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Help I need a REAL backup system for my phone!

jungleexplorer

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So my wife dropped my Galaxy ACTIVE and even though I had it in a Beetle Unicorn case, it some how disconnected the screen ribbon connector. So the screen went black. Since mine is a sealed waterproof unit, the only way to get to the ribbon, is through the screen, which will break the screen. So that is, $100 for the screen, plus another $100 to pay someone to to replace it. It was cheaper to buy a refurbished one just like it, so that is what I did.

If you are like me, your life is on a phone. You have enable every google BACKUP parameter there is, so that when this kind of thing happens, you will get your phone back up and running by just signing back into your google account. Everything is great, Right? NOT!!!!!!

I have never once had my phone restored by a google back up. Sure you get your contacts, and your calendar and maybe a few of your dozens of apps back. What about everything else? What about all your customization? NOPE! What about all you app associated data, like game scores? NOPE! Many apps, don't have cloud backup for your data, what about all that? NOPE!

I want a REAL backup system that will completely bring my phone back to the exact STATE that it was, just as if it were a TWIN or a CLONE. Is there anything out there like that?

I know on my Windows PC there is a built in backup system that will periodically create a system image that can be used to return the PC to the exact state at which it was when the backup was created. There are many other apps that do he same thing for a PC. Surly there is something similar for Android.
 
Not without root you can't. The closest you can get to without root for a Samsung is Google Backup + SmartSwitch Backups.

This is because root on Android = Administrator Privileges on Windows. Just like how you can't make a system image backup on Windows if you dont have admin privilege, you don't get system images in Android without root.
 
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Not without root you can't. The closest you can get to without root for a Samsung is Google Backup + SmartSwitch Backups.

This is because root on Android = Administrator Privileges on Windows. Just like how you can't make a system image backup on Windows if you dont have admin privilege, you don't get system images in Android without root.

Yes that makes sense.
 
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Not without root you can't. The closest you can get to without root for a Samsung is Google Backup + SmartSwitch Backups.

This is because root on Android = Administrator Privileges on Windows. Just like how you can't make a system image backup on Windows if you dont have admin privilege, you don't get system images in Android without root.

The problem with smartswitch, is that it only works with FUNCTIONING devices. I almost never switch phones unless the one I have stops working, which is generally the result of an accident. For example, the reason I got this last phone was because I dropped my phone in a lake on 40 feet of water. Try to use SmartSwitch with that. LOL!

So any backup that is dependent on access to a primary phone that is functioning, is just dumb! People drop their phones every day and they render them inoperable. Google backup is a great idea, but it simply does not work. My new phone is the exact same model as the phone that broke. It has been logged into my google account for over 24 hours and has yet to restore anything but my address book. That is it! Not a single app has been reinstalled. None of my custom settings and personalizations have been restored. I had one game that I had been playing for over a year. Now I have to start from scratch! Imagine of you played WoW for a year and your computer crashed and you had to start from scratch.

I need a back up system that backs my phone up off site like I backup my PC to an external harddrive. Google Backup and SmartSwitch are a bad joke.
 
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Yes that makes sense.

No not really. The admin level is a normal function of Windows. It is built right into it as a design function. You don't have to hack windows to get to the admin level. You are required to set it up when you create the first user profile. Microsoft "INTENDS" for you to have an ADMIN for your system from the start. Using admin privileges does not require that you alter windows in anyway.

By contrast, rooting an android phone is not a "Normal" function of the phone. It is not built right into the design. It requires you to hack it and alter it. Google does not intend for you the common user to have Admin level access.

It is also not true that admin level access is required to backup a windows system. There are many backup programs like EaseUS Todo Backup that do not require admin level access to do their job. ChanChan05 may be correct that an android has to be rooted to provide real backup functions, but it in no way is compared to windows at all. I only wish that android was as good as windows. I just built a brand new gaming system as an upgrade from my old one. I simply cloned my old harddrive to my new one (30 minutes) stuck it in the new system and BAM! I am done! Let me see you do that with an android phone.
 
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The problem with smartswitch, is that it only works with FUNCTIONING devices. I almost never switch phones unless the one I have stops working, which is generally the result of an accident. For example, the reason I got this last phone was because I dropped my phone in a lake on 40 feet of water. Try to use SmartSwitch with that. LOL!

So any backup that is dependent on access to a primary phone that is functioning, is just dumb! People drop their phones every day and they render them inoperable. Google backup is a great idea, but it simply does not work. My new phone is the exact same model as the phone that broke. It has been logged into my google account for over 24 hours and has yet to restore anything but my address book. That is it! Not a single app has been reinstalled. None of my custom settings and personalizations have been restored. I had one game that I had been playing for over a year. Now I have to start from scratch! Imagine of you played WoW for a year and your computer crashed and you had to start from scratch.

I need a back up system that backs my phone up off site like I backup my PC to an external harddrive. Google Backup and SmartSwitch are a bad joke.

What are you talking about? SmartSwitch does not need a functioning phone present. SmartSwitch for Windows and SmartSwitch for Android can make independent backups of the phone. For the phone, just turn on the app and select switch via SD card, and the app will create a backup on the SD card. Same for the Windows version. Plug in the phone to Windows, open up the SmartSwitch program, and click on Backup. I got like 40GB worth of different date backup versions on my laptop of my old phones that I can restore using the SmartSwitch program to my new phone anytime I want, and I don't have those phones anymore
SmartSwitch also restores your setups on the homescreen mostly.
 
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Could you please state just which 'Active' model you had? There are actually several of them (S5 Active, S7 Active, etc.)
The issue being, re-seating the ribbon cables on a S4 Active involves disassembly using mostly screw fasteners to get access to them:
https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/Disassembling+Samsung+Galaxy+S4+Active/37470
while a S7 Active is a matter of screws and a lot of adhesives/glues, requiring a heat gun (or in the guide below, a lessor hair dryer):
https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/Samsung+Galaxy+S7+Active+Disassembly/108117

Also, you might be less frustrated by not making so many direct comparisons between a Windows PC and an Android phone. You're apparently very comfortable with Windows and not as much with Android. There are advantages and limitations with both, each OS/platform having its own approach to the very, very different skill levels and needs of their target customers. Yes, there any number of references to our phones as being '... mini computers in our pockets' and while there's some truth to that kind of phrasing, it's also for the most part just marketing-babble.
 
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No not really. The admin level is a normal function of Windows. It is built right into it as a design function. You don't have to hack windows to get to the admin level. You are required to set it up when you create the first user profile. Microsoft "INTENDS" for you to have an ADMIN for your system from the start. Using admin privileges does not require that you alter windows in anyway.

By contrast, rooting an android phone is not a "Normal" function of the phone. It is not built right into the design. It requires you to hack it and alter it. Google does not intend for you the common user to have Admin level access.

It is also not true that admin level access is required to backup a windows system. There are many backup programs like EaseUS Todo Backup that do not require admin level access to do their job. ChanChan05 may be correct that an android has to be rooted to provide real backup functions, but it in no way is compared to windows at all. I only wish that android was as good as windows. I just built a brand new gaming system as an upgrade from my old one. I simply cloned my old harddrive to my new one (30 minutes) stuck it in the new system and BAM! I am done! Let me see you do that with an android phone.

EaseUS only bypasses the admin requirements to copy from admin protected folders. It doesn't create an actual image of the PC as far as I know (i'm not keen on using these kinds of tools on a PC if it can be done without it anyway, I'm always admin on PC). And in the same vein, there are tools for backing up items on Android without root like SmartSwitch and Helium (this allows you to backup bypassing root, but there are certain limitations). Also, since Android employs sandboxing for it's apps, each app is allowed to be coded to prevent other apps from even looking inside it, even backup apps. So the app itself has to allow itself to be backed up. This is due to intended security. It wasn't like this before, but things happened over the years that made this necessary.
 
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Could you please state just which 'Active' model you had? There are actually several of them (S5 Active, S7 Active, etc.)
The issue being, re-seating the ribbon cables on a S4 Active involves disassembly using mostly screw fasteners to get access to them:
https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/Disassembling+Samsung+Galaxy+S4+Active/37470
while a S7 Active is a matter of screws and a lot of adhesives/glues, requiring a heat gun (or in the guide below, a lessor hair dryer):
https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/Samsung+Galaxy+S7+Active+Disassembly/108117

Also, you might be less frustrated by not making so many direct comparisons between a Windows PC and an Android phone. You're apparently very comfortable with Windows and not as much with Android. There are advantages and limitations with both, each OS/platform having its own approach to the very, very different skill levels and needs of their target customers. Yes, there any number of references to our phones as being '... mini computers in our pockets' and while there's some truth to that kind of phrasing, it's also for the most part just marketing-babble.


It was a galaxy S6 Active. It is a sealed unit and does not even have an micro-sd card expansion. You are correct. I am a PC tech, not an android tech. If smartphones were not so darn convenient I would not own one. I hate them for everything except their convenience. They are nothing more then useful toys. I like REAL computers and I am not talking about tablets or even laptops. I am talking about the glory of computing, the wonder of wonders, the creme de la creme, the almighty DESKTOP PC. Nothing beats computing like sitting down in front of a nice 24" 4K monitor (not some tiny 5" screen), a real full size keyboard (not some infuriating tiny touchscreen keyboard that always gets things wrong), and the best pointing device ever invented, The amazing Optical Mouse! Now that is real computing!
 
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EaseUS only bypasses the admin requirements to copy from admin protected folders. It doesn't create an actual image of the PC as far as I know (i'm not keen on using these kinds of tools on a PC if it can be done without it anyway, I'm always admin on PC). And in the same vein, there are tools for backing up items on Android without root like SmartSwitch and Helium (this allows you to backup bypassing root, but there are certain limitations). Also, since Android employs sandboxing for it's apps, each app is allowed to be coded to prevent other apps from even looking inside it, even backup apps. So the app itself has to allow itself to be backed up. This is due to intended security. It wasn't like this before, but things happened over the years that made this necessary.

I use EaseUS to create full complete backups all the time. I also use it all the time to CLONE a complete harddrive and copy it to another haddrive.

I have to admit, that I Had never tried to use SmartSwitch until after this phone broke. I tried to install it from the web and then tried to run backup, but interaction with the phone was necessary.

I am not sure why I am the only one that finds all these :Restrictions" dumb. I provide PC Tech support for people all over the place through Team Viewer, which allows me to take full control of a PC and interact with it anywhere in the world, just as if I was there in person. I can even do this using my smartphone (it's incredibly cumbersome, but it can be done). But I can find no way to take remote control of my android dumbphone so I can get my info off of it. Remote control access is a basic modern computing necessity.

Why the heck am I the only one that thinks that the fact that I even have to have this conversation about full system backups for an android phone is stupid. Everyone knows full well that this is essential, because smartphone are super delicate pieces of tech that store great amounts of vital information that we can;t afford to lose WHEN (not if) it breaks.

Just for fun and for you to understand my frustration, here is a picture of my stack of broken phones for the last five years. Phones that cost more to fix then buy another one just like it, but that I can't get rid of because they contain vital personal information, that I can't be assured of the data be erased because I CAN'T SEE THE DANG SCREEN and there is no way to access them externally via remote control.

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The phone on the right is the only phone that I have never seen anyone break. It is a NEC Terrain and it is probably one of the best phones ever built. It is just very old and outdated since NEC discontinued it's phone division shortly after they released it. I carry this phone as an emergency backup when I travel.


OH! And these broken phones don't include two Galxy S5s that are at the bottom of lakes and one Sony Experia Z that fell off the cab of my truck at 75MPH and was hit by a Semi. LOL!
 
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It was a galaxy S6 Active. It is a sealed unit and does not even have an micro-sd card expansion.

FWIW Samsung did see the error of their ways, and all their phones AFAIK since the S6 and S6 active do have micro-SD slots. However you can use USB-OTG with an S6 Active, and backup to a USB thumb-drive with SmartSwitch that way.

You are correct. I am a PC tech, not an android tech. If smartphones were not so darn convenient I would not own one. I hate them for everything except their convenience. They are nothing more then useful toys. I like REAL computers and I am not talking about tablets or even laptops. I am talking about the glory of computing, the wonder of wonders, the creme de la creme, the almighty DESKTOP PC. Nothing beats computing like sitting down in front of a nice 24" 4K monitor (not some tiny 5" screen), a real full size keyboard (not some infuriating tiny touchscreen keyboard that always gets things wrong), and the best pointing device ever invented, The amazing Optical Mouse! Now that is real computing!

Yup, I used to have one of them, an almighty desktop PC. But these days I need my tech to be a lot more mobile, I do frequent travel, sometimes international, so lightweight laptops and smart-phones is what I use. I've used Huawei and Oppo smart-phones, and both of them can make a complete backup of everything onto a micro-SD, or laptop, etc.
 
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I use EaseUS to create full complete backups all the time. I also use it all the time to CLONE a complete harddrive and copy it to another haddrive.

I have to admit, that I Had never tried to use SmartSwitch until after this phone broke. I tried to install it from the web and then tried to run backup, but interaction with the phone was necessary.

I am not sure why I am the only one that finds all these :Restrictions" dumb. I provide PC Tech support for people all over the place through Team Viewer, which allows me to take full control of a PC and interact with it anywhere in the world, just as if I was there in person. I can even do this using my smartphone (it's incredibly cumbersome, but it can be done). But I can find no way to take remote control of my android dumbphone so I can get my info off of it. Remote control access is a basic modern computing necessity.

Why the heck am I the only one that thinks that the fact that I even have to have this conversation about full system backups for an android phone is stupid.
Everyone knows full well that this is essential, because smartphone are super delicate pieces of tech that store great amounts of vital information that we can;t afford to lose WHEN (not if) it breaks.

I don't think it's stupid at all, and do complete backups of my Android phones. But what I'm using is provided by the respective manufacturers, Huawei and Oppo. I do regular backups, if the phone gets trashed, I can restore everything to a replacement phone.
 
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I use EaseUS to create full complete backups all the time. I also use it all the time to CLONE a complete harddrive and copy it to another haddrive.

I have to admit, that I Had never tried to use SmartSwitch until after this phone broke. I tried to install it from the web and then tried to run backup, but interaction with the phone was necessary.

I am not sure why I am the only one that finds all these :Restrictions" dumb. I provide PC Tech support for people all over the place through Team Viewer, which allows me to take full control of a PC and interact with it anywhere in the world, just as if I was there in person. I can even do this using my smartphone (it's incredibly cumbersome, but it can be done). But I can find no way to take remote control of my android dumbphone so I can get my info off of it. Remote control access is a basic modern computing necessity.

Why the heck am I the only one that thinks that the fact that I even have to have this conversation about full system backups for an android phone is stupid. Everyone knows full well that this is essential, because smartphone are super delicate pieces of tech that store great amounts of vital information that we can;t afford to lose WHEN (not if) it breaks.

Just for fun and for you to understand my frustration, here is a picture of my stack of broken phones for the last five years. Phones that cost more to fix then buy another one just like it, but that I can't get rid of because they contain vital personal information, that I can't be assured of the data be erased because I CAN'T SEE THE DANG SCREEN and there is no way to access them externally via remote control.

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The phone on the right is the only phone that I have never seen anyone break. It is a NEC Terrain and it is probably one of the best phones ever built. It is just very old and outdated since NEC discontinued it's phone division shortly after they released it. I carry this phone as an emergency backup when I travel.


OH! And these broken phones don't include two Galxy S5s that are at the bottom of lakes and one Sony Experia Z that fell off the cab of my truck at 75MPH and was hit by a Semi. LOL!

As I said before, years ago these conversations were unnecessary. Manufacturers like Samsung provided tools like the Samsung Kies PC Suite (circa Galaxy S1 to to Galaxy S5 on Kitkat) to allow backups. However over the years, it's become apparent that phones need to be more idiot proof. You're a PC Tech, so I wonder if you've seen anyone come to you and say they accidentally deleted something important in their PC by going into the Windows installation folders and were able to because they were admin (which, from reading the horror stories on the net, it seems likely you had). That was almost a daily occurrence in old Android days. People buy cheap phones then they delete stuff they don't understand with too little memory and then delete stuff because they think it's unneeded and end up with a paperweight. Over the years, more and more restrictions have been put in place and this is the result.

However, with a more modern phone, nearly full cloud backup is available, including your setups. In some cases your issues is because you're using an older phone when these features were not yet in place. For example, Samsung Cloud was only released for the S7 onwards (not sure if S6 got it, but I already got the S7 Edge for like several months before that launched). That created an online backup of your phone, including settings and layout on the Samsung launcher in the cloud. So signing in into a new phone essentially creates a near copy of the phone except for certain secured apps.

Phones also need more security than PCs. It's easier to lose or steal a phone, and it contains several sensitive information inside it, which also makes it more restrictive.

In my experience though, moving from an S7 Edge to an S9 was completely flawless. Just plugged the S9 to PC, restored from my latest backup, and boom was ready to go. I don't have any app that doesn't do cloud save anyway.
 
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As I said before, years ago these conversations were unnecessary. Manufacturers like Samsung provided tools like the Samsung Kies PC Suite (circa Galaxy S1 to to Galaxy S5 on Kitkat) to allow backups. However over the years, it's become apparent that phones need to be more idiot proof. You're a PC Tech, so I wonder if you've seen anyone come to you and say they accidentally deleted something important in their PC by going into the Windows installation folders and were able to because they were admin (which, from reading the horror stories on the net, it seems likely you had). That was almost a daily occurrence in old Android days. People buy cheap phones then they delete stuff they don't understand with too little memory and then delete stuff because they think it's unneeded and end up with a paperweight. Over the years, more and more restrictions have been put in place and this is the result.

However, with a more modern phone, nearly full cloud backup is available, including your setups. In some cases your issues is because you're using an older phone when these features were not yet in place. For example, Samsung Cloud was only released for the S7 onwards (not sure if S6 got it, but I already got the S7 Edge for like several months before that launched). That created an online backup of your phone, including settings and layout on the Samsung launcher in the cloud. So signing in into a new phone essentially creates a near copy of the phone except for certain secured apps.

Phones also need more security than PCs. It's easier to lose or steal a phone, and it contains several sensitive information inside it, which also makes it more restrictive.

In my experience though, moving from an S7 Edge to an S9 was completely flawless. Just plugged the S9 to PC, restored from my latest backup, and boom was ready to go. I don't have any app that doesn't do cloud save anyway.


I used to use Kies on my PC. Talk about your total piece of crap software. I never had it ever function successfully, especially if I was moving to a new phone of a different model. And talk about SLOOOW and boggy.

The S6 Active does offer samsung cloud backup. I have never tried it because it seemed like an exercise in Redundancy. It really bugs me that when I buy a phone, it comes preloaded with redundant apps from three different companies that are all trying to get you to use THEIR system which offer the same basic functions. Samsung, Google and AT&T all want you to use THEIR Backup service, Mapping Service etc, etc, etc. I buy a phone with 3 GB of ram that comes preloaded with TRIPLE REDUNDANT crapware using up most of the ram.

I understand that there are a lot of people that commit ID-10-T errors. But do you know what happens when you idiot proof the world? You end up with a world full of idiots. When I was a kid growing up in Mexico, I could buy firecrackers at pretty much any store 365 days a year. I am not talking about these wimpy little Black Cats they sell here in the US. I am talking about stuff that could blow your hand clean off. There was no restrictions to buy these things. Me and all my Mexican buddies (around 10 years old) would buy a bag full every week and blow stuff up (like old metal automobile oil cans. Yes, I am that old!). Every other kid I knew of played with firecrackers all their life in Mexico growing up. Not once did I see anyone lose a finger, an eye, burn a house down, start a forest fire, etc, etc, etc. Now you take the US where fireworks are highly restricted for "Public Safety". Each year during the 4th of July season when they are allowed, tens of thousands of fireworks related injuries are reported, houses burnt down, thousands of acres of land are burnt down, etc.

So why is this? It is like I said, when you idiot proof the world, you end up with a world full of idiots. I chose Android, because it was NOT Apple. I hate apple because it is exactly what you are describing; a place where idiots can feel safe because, "Mother Apple" is protecting them form their own stupidity. YUCK! And now you tell me that Android is doing the same thing! Double YUCK! People only learn when they SUFFER consequences for being stupid. If they never suffer, they have no incentive to learn to take responsibility for their own self. Bottom line. Suffering makes people smarter! JMHO

I need a way provide full back ups for my 6S active. I was stupid to trust Google to do that for me. I have suffered for being stupid, and now I want to take responsibility and make sure this does not happen again. So tell me how Samsung Backup is different then Google Backup? Google "CLAIMS" to backup your phone, but does not work. Kies also "CLAIMED" to provide complete backups, but like google, it also did not work reliably, or at all. Samsung offers a New Phone Transfer service when you first set a new phone up by placing the old phone and the new phone back to back, I have never once got this system to work, So that is a waste of time.

But let's get down to the brass tacks here. When a say "Backup", I mean "State of being backup", not "Data Backup". What I want is way to restore my phone to the exact state it was, including all my personalization. What do I mean by "Personalization"? Well, for example, I use my phone for business, not fun. I use very few of the apps that come on a phone. I use business apps like, CamScanner (business receipts), Aquamail (manage 10 different email accounts), Acar (automobile expense tracker), etc, etc. When I get a new phone I pretty much delete all games, disable all redundant apps and non-essential apps, and delete all the icons on the home screen (desktop) and replace them with only the apps that I want, in the exact order I want them. I have one home screen dedicated to nothing but Contact Picture Icons of the people that I call most frequently all ordered in an exact order of priority. Bottom line, it takes me 8 to 10 hours of work to setup a new phone exactly the way I want it. I don't want to have to do that every time my phone breaks and I get a different phone.

When I get a new PC, after I get it all set up (days of work), I create a full back up image of that state and call it, "Bare bones backup with all apps installed", then I set up a periodic incremental monthly backup system that keeps an incrementally updated image of my computer. I also have triple redundant critical data backups that back up all critical data and images to a second internal drive, and then is backed up to an external drive that is not connected to the computer at the time of the backup, after a complete deep security scan has been performed. This external hard drive is stored in a fire proof safe. I also have cloud backup. So basically, my hard drive could crash, my house could burn down and a hurricane could wash way the debris and I could build a new computer and be up and running with everything configured exactly the way I want in less then an hour. This is what I want for my phone, but it seems that nobody else has every thought of this out of the billions of people that use phones out there. Go figure.
 
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So you're basically bitching about the backup support from one particular smart-phone manufacturer, Samsung, and one of their older devices that's no longer supported, an S6 active... OK.

Can't really comment about Google backup, as it's not available here, and full data backup for everyone is provided free of charge by the Communist Party of China.
 
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I used to use Kies on my PC. Talk about your total piece of crap software. I never had it ever function successfully, especially if I was moving to a new phone of a different model. And talk about SLOOOW and boggy.

The S6 Active does offer samsung cloud backup. I have never tried it because it seemed like an exercise in Redundancy. It really bugs me that when I buy a phone, it comes preloaded with redundant apps from three different companies that are all trying to get you to use THEIR system which offer the same basic functions. Samsung, Google and AT&T all want you to use THEIR Backup service, Mapping Service etc, etc, etc. I buy a phone with 3 GB of ram that comes preloaded with TRIPLE REDUNDANT crapware using up most of the ram.

I understand that there are a lot of people that commit ID-10-T errors. But do you know what happens when you idiot proof the world? You end up with a world full of idiots. When I was a kid growing up in Mexico, I could buy firecrackers at pretty much any store 365 days a year. I am not talking about these wimpy little Black Cats they sell here in the US. I am talking about stuff that could blow your hand clean off. There was no restrictions to buy these things. Me and all my Mexican buddies (around 10 years old) would buy a bag full every week and blow stuff up (like old metal automobile oil cans. Yes, I am that old!). Every other kid I knew of played with firecrackers all their life in Mexico growing up. Not once did I see anyone lose a finger, an eye, burn a house down, start a forest fire, etc, etc, etc. Now you take the US where fireworks are highly restricted for "Public Safety". Each year during the 4th of July season when they are allowed, tens of thousands of fireworks related injuries are reported, houses burnt down, thousands of acres of land are burnt down, etc.

So why is this? It is like I said, when you idiot proof the world, you end up with a world full of idiots. I chose Android, because it was NOT Apple. I hate apple because it is exactly what you are describing; a place where idiots can feel safe because, "Mother Apple" is protecting them form their own stupidity. YUCK! And now you tell me that Android is doing the same thing! Double YUCK! People only learn when they SUFFER consequences for being stupid. If they never suffer, they have no incentive to learn to take responsibility for their own self. Bottom line. Suffering makes people smarter! JMHO

I need a way provide full back ups for my 6S active. I was stupid to trust Google to do that for me. I have suffered for being stupid, and now I want to take responsibility and make sure this does not happen again. So tell me how Samsung Backup is different then Google Backup? Google "CLAIMS" to backup your phone, but does not work. Kies also "CLAIMED" to provide complete backups, but like google, it also did not work reliably, or at all. Samsung offers a New Phone Transfer service when you first set a new phone up by placing the old phone and the new phone back to back, I have never once got this system to work, So that is a waste of time.

But let's get down to the brass tacks here. When a say "Backup", I mean "State of being backup", not "Data Backup". What I want is way to restore my phone to the exact state it was, including all my personalization. What do I mean by "Personalization"? Well, for example, I use my phone for business, not fun. I use very few of the apps that come on a phone. I use business apps like, CamScanner (business receipts), Aquamail (manage 10 different email accounts), Acar (automobile expense tracker), etc, etc. When I get a new phone I pretty much delete all games, disable all redundant apps and non-essential apps, and delete all the icons on the home screen (desktop) and replace them with only the apps that I want, in the exact order I want them. I have one home screen dedicated to nothing but Contact Picture Icons of the people that I call most frequently all ordered in an exact order of priority. Bottom line, it takes me 8 to 10 hours of work to setup a new phone exactly the way I want it. I don't want to have to do that every time my phone breaks and I get a different phone.

When I get a new PC, after I get it all set up (days of work), I create a full back up image of that state and call it, "Bare bones backup with all apps installed", then I set up a periodic incremental monthly backup system that keeps an incrementally updated image of my computer. I also have triple redundant critical data backups that back up all critical data and images to a second internal drive, and then is backed up to an external drive that is not connected to the computer at the time of the backup, after a complete deep security scan has been performed. This external hard drive is stored in a fire proof safe. I also have cloud backup. So basically, my hard drive could crash, my house could burn down and a hurricane could wash way the debris and I could build a new computer and be up and running with everything configured exactly the way I want in less then an hour. This is what I want for my phone, but it seems that nobody else has every thought of this out of the billions of people that use phones out there. Go figure.

1. Because you aren't using a Google Phone, you can't rely on Google. Google only backs up itself.
2. Samsung Kies was indeed crappy, but if you got it to work, it did. I never had problems with it. But that's because I have unaltered Samsung software. You have to consider carrier intereference. For example, Verizon is known to cripple Samsung Cloud and Google Backup to force you to use their own inferior software backup.
3. This is not Windows.
4. This is not a PC.
5. It is possible, without root. You just need the proper tools.
6. As I said, you don't need to take 8 to 10 hours. Just use the proper tools.
7. I already told you what tools to use, yet you continue on complaining instead of trying them out.
8. I understand the frustration, but I also can't see the issue when I have an easy time to migrate to a new phone. Heck my non techie mom is able to migrate phones faster than you and all her settings carry over just by using Samsung's Smart Switch backup.
9. Just root it. You seem to be techie enough to do it.
 
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It seems that you break a lot of phones. If I were like that I'd make sure I took regular backups (use Smart Switch, Helium, whatever) and that I could see that they were backing up what is important to me, not just assume that some manufacturer's cloud would do it (but sure, turn that on as well, and have automated backups of messages, photos etc: all that stuff exists and works).

If you want something equivalent to an image of your phone you need to install a custom recovery and then make those backups yourself. And of course copy them off the phone (onto SD isn't enough, as those things break or end up at the bottom of the lake with the phone). You say that you do such things with a PC, same principle. And as with a PC, most owners don't know how to do it or even that it's possible, so just as that took a little learning on your part this is the same. But bear in mind that restoring it to a different phone will be limited, and will require that phone to be rooted and specific apps installed.

One big difference between phones and PCs is that phones are less generic. A lot of your settings are specific to your current phone and wouldn't work with a new one. So backing up photos, messages, that's fine. Apps and app data yes, but more work due to the security measures. But all of your settings and customisations, not really because most of that is only compatible if you want to restore to the same phone. So my advice is to use whatever works best for backing up your app data (I don't have Samsung phones, so have used Helium myself on unrooted devices, plus separate backups of contacts, messages etc and manual backup of my own files), and forget about personalisations, just do those again on your next phone.

BTW I assume you are being ironic when you refer to a desktop PC as "the glory of computing"? I'll grant that they are less of a pain to work with than a Cray (and I'm not unhappy to have left those things behind), but they are still toys in terms of real computing ;).
 
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So you're basically bitching about the backup support from one particular smart-phone manufacturer, Samsung, and one of their older devices that's no longer supported, an S6 active... OK.

Can't really comment about Google backup, as it's not available here, and full data backup for everyone is provided free of charge by the Communist Party of China.


I love how people love to try to use the "Older Phone" ploy to blame all problems on. Go ahead sheeple and you just keep buying into to the "Newer is Better" carrot that the Waste and Churn industry is using to control you and keep you begging for scraps. One day you will wake up and realize that they will never ever truly fix the problems because they would not have anything to keep leading you to buy their next product. In order to assure that you HAVE to buy their next product they stop releasing update so that your phone will become less secure. One begins to wonder if it is not the tech industry itself that is creating the viruses that scare people to upgrade to stay secure, because without them, there would be no reason at all to upgrade.

One day, they will release a smartphone that is powered and charged by ambient light and they will sell it to you as the latest and greats "New Thing on the Market". And then you will take it home and set it down next to your office calculator that has been running off of ambient light energy since the 1970s; and you will still not realize how you have been duped, suckered and brainwashed.

I have a advanced digital watch with tons of features on my arm right now that I have owned for 6 years. It has never once needed a charge or a battery.


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It seems that you break a lot of phones. If I were like that I'd make sure I took regular backups (use Smart Switch, Helium, whatever) and that I could see that they were backing up what is important to me, not just assume that some manufacturer's cloud would do it (but sure, turn that on as well, and have automated backups of messages, photos etc: all that stuff exists and works).

If you want something equivalent to an image of your phone you need to install a custom recovery and then make those backups yourself. And of course copy them off the phone (onto SD isn't enough, as those things break or end up at the bottom of the lake with the phone). You say that you do such things with a PC, same principle. And as with a PC, most owners don't know how to do it or even that it's possible, so just as that took a little learning on your part this is the same. But bear in mind that restoring it to a different phone will be limited, and will require that phone to be rooted and specific apps installed.

One big difference between phones and PCs is that phones are less generic. A lot of your settings are specific to your current phone and wouldn't work with a new one. So backing up photos, messages, that's fine. Apps and app data yes, but more work due to the security measures. But all of your settings and customisations, not really because most of that is only compatible if you want to restore to the same phone. So my advice is to use whatever works best for backing up your app data (I don't have Samsung phones, so have used Helium myself on unrooted devices, plus separate backups of contacts, messages etc and manual backup of my own files), and forget about personalisations, just do those again on your next phone.

BTW I assume you are being ironic when you refer to a desktop PC as "the glory of computing"? I'll grant that they are less of a pain to work with than a Cray (and I'm not unhappy to have left those things behind), but they are still toys in terms of real computing ;).

Finally, someone who understands me. Yes! I will look into these things such as Smart Switch, Helium and others, but since nothing else I have ever tried rally worked (Kies, Google backup), I am not willing to trust them simply because they "CLAIM" to do what I want. The smartphone industry is full of hollow claims and have baked software and hardware that is rolled out too soon trying to compete. Nobody has any commitment dedication to quality and perfection anymore because the industry is moving to fast.

As far as my statement about Desktop PCs being the Glory of Computing. I was serious, but I should have made clear that I was talking about "Personal Computing", not industrial computing (Cray) or Government/Military Computing (Quantum). Desktop PCs are the Glory of Personal computing because they are............. STANDARDIZED and PLUG & PLAY! I just upgraded my old desktop. If it was a smartphone, upgrading would mean I bought a newer model phone, but not with a desktop. I only replaced the CPU, GPU, Motherboard, and Ram. I was able to reuse my 10 year old case, 5 SSDs & HDDs, 800 watt PSU and everything else, because they are all STANDARDIZED. Here is a list of the upgrade parts I ordered.

1. AMD Ryzen 5 2600 Processor:
2. MSI Arsenal Gaming Motherboard:
3. EVGA GeForce GTX 1050 GPU:
4. Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB:

This system now scores in the 88% on the Passmark Benchmark. That means it is faster then 88% of the PC computers in the world.

You see, you can't do this with a smartphone, tablet and most laptops, because they are not Standardized, and they are not plug&play, and they are not built to be pieced together of random parts form different manufacturers and work. There are some parts that are replaceable on some laptops, but not anywhere close to the complete standardization that allows you to customize a Desktop PC to your will. With a Desktop, if any one piece breaks, you just replace THAT piece. You don't have to replace the whole unit. This is is what makes the DESKTOP the glory of personal computing.
 
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So I tried out Smart Switch on my wife's phone to see how it worked. Complete garbage! Why is it the samasung cannot make a decent piece of backup software. I used Smart Switch to transfer from my wife's Galaxy S5 to a Galaxy S6. It took four hours! It crashed several times and had to be restarted. After hours, it finally finished. It pretty much did not do anything AT ALL! It did not copy any her phone's settings, it did not copy her app settings, it did not copy anything but a few apps and her SMS log. I still had to go back through a set her phone up just like it did nothing. I had to log back into every single app as if I had installed it new from the app store. I don't know what it did in all those hours it took, but I can't see much of anything.

Okay guys, if Smart Switch is the best there is for Samasung phones, then there is NOTHING. Smart Switch is a joke! A complete waste of time. My wife's phone is simple compared to the how complex my setup is.
 
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