The iPhone SE is Faster Than Every Android Phone

svim · May 1, 2020

Interesting factoid but I personally prefer to not get entrapped in Apple's walled garden. The Android platform is far from perfect but when it comes to any iDevice the vendor-lock in factor is just too extreme.

Bearsyzf · May 1, 2020

i agree with @svim

Brian Masinick · May 2, 2020

Bearsyzf said:
i agree with @svim

Me too. I've never owned any Apple products but I have tried them in stores or helped someone who had a problem figuring something out. The interface is very consistent and I understand why some people prefer it. To me though I prefer to be able to make modifications once in a while and I am much more comfortable with an Android version, particularly one that sticks closely to the pure Android interface.

GamerROMInc · May 2, 2020

Lol they saying iPhone see is faster then any other Android phone is a bunch of lies

svim · May 2, 2020

I wouldn't doubt the SE is currently faster than any Android offering but that's the kind of thing that's always based just on pure numbers. Without any context it's just click-bait for the marketing departments to intentionally manipulate people to read their crap.

Independent bench marking studies have consistently shown iPhones have an advantage over Android phones, but it's important to keep in mind that speed isn't the most important aspect to focus upon, and that different bench marking utilities gauge their findings using a lot of different metrics. Some are more graphics-based, some more processor-based and since everyone uses their phones in different ways to do different things (which directly correlates with one metric or another), there is no realistic, comprehensive way to sum things up in a way that meets every scenario.

Apple has the advantage where it has very tight control over both the hardware and software that make up every iPhone. So an iPhone is going to be a highly optimized device running in a highly curated environment. Android on the other hand is much more generic with a base operating system that has to work with countless variations of hardware configurations, while remaining flexible enough to work within a very diverse environment. It's a proven way to fool people that fastest is best but speed is actually very subjective. I don't care how fast a phone is if it doesn't allow me to do what I want.

dontpanicbobby · May 2, 2020

Faster at what?

jhtalisman · May 2, 2020

Draining your wallet.

Hadron · May 3, 2020

dontpanicbobby said:
Faster at what?

I'd be amazed if it didn't beat all Android devices on on-screen graphic benchmarks, and the iPhone 11 range as well. The A13 has a better GPU than Qualcomm, Samsung, Huawei or MediaTek's SoCs, and the 4.7" "retina" display has fewer Pixels than any high-end Android or the higher-end iPhones, so it ought to win on-screen gpu performance comfortably. Off-screen it should be comarable to the iPhone 11 range (sustained performance will depend on heat dissipation in the different cases).

The question is whether the SoC is clocked the same as in the iPhone 11 series? The blogs were reporting that it was down-clocked the other week, but Anandtech's testing shows identical cpu frequency tracking to the iPhone 11 pro.

Let's be honest, if you aren't allergic to the idea of having top & bottom bezels, and are happy with the constraints that iOS brings, it's a very solid offering. I can't think of any Android manufacturer that is offering flagship-level internals in a one hand usable package at that price, and where you can find flagship-level SoCs at a comparable price (some of Xiaomi's devices) they will not get anything like the software support this will. Yes, they are using a recycled design and probably most of the internals as well, so the development costs of this will be low, but if any Android manufacturer is up for that approach I'm not going to object.

mikedt · May 3, 2020

The site is showing a your IP address is banned message.

Anyone care to post what rest of this 9to5mac article states?

Hadron · May 3, 2020

mikedt said:
Anyone care to post what this 9to5mac article states?

From 9to5Mac:

Apple officially released the new iPhone SE earlier this month, and Tim Cook says the company is seeing a positive response from reviewers and customers alike. Cook touted that the iPhone SE packs a great value and is “faster than the fastest Android phones.”

Cook’s comments came in response to a question about how well the new iPhone SE might sell in specific geographic areas. Cook said that while it could “even better” in areas with lower median incomes, he expects it to attract a “fair number” of Android switchers as well.

The benefit of the iPhone SE, Cook explained, is that it packs the “engine” of the iPhone 11 inside a smaller and more affordable form factor:

“It plays in every geo, but I would expect to see it doing even better where the median incomes are less. I’d expect some fair number of people switching over to iOS. It’s an unbelievable offer. It’s the engine of our top phones, in a very affordable package, and it’s faster than the fastest Android phones. It’s an exceptional value.”

Cook was also asked whether the new iPhone SE is part of Apple’s plans to adjust the pricing structure of the iPhone lineup. He disputed this, instead saying that Apple has always tried to deliver strong products at good prices:

“We’ve always been about delivering the best product at a good price. That fundamental strategy has not changed at all. As you know, we did have an SE for a while. It’s great to bring it back, it was a beloved product. I wouldn’t read anything into it other than that we want to give people the best deal that we can while making the best product.”

Brian Masinick · May 3, 2020

svim said:
I wouldn't doubt the SE is currently faster than any Android offering but that's the kind of thing that's always based just on pure numbers. Without any context it's just click-bait for the marketing departments to intentionally manipulate people to read their crap.

Independent bench marking studies have consistently shown iPhones have an advantage over Android phones, but it's important to keep in mind that speed isn't the most important aspect to focus upon, and that different bench marking utilities gauge their findings using a lot of different metrics. Some are more graphics-based, some more processor-based and since everyone uses their phones in different ways to do different things (which directly correlates with one metric or another), there is no realistic, comprehensive way to sum things up in a way that meets every scenario.

Apple has the advantage where it has very tight control over both the hardware and software that make up every iPhone. So an iPhone is going to be a highly optimized device running in a highly curated environment. Android on the other hand is much more generic with a base operating system that has to work with countless variations of hardware configurations, while remaining flexible enough to work within a very diverse environment. It's a proven way to fool people that fastest is best but speed is actually very subjective. I don't care how fast a phone is if it doesn't allow me to do what I want.

Very perceptive comments.

I'm sure that the Apple models are high quality, consistent units with some appealing features.

I've used a few Apple products, either evaluating them in a store or witnessed people who have them. I have no questions about their value and indeed many people love the products.

I, on the other hand, prefer very nimble, flexible systems. Sometimes they are even quirky, but their features have considerable value to me because they can do things that other systems cannot do.

On computers, my Linux systems can run on equipment that many people put on the curb.

Similarly I am able to get good life with phones that could not possibly work on an Apple phone because they have a mixed set of interfaces and features. That's what works for me. I like a variety of features, I like to be able to change the defaults to they do what I want.

I'm glad that both Apple and Android exist because choices are valuable.

MrJavi · May 3, 2020

jhtalisman said:
Draining your wallet.

good one. I also prefer Android over ithing. Apple is just to restrictive for my taste (closed source).

Steven58 · May 7, 2020

I honestly wouldn't expect Tim Cooke to say anything positive about Android. It's his job to promote Apple. He does a mediocre job at it. Apple lost a lot when they lost Steve Jobs.

Nothing burger, here.

yule dee · May 12, 2020

under Cook, Apple has lacked innovation. Under Jobs, Apple came out with the iPod, iTunes, MacBook Air, iPhone, iPad. Under Cook, it came out with the Apple Watch, which came after plenty of Android watches - so the only leap has been AirPods.

Lack of innovation is ultimately what kills companies, particularly technology ones. :rob:

Hadron · May 12, 2020

yule dee said:
under Cook, Apple has lacked innovation. Under Jobs, Apple came out with the iPod, iTunes, MacBook Air, iPhone, iPad. Under Cook, it came out with the Apple Watch, which came after plenty of Android watches - so the only leap has been AirPods.

The iPod came after many other portable mp3 players. Being first is frequently not the deciding factor in success, which both Apple and Samsung understand very well.

Anyway I'm still not sure what innovation there is in the mobile space from anyone. Folding phones count, though that one's been on the radar for a long time and the current devices are a bit first generation still. Otherwise there's, what? The move to full screen displays is something that most of the industry did at the same time, so I don't think anyone can claim credit. Multiple cameras are a trend more than an innovation (and again you can find examples long before it became a mainstream) - really the biggest improvement in phone cameras has been better software. I'd still rather have a fingerprint scanner than a face id system, and a proper one rather than some manufacturer's implementation of an under-screen one. Holes in displays for selfie cameras are "innovation" in the way that removing the headphone jack is (i.e. a mistake, which in the case of the headphone jack a couple of manufacturers have already reversed). It still all seems very incremental to me really. The reality though is that phones are mature products and so this is to be expected.

A real innovation would be something that did away with the hand-held phone, but we aren't there yet.

And in what sense are airpods a "leap"? Bluetooth earphones, so what?

dontpanicbobby · May 12, 2020

All that is past what human vision uses isn't it?
What's the point; it's not like we're counting pixels.

Steven58 · May 12, 2020

Hadron said:
Anyway I'm still not sure what innovation there is in the mobile space from anyone.

Good point. My thought is that folks, mostly men, are tired of picking their own noses. A nose picking phone that really gets up in there is the "Next Big Thing" So, with all due respect and honor due you as a an experienced techie, YOU'RE WRONG! I feel so much better.

Hadron · May 25, 2020

burbigo said:
I already had an iPhone and already had an Android, and Apple Devices are way better for me

It depends on what you are after. I generally like the hardware, but I just find the iOS interface irritatingly old-fashioned and inflexible (it reminds me of a 1990s PDA every time I use one), and to be honest having to go to a central place to change many apps' settings is clumsy (and not even consistent, since some apps do have their settings within the app). But 2 of my brothers use iPhones. The truth is that either platform could do anything that any user actually needs, so it's just a matter of personal preference.

mikedt · May 25, 2020

I'm just seeing a "Your IP address is banned" message from the 9to5mac site. Anyone care to post what the "read more" actually says.

dontpanicbobby · May 25, 2020

I think a really good nose picking phone would be to skinny for my hands. But if it had a flexible pullout screen with that speaker/screen technology and a sub-woofer in the base of the nose picking module i might be interested.

Hadron · May 25, 2020

mikedt said:
I'm just seeing a "Your IP address is banned" message from the 9to5mac site. Anyone care to post what the "read more" actually says.

It honestly says virtually nothing more than the headline.

This is the entire article:

Apple officially released the new iPhone SE earlier this month, and Tim Cook says the company is seeing a positive response from reviewers and customers alike. Cook touted that the iPhone SE packs a great value and is “faster than the fastest Android phones.”

Cook’s comments came in response to a question about how well the new iPhone SE might sell in specific geographic areas. Cook said that while it could “even better” in areas with lower median incomes, he expects it to attract a “fair number” of Android switchers as well.

The benefit of the iPhone SE, Cook explained, is that it packs the “engine” of the iPhone 11 inside a smaller and more affordable form factor:

“It plays in every geo, but I would expect to see it doing even better where the median incomes are less. I’d expect some fair number of people switching over to iOS. It’s an unbelievable offer. It’s the engine of our top phones, in a very affordable package, and it’s faster than the fastest Android phones. It’s an exceptional value.”

Cook was also asked whether the new iPhone SE is part of Apple’s plans to adjust the pricing structure of the iPhone lineup. He disputed this, instead saying that Apple has always tried to deliver strong products at good prices:

“We’ve always been about delivering the best product at a good price. That fundamental strategy has not changed at all. As you know, we did have an SE for a while. It’s great to bring it back, it was a beloved product. I wouldn’t read anything into it other than that we want to give people the best deal that we can while making the best product.”

discreet · May 31, 2020

Many comments from people who never used an iOS device. Here you can see a test showing how the SE is faster than Galaxy S10e:

The comparison is a little unfair since the iPhone has less pixels to render but you can find similar video showing the iPhone XS against another Android phone and the result is the same; iPhones are faster than Android phones.

I'm switching from iOS because I'm looking for more control for my device. I will install GrapheneOS in my Pixel 3.

MrJavi · May 31, 2020

The lack of security is concerning.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.fo...one-11-pro-max-u-iphone-xs-max-xr-update/amp/

mike connor · Jun 29, 2020

yule dee said:
under Cook, Apple has lacked innovation. Under Jobs, Apple came out with the iPod, iTunes, MacBook Air, iPhone, iPad. Under Cook, it came out with the Apple Watch, which came after plenty of Android watches - so the only leap has been AirPods.

Lack of innovation is ultimately what kills companies, particularly technology ones.

Hewlett Packard comes to mind

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