy ZTE isn't Android's fault, but Android takes a hit for it, you're right.

Funny or not, it's not a a conspiracy theory. It a conspiracy fact. That's what happened.

Okay...
I have the choice to go out and buy a new car today. I don't want to.
I have the choice to go out and eat pizza. I don't want to.
I am gay and I have the choice to go date and marry a girl if I want to. I don't want to.

I have the choice to use an android phone(and did) over IOS and windows phone? I chose to use windows phone.

its not a lack of choice really....it's simply I chose not to use the product that gives me a billion choices and I chose a product that while options are more limited, it works for me.

You call it Lack of choice and I call it good enough :D

More importantly, that is not a fact. That's something Anti-M$ people stuck in the past when Microsoft was jerks to others who cant seem to come to the present want to harp on.

How do I know?
Because these are the same grown men and women who do such silly things like write MS like M$ as if they are making some kind of statement...because you know, Microsoft is the only company who is out to make money lol
 
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Your point?
Regardless whatever phone it appeared on, my point stands that Microsoft is not 100 percent closed off and restrictive as assumed...they just don't allow the OEMs to butch their OS with skins lol.

I said M8 simply because HTC regurgitated their android phone(with the same crap camera) for windows and it had it there.

Your point was that it was a great Microsoft feature first and taken by HTC for Android.

When confronted with the facts, you resort to changing the subject to the camera, you've gone back on the attack and now Microsoft getting an Android feature somehow has to be accepted as showing how Microsoft is open.

I've sent you a formal caution about trolling, and now as you've chosen to escalate it - with plays I've seen from paid Microsoft shills before - you leave me no choice.

You are hereby banned from further comment in this thread.

Your ridiculous derailing and bickering is at an end.
 
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You do realize you are asking this on an android phone forum :p So the answers are almost always going to be negative/against Microsoft :p

I use Windows Phone presently(Lumia 1520) and I think the OS is the best. No we don't have 1,000,000 apps like ios and Android but we do have 500,000 apps.

Keep in mind with WIndows 10 which is coming in a few months, Windows 10 for phones will be able to run IOS and Android apps.

A lot of my friends have had androids and they are on team windows :p
(S6 Edge to the Lumia 1520, HTC One M8 to M8 Windows...I wished he got a better phone but he likes HTC and he wanted the windows phone)

If you want/need a good Microsoft experience, then Windows Phone would be a good move. I left Android in 2012, flirted with it in 2013 and tried it briefly a month or two ago and I am glad to be done with it :D


OK where can I get a list of all the apps that run on windows?

I need to check if the apps I need will run on my windows phone.

Thank YOU.
 
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Best way might be to make a list of the apps you currently need and use, then go here and see what there is...
http://www.windowsphone.com/en-us/store/overview
The Windows Phone app store.

FWIW I had a brief look earlier at what I use and find essential, e.g. QQ, Wechat, Baidu, Skype, VPN, PPTV, BBC, CNTV, etc. they're all there and have Win Phone versions. :thumbsupdroid:
 
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Is it true there's no youtube?
EDIT or an I thinking of BB?
Not true but not wrong.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/kellycl...s-microsofts-youtube-windows-phone-app-again/

http://readwrite.com/2013/10/08/microsoft-youtube-google-fight

The YouTube app on their has positive and negative comments, the negative focused on how it's not so much an app. The Q&A section shows a lot of people prefer alternative apps.

http://www.gottabemobile.com/2014/06/22/how-to-watch-youtube-videos-on-windows-phone-8-1/

What you won't find is Chromecast support anywhere. Google has that working on Chrome on the Windows desktop and has published an SDK for Android and iOS. In the Q&A section, their mod/site representative goes on to explain that Google is not open, doesn't care about other operating systems (other than their biggest competitor, Apple) - basically, the Microsoft party line.

One developer found the exclusion somehow mysterious -

http://blog.snuxoll.com/post/89482387476/chromecast-developer-terms-prevent-windows-phone

That's a standard clause in every no-rip-off, no-reverse-engineering TOS agreement found from *everyone* since the beginning of time.

Google answered with a .NET API but it doesn't include casting.

https://developers.google.com/api-client-library/dotnet/apis/

There is a hacked solution called Tubecast.

As for the idea that the Windows phone has over 500,000 apps available - the actual number is about 350k.

http://winsupersite.com/windows/how-microsoft-hopes-overcome-app-gap-2015

Everyone outside pointed and laughed when that's all that the Android Market had back in the day and look what happened.

I don't think that the vast majority of people care about what operating system their smartphone has as long as their apps work and the phone does what they want, the way they want.

From last year -

http://www.theverge.com/2014/12/11/7377021/ive-given-up-on-windows-phone

Maybe Windows 10 will help.
 
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I often make grammar mistakes but I try my best not to. If one bothers you drop me a line - otherwise we have a site rule that says that grammar doesn't matter. We all play with that in the Lounge as an exception.

I don't understand the question about Microsoft players having Google ads... :thinking:
Mate mate please don't misunderstand me. I was referring to a thread I thought you were part of where a guy complained about another's grammar. I just assumed you got that.
Im a firm believer that grammar isn't important online as long as it can be understood.
I thought I made it clear it was a joke and never expected you to take any offence from it. It was the guy in the other post I was making fun of. Not you.
Please don't be angry with me man it actually affects my mood negatively when someone I respect gets angry with me.
Understand?
Friends?

And I meant is Google advertising used in the WP youtube apps.

Maan I feel like shit now :(
 
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I'm never mad at you, you read far more into that than I wanted.

Thanks to this idiotic badge I have to qualify every post I make or someone gets offended - especially the lurkers who sometimes think I'm a mind reader. :D

Mention grammar, it's like dropping a penny in the gumball machine - some mod will quote our party line, we're basically required to do that, so everyone is cool about where we stand.

If I had something to say to you personally, I'd drop you a line ok. ;) :D
 
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I gotta say I LOVE Windows Phone 8.1 to the OP dude in this thread! :D

I love both Android and WP but Wp has grown on me for some very good reasons.

OP - sadly I can't really answer your question - I do not use Outlook at all on WP 8 - instead I use Gmail with WP - only because everyone knows my Gmail account and I don't have an Outlook account or if I do I just don't use it.

If you are considering WP 8 then I highly recommend it!

The good:

1) It is extremely extremely fast compared to many many Android Phones that have even more horespower but under perform compared to WP 8 - I have used many other devices and I must say they are just too slow compared to WP8. I am not a fan boy at all but if something is faster and noticeably faster with less hardware (Nokia 520) than many other devices that run other OS then I have to applaud or commend MS on making such a great piece of software that is even less buggy than other competitors.

2) It hardly ever crashes - I am super impressed with how little it crashes compared to many other mobile devices I have used in the past! It is very stable - I have had very little issues with WP 8 - it is extremely solid. Many of my other devices have just crashed in the past or completely frozen on me where as I have yet to see this on WP8.

The bad! (And some of these points are very bad for me (and in general for others?) and sadly are a big turn off and why I don't only use this OS and no other)

1) There is a considerably lower amount of applications available on the WP Store! - very big downer for me - I like choice and variety! It is bad how little apps there are compared to other OSes such as Android and others! Very bad indeed and hopefully this will change in the future :(

2) There is very little customization on WP8 - I think this is also reason why the device is so fast and smooth - very little over lays and thus needs less processing power and can do more because there is less going on. There is not much you can do at all to change the look and feel of WP. Maybe not that big an issue to many I can do with not so much customization and I would prefer to have less customization to improve performance because this is just a much better sacrifice to me! :)

But about Outlook - I have no idea because I do not use it sorry man :(
 
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