Windows 10, Yay or Nay?

AZgl1500 · Mar 30, 2016

My first experience with Linux was about 25 years ago, I was tired of all of the miscues with the early versions of WinX and thought it is time to "get away from it", but at the same time, I hired into an IT job that demanded that my home PC also run the same version of Windows or they would not allow me to tunnel into my PC at work.... ( I was an on call tech for a 911 job )....

the frustration of trying to learn the command line process of Linux which was so close to Unix, that I just threw my hands up and quit. The learning curve was too vertical before you can get to where you are comfortable with using it. and I did not have time to go back to school and figure it out. IT techs can put in 50-60 hours a week at the drop of a hat... simply ruins a School Class Attendance schedule

I have never argued that Linux can't do a good job, it just isn't a good fit for me, and I am far past the point of wanting to start "all over".... I'm 73 now, and going to sit back on my laurels and let it be.

last rant, I promise. :rolleyes:

AZgl1500 · Mar 30, 2016

LV426 said:
Ok, I'll bite
The thing that annoys me most about Windows systems is that the performance degrades over time. Performance initially is very zippy, but give it time, and any computer I've used running Windows, just gets slower and slower. It's weird because it's the only system software I've experienced that actually seems to 'wear out'.

Registry Bloat big time.

I dove into the Registry when I first met up with Windows, as at the time, I had been a binary programmer and said "they can't beat me with this crap"

it became easier if you use a Registry Cleaning tool....
and here is how to make that tool work best.

You delete the entire folder of the errant program while the Windows OS is not in control... yeah, I used a Linux demo liveCD

Then, reboot Windows and bring up a good Registry cleaner and have it delete any and all references to said product....

the fault with Windoze is that it wants to load everything into RAM, even the stuff it don't need "right now" to do the job.

This desktop on Win7 has not slowed down on me enough to noticed any difference on the long haul....
but, when signs of it starts to happen, I clean it up....

but a normal desktop user is not capable of doing that..... I maintain several PCs "at a distance" via TeamViewer for some friends. Set them up so that I can log in anytime I want, that way, I can reboot their PC remotely and take a fresh look at it.

Deleted User · Mar 30, 2016

AZgl1500 said:
My first experience with Linux was about 25 years ago, I was tired of all of the miscues with the early versions of WinX and thought it is time to "get away from it", but at the same time, I hired into an IT job that demanded that my home PC also run the same version of Windows or they would not allow me to tunnel into my PC at work.... ( I was an on call tech for a 911 job )....

the frustration of trying to learn the command line process of Linux which was so close to Unix, that I just threw my hands up and quit. The learning curve was too vertical before you can get to where you are comfortable with using it. and I did not have time to go back to school and figure it out. IT techs can put in 50-60 hours a week at the drop of a hat... simply ruins a School Class Attendance schedule

I have never argued that Linux can't do a good job, it just isn't a good fit for me, and I am far past the point of wanting to start "all over".... I'm 73 now, and going to sit back on my laurels and let it be.

last rant, I promise.

Ah, I see your problem. Linux 25 years ago was nothing like modern distros. You had to be an uber geek just to get the thing to install.
These days installation is a doddle, and once logged in, you actually don't need to use a command line, as the UI provides all the nice graphical pointy-clicky widgets to get the job done.
I do still like a command line though, so I usually end up with a terminal window permanently open on my desktop

psionandy · Mar 30, 2016

My daughter of 9 is a happy Linux user.... She started when she was 5.

Still waiting a couple of years till she gets an admin account though

AZgl1500 · Mar 30, 2016

Your daughter though, doesn't know the difference and will be quite happy and a lot smarter than us older doggers.

krokus · Mar 30, 2016

I hope this 10 crap is enough to piss off the public, and it might get M$ to wake up. (Yes, I know that is not realistic. One can still hope.)

I have been using various types Unix since 1984, and can't believe the crap M$ has gotten away with.

Crashdamage · Mar 30, 2016

The Registry was a bad idea that MS is stuck with because of the need to run legacy software. The only way they will be able to eventually get rid of it is by running 'old' Windows in a virtual machine in a all new, improved Windows. I've heard faint rumors of MS working on a version of Linux...

psionandy · Mar 30, 2016

AZgl1500 said:
Your daughter though, doesn't know the difference and will be quite happy and a lot smarter than us older doggers.

Well, she is a smart kid... but she floats happily between Windows, Linux, Android and IOS.... or whatever shiny device she can get her hands on

She can even get the the smart TV to work without giving up and throwing the remote control on the floor (unlike dad)

Crashdamage · Mar 30, 2016

Oh, I forgot, MS already sells Linux:
http://m.theregister.co.uk/2015/09/...repeat_microsoft_has_developed_its_own_linux/

Possibly MS said Win10 will be the last numbered version because they want a new name to differentiate a new Linux OS?

Desktop Windows/Linux is just a matter of time. Linux is everywhere. Resistance is futile.

AZgl1500 · Mar 30, 2016

yeah,
I read in a newsletter that there won't be anymore "numbered versions" of Windows.... the '10' designation is going to disappear also.

there will just be "security updates" hiding the changes under the skin.
several folks have already found Linux modules running inside the Win10 OS... new names of course, but Linux none the less.

like on my laptop, the WiFi adapter was not recognized in the install, I reinstalled it three times to see if it was a mistake, and nope it was not. So, I had to find the binary module for the adapter that I had, and it only came in one flavor labeled "windows" of course.... but Linux didn't care, when told where it was, it just installed it and the internet came up.

mikedt · Mar 30, 2016

AZgl1500 said:
yeah,
I read in a newsletter that there won't be anymore "numbered versions" of Windows.... the '10' designation is going to disappear also.

Maybe they'll keep "10" for a long time. Apple has, Roman numeral "X".

Crashdamage · Mar 30, 2016

Even MS can see that Linux is a highly capable, secure system adaptable for almost anything from supercomputers to refrigerators. It's everywhere except desktops and is clearly the fututre of those too, eventually.

The challenge for MS is to make a distro so good it's worth paying for. And of çourse it has to run 15 years worth of ojd software.

But MS has changed the OS radically before, from 95/98 to NT. They can do it again. They have to. The old NT nust go.

jefboyardee · Mar 30, 2016

Crashdamage said:
The Registry was a bad idea that MS is stuck with because of the need to run legacy software.

As proof of my age, I can remember hearing how wonderful the Registry was going to be when XP(?) was coming out, that we won't have to go hunting for a program's '.ini' file.

Crashdamage · Mar 30, 2016

That worked out well, didn't tt? How does MS keep getting awày with such stupidity?

jefboyardee · Mar 31, 2016

From Never10, an interesting confirmation of my suspicion that GWX ain't no good...

The GWX Control Panel (an early popular solution at 2.4 megabytes) was a useful first step. But it was wrong in too many ways. Its design and operation seemed ill suited to the simple task of preventing upgrades to Windows 10. It was confusing and offered an array of actions, options and status reports, when all anyone really wanted was simply for Windows to not upgrade itself and to leave us alone. Instead, the GWX Control Panel makes itself the center of attention. It needs to be “installed”, is resident and persistent afterward, and it pops up all the time to tell us what a great job it's doing... which is exactly the kind of nonsense most people are fed up with in this era where “your attention” is what commercial interests all want to obtain more of. But more than anything, none of that was necessary . . .

Dngrsone · Mar 31, 2016

Crashdamage said:
That worked out well, didn't tt? How does MS keep getting awày with such stupidity?

Large commercial contracts... we as home consumers are not Microsoft's target market.

They sell to large corporations and governments, and the home users are likely to follow, since they will tend to use the same software at home as they do at work.

Father Guido · Mar 31, 2016

jefboyardee said:
As proof of my age, I can remember hearing how wonderful the Registry was going to be when XP(?) was coming out, that we won't have to go hunting for a program's '.ini' file.

Wasn't it Win 95? Definitely proof of (old) age when one's memory gets like mine

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Deleted User · Mar 31, 2016

Crashdamage said:
Even MS can see that Linux is a highly capable, secure system adaptable for almost anything from supercomputers to refrigerators. It's everywhere except desktops and is clearly the fututre of those too, eventually.

Possibly, but probably not in my lifetime. MS has overwhelming use of Windows on the corporate desktop. There's no real incentive for them to change that. They've got everyone locked into the MS ecosystem, development tools, business applications etc. Why move to a more open system where the user has choice of something which isn't produced by MS?
We all know that Linux is a technically superior solution, but it's a popularity contest, and Windows wins, hands down.

Crashdamage · Mar 31, 2016

Dngrsone said:
Large commercial contracts... we as home consumers are not Microsoft's target market.

They sell to large corporations and governments, and the home users are likely to follow, since they will tend to use the same software at home as they do at work.

Well, I realize that's what butters their bread. But don't those big buyers have any technical expertise? They keep buying the same crap over and over. How long will they continue to put up with it before they turn) to better solutions?

Crashdamage · Mar 31, 2016

Crashdamage said:
Well, I realize that's what butters their bread. But don't those big buyers have any technical expertise? They keep buying the same crap over and over. How long will they continue to put up with it before they turn) to better solutions?

I used to agree completely, but now I'm getting the feeling that MS knows they're beating a dead horse with the old NT code. Possibly they want get as many users as possible on Win10 to make replacing it as simple as possible. MS has to realize that the longer they keep using NT code the harder it will be to get rid of it.

Crashdamage · Mar 31, 2016

AZgl1500 said:
yeah,
I read in a newsletter that there won't be anymore "numbered versions" of Windows.... the '10' designation is going to disappear also.

there will just be "security updates" hiding the changes under the skin.
several folks have already found Linux modules running inside the Win10 OS... new names of course, but Linux none the less.

like on my laptop, the WiFi adapter was not recognized in the install, I reinstalled it three times to see if it was a mistake, and nope it was not. So, I had to find the binary module for the adapter that I had, and it only came in one flavor labeled "windows" of course.... but Linux didn't care, when told where it was, it just installed it and the internet came up.

Little snippets of Linux have been spotted, And the Unbuntu command line has been added to Win10. Steve Ballmer has left the building.

Deleted User · Mar 31, 2016

Crashdamage said:
Little snippets of Linux have been spotted, And the Unbuntu command line added go Win10. Steve Ballmer has left.the building.

There is hope

All we can do is spread the word. But inertia is a difficult thing to overcome.

krokus · Mar 31, 2016

Crashdamage said:
I've heard faint rumors of MS working on a version of Linux...

I did see an announcement, that M$ is releasing bash for 10.

Crashdamage · Mar 31, 2016

Since Ballmer left, I get the feeling people att MS feel major changes must be made, and the sooner it happens the less painful it will be.

jefboyardee · Mar 31, 2016

Can't we all just get along...

Windows 10 will receive an Anniversary Update with Linux support, Xbox One compatibility, and more

For a company whose former CEO once famously declared that “Linux is a cancer that attaches itself in an intellectual property sense to everything it touches,” Microsoft’s about-face on Linux has been nothing short of astonishing. Project Astoria, the plan to run Android applications on Windows Mobile devices, may be dead, but Microsoft isn’t abandoning its plans to drive closer relationships between Linux developers and Windows users. Windows 10’s Anniversary Update “will include the ability to run the popular bash shell from Unix, along with the rest of a typical Unix command-line environment,”

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