The grass is always greener (Inc & EVO)

gmaellex01 said:

Nice post, OP. Yeah, it's sort of a coin toss as to which one is better.

On a related note, I just today realized what amazing resolution my inc has. It's no wonder I like using it so much, it has nearly the same resolution as my laptop!

In any case, anyone who's thinking's one is objectively better than the other is deluded. It's a matter of preference between two very similar phones.

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Exactly, who cares. Seriously.

wase4711 said:

sorry kids, I didnt mean to use capital letters if that is what bothered you'
Not trolling either; I suffered for 29 days with 2 horrible incredibles, and wasted many many many hours on the phone with HTC, and verizon, trying to get them to help me, or replace my phone, but they couldn't do either; at least, in the end, they both admitted there are some serious problems with the Incredibles, and they are working feverishly to get some updates and patches out to fix the phone call quality and horrible reception issues that a large number of people are having..
Insecure....NOT, a former Incredible owner who went through phone hell for 30 days..YES, that would be me

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I'm in the same boat. I still have my Dinc within my 30 days, but purchased the EVO today. The sound quality is like night and day. Now I have to decide; keep the Dinc and hope they have an update or replacement soon - or keep the Evo, with a screen I think is too big, but doesn't sound garbled.

This thread is getting out of hand. Can't we all just get along? Who cares if someone likes a phone more than yours.

woop said:

This thread is getting out of hand. Can't we all just get along? Who cares if someone likes a phone more than yours.

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Because people looking for insight often read these forums to determine which phone is for them. And this is the exact type of thread that would get someone in that position's attention. If people throw out incorrect and/or biased info, it may (and often does) turn people in the wrong direction. I could not care less who likes and does not like the Incredible, the EVO, the iPhone, or a StarTac. I just don't like to see unnecessary bashing occur on a product I stand by. HTC and Verizon have been very good to me, so I stand up for their services/products when I can.

Gee, way to turn a good thread bad.... I think everyone owes the OP an apology for trashing it.

Please stick to the topic, keep it pertinent, civil and concise, and stop looking for arguments when none exist.

Slug said:

Gee, way to turn a good thread bad.... I think everyone owes the OP an apology for trashing it.

Please stick to the topic, keep it pertinent, civil and concise, and stop looking for arguments when none exist.

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i dont owe anyone squat except my mortgage lender

The true answer in Evo vs Incredible is whichever carrier you have. If you aren't on either, see which carrier is better in your area. If they're equal, flip a coin. These phones are just too similar for all this chatter about which is best.

Same company, same OS, same proc, mostly similar specs. We're not talking Inc vs Droid or iPhone here.

jamor said:

I stopped reading at "lol this thread is full of fail."

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I stopped reading once I saw it was IOWA posting again

Lefort1 said:

I stopped reading once I saw it was IOWA posting again

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+1...Anyone who blatantly disrespects a mod has a level of class all their own.

IOWA said:

i dont owe anyone squat except my mortgage lender

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I have stuck up for you on many occasions, even when you were about to be banned. This last comment of yours though....it's the straw that broke the camels back.

Guess what? You DO OWE the staff and members here something, it's called decency and respect. When you decided to join AF you agreed to OUR guidelines and zero tolerance policy. You have crossed the line more times then I can remember and continue to test everyone's patience with your snide remarks and smart ass replies. Just because you know a lot doesn't you can do whatever you want around here. Either straighten up or take your fountain of knowledge somewhere else.

Couple things

1: Video calling looks badass, but really, a majority of people don't want to look at each other when they talk on the phone. We're all busy driving, making dinner, talking through bluetooth, don't feel like staring at someone while talking and most people you know won't even have a phone with a front facing camera. Most of us have webcams built into our computers yet we don't go on skype everytime we need to talk to someone online. This is too new for the mainstream. The geeky will embrace this and video call each other to say "look! We can do this!" but this isn't a defining feature to buy a phone. Not in my eyes anyway

2: The shitty video quality of the fake hd capture the EVO has shocked the hell out of me. I've seen nokia hd videos and when htc announced hd recording, most people instantly thought "holy crap, i'm gonna get flipcam quality! At least". But the sample videos on phonedog's youtube channel comparing evo's camera quality to the incredible just confirmed it. "HD" is the new buzzword for cell phones like the megapixel crap. 8 megapixels doesn't mean it takes a better quality picture when it has bad optics. "HD" is misleading at this point

And to all those (all those? Or 1 guy?) bashing users on here for sticking by verizon's network because it works for them, zip it. I don't think anybody on here went on a tirade against sprint's network and how verizon's is so much better. We all just acknowledge that verizon works well for us and that's why the incredible was a better choice.

The Incredible is a phone too ?!?!?!?!?!

I like both the Inc and the Evo. I'd take a swift kick in the jimmy before I'd move to Sprint. The slightly bigger screen of the Evo is cool, but side by side, it didn't look as good. The front facing camera is cool, but I'd never use it, the 720p is spiffy, and it would be fun to play with.

I'd be happy with either phone though. It all comes down to the carrier with me, and I like to both wander around, and have service, at the same time.

Foolish Mortal said:

I like both the Inc and the Evo. I'd take a swift kick in the jimmy before I'd move to Sprint. The slightly bigger screen of the Evo is cool, but side by side, it didn't look as good. The front facing camera is cool, but I'd never use it, the 720p is spiffy, and it would be fun to play with.

I'd be happy with either phone though. It all comes down to the carrier with me, and I like to both wander around, and have service, at the same time.

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You nailed it. Both phones are great for different reasons. Keep in mind, the EVO just came out. I'm sure, depending on where you live, people are going to have call issues and other issues. I never had an issue with call quality with my Incredible. Maybe I'm just lucky.

The phones aside, the provider is the real determining factor for me. I have VZW for my personal cell and my employer provides me with a sprint cellphone. I am always able to make a call from both in my area. Sprint's signal is not as strong, for me. I tend to drop calls in my house with sprint. Does this make me a "VZW" fanboy - No. It makes me a "who provides me with better service" fanboy. If sprints service was better I would have switched. In the words of Forest Gump "That's all I have to say about that"!

wase4711 said:

Not trolling either; I suffered for 29 days with 2 horrible incredibles, and wasted many many many hours on the phone with HTC, and verizon, trying to get them to help me, or replace my phone, but they couldn't do either; at least, in the end, they both admitted there are some serious problems with the Incredibles, and they are working feverishly to get some updates and patches out to fix the phone call quality and horrible reception issues that a large number of people are having..
Insecure....NOT, a former Incredible owner who went through phone hell for 30 days..YES, that would be me

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wase4711 said:

All I know is that the Incredible was an "incredible" disappointment to alot of people, myself included, and, if a phone cant make phone calls, like the incredible can/could NOT, its not much of a phone...you're kidding yourself if you think that the INC has good phone call /reception quality..

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I'm sorry, but were you not the same person that came into the "On/off Button thread" I started just 3 weeks ago, jumping on everyone that was upset about that issue they were having with their Incredible?

You then did the very mature thing and apologized (which I thought was nice of you) and went on about the phenomenon on forums where someone incites others into believing there is a problem that isn't really a problem at all.

I hate to state the obvious here, but as per the quotes of you above, you have done a 180 and now the Incredible is inferior? First you label people idiots and whiners for complaining about an issue with the Incredible and then you come here touting what a crappy phone it is? Personally I believe everyone is entitled to their opinion but you reversed your stance completely from just a few weeks ago...Maybe, just maybe this is why some are calling you a troll?

I know you are better and more mature than that!!!

MisterMixelpix said:

The problem is that a lot of Inc owners did so under the assumption that they had the "best phone ever". So just like iPhone owners, they react with derision when that status is threatened.

No one seems to be able to just enjoy what they have.

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So true, and then when anyone points out the flaw (in their opinion), people go on the attack.

MisterMixelpix said:

Anyone whose purchase wasn't hinging on the notion that it's the latest and greatest.
It may come as a shock to some, but I know plenty of people who are still buying Erises and Droids not because they think "THIS IS THE TOP OF THE MOUNTAIN", but because they just prefer them.
If it's hard for you to "admit" that another phone is better than yours, then you might want to avoid looking at anything online after you purchase it, because in six months there's gonna be something better. Next year? Our Incs are gonna be pretty old hat.

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This is also true. That goes for any phone period.

Now I have read and re-read this thread to get a better understanding of it and I do not see anywhere where Iowa is coming off as a troll or disrespecting anyone. What I do see is a bunch of people on the attack just because he posts in a thread. Whatever your reasons I really don't freaking care. It needs to stop and stop soon.

As for fanboys and fanboyism, ha. Everyone is a fanboy in one shape or form. Some are quiet about it and others are loud and proud. But from a moderating stand point, we see way more reported posts of disrespectful, flaming and troll like posts from the Incredible crowd than any other section in AF. That alone says a lot. The OP had to re-edit his original post because it came across as fanboyism as well. Now mind you, we all have passion about our phones and thats okay, but lets not diverge from the bigger picture here, which is to have discussions about the good the bad and the ugly of our (and other) devices without having to resort to flaming, bashing or being disrespectful to your fellow AFer.

The bottom line which some have also failed to see, is that no phone is perfect no matter how much one wants to believe it. For me, I love my new EVO, but I can find many things that I do not like about it, the company, the service, the infrastructure and the industry in general. Saying that one phone, one service, one company, one network is better than the other is a matter of personal preference. Or in the case of the media, personal bias based on ads and hits being generated.

On the issue of the Incredible and the EVO, I find that both phones are outstanding. One may have one or more things that's better than the other and vice versa. Both have their place in the community. If all things were equal, in terms of calls, service, plans etc, The phones will still have to be debated to determine what YOU feel is best for your needs.

TS out

wase4711 said:

sorry [deleted] I didnt mean to use capital letters if that is what bothered you'
Not trolling either; I suffered for 29 days with 2 horrible incredibles, and wasted many many many hours on the phone with HTC, and verizon, trying to get them to help me, or replace my phone, but they couldn't do either; at least, in the end, they both admitted there are some serious problems with the Incredibles, and they are working feverishly to get some updates and patches out to fix the phone call quality and horrible reception issues that a large number of people are having..
Insecure....NOT, a former Incredible owner who went through phone hell for 30 days..YES, that would be me

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Whatever your reasons are, go back to EVO forum, talk to them. Please go enjoy your EVO. We are enjoying our Incs. Thank you.

twospirits said:

So true, and then when anyone points out the flaw (in their opinion), people go on the attack.

This is also true. That goes for any phone period.

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With all due respect, the post that started the argument was wase4711's where he said:

"you guys are definitely inc fanboys..the EVO blows it away especially in one critical area..

YOU CAN MAKE PHONE CALLS ON IT!!!

The phone sounds the way a cell phone should sound, NOT like you are underwater, speaking on an analog phone from 1995, the way my 2 incredibles did...
Its nice to be able to use the phone again.."

First of all, that is not stated as an "opinion." That is stating something as though it is a fact.

Secondly, knowing his audience, he knew what kind of responses he'd get in return. Hence his continued bashing of the phone, simply because he himself was not pleased (which is fine btw - I could not care less if some kid doesn't like the Incredible).

I do not think it's fair to call out those that responded to the people coming in and bashing the phone without calling out the provokers as well. There are ways to say things that don't create the hostility the anti-Incredible posters said.

And while I may disagree with you regarding who is to blame for the thread heading south, I do agree that the bottom line is it would be hard to be unhappy with either phone. I couldn't care less what phone others use, as long as it's got Android running on it. Like I said above, I like to support products and companies I fully believe in (hence my defense of VZW and HTC), and would hate to see people turned away from both phones, for an iPhone of all things, because of all the negativity. I do not think Sprint can be said to have better coverage than Verizon in most of the country, but indeed, you get more for your money, usually. Thus, depending on your priorities, it really is a toss up. I'd bet if both the Incredible and EVO were on the same network, consumers would be split on which phone they purchased, those here included.

Haelous said:

I'd rather have the extra internal storage than the slightly larger screen, if we're being purely objective. Wi-Fi Hotspot and 4G don't interest me.

Verizon and Sprint are about even in my area, but I get a 25% discount on Verizon and nothing on Sprint.

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I moved from Sprint to Verizon to get the Incredible because of coverage in my new work location. The Wi-Fi Hotspot did interest me and I kept second guessing myself about the decision to move until I found out I had to pay $30 more to use it.

Edit: I get VOICE and data inside of my work building with Verizon!!!

CRPercodani said:

I have stuck up for you on many occasions, even when you were about to be banned. This last comment of yours though....it's the straw that broke the camels back.

Guess what? You DO OWE the staff and members here something, it's called decency and respect. When you decided to join AF you agreed to OUR guidelines and zero tolerance policy. You have crossed the line more times then I can remember and continue to test everyone's patience with your snide remarks and smart ass replies. Just because you know a lot doesn't you can do whatever you want around here. Either straighten up or take your fountain of knowledge somewhere else.

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Excuse me?

Well I wrote a rather long-winded and strong worded post regarding your post, but I'm running it by phases first before I post, out of respect. (something he earned, btw)

Some people, I swear. I hope phases decides my post is Ok.

Now addressing other posts.

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fortesquieu said:

Whatever your reasons are, go back to EVO forum, talk to them. Please go enjoy your EVO. We are enjoying our Incs. Thank you.

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So wait, just because someone wants/likes/owns an evo they can't venture into other sub-forums? Who died and made you Admin....


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And to further address another issue. I'm interested in everything mobile. It's called being a mobile enthusiast. I'm interested in WebOs, Android, iPhoneOs(even though I don't like it), Symbian, WinMo, you get the point.

I also want to know what other carriers have vs. what I have, and if I see something thats wrong, I point it out.

Now usually people go on tangents or post-raid's saying "IOWA this or that", calling me a troll and such.

What is wrong with pointing out facts, flaws, and the good? What good is a review/advice if you don't give the good with the bad? And if you can't take constructive criticism, all I have to say is grow up. Seriously. And pointing out benefits and comparing Bad vs Bad vs Good vs Good on other carriers/phones/devices isn't a bad thing, and should actually be welcomed instead of people haphazardly dismissing the informations given, and, spewing incorrect rhetoric.

Whatever network works for other people may not work for you, and vice versa. But if the option is available, why do you find fault in pointing things like this out?

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SoulWeaponry said:

Couple things

1: Video calling looks badass, but really, a majority of people don't want to look at each other when they talk on the phone. We're all busy driving, making dinner, talking through bluetooth, don't feel like staring at someone while talking and most people you know won't even have a phone with a front facing camera. Most of us have webcams built into our computers yet we don't go on skype everytime we need to talk to someone online. This is too new for the mainstream. The geeky will embrace this and video call each other to say "look! We can do this!" but this isn't a defining feature to buy a phone. Not in my eyes anyway

2: The shitty video quality of the fake hd capture the EVO has shocked the hell out of me. I've seen nokia hd videos and when htc announced hd recording, most people instantly thought "holy crap, i'm gonna get flipcam quality! At least". But the sample videos on phonedog's youtube channel comparing evo's camera quality to the incredible just confirmed it. "HD" is the new buzzword for cell phones like the megapixel crap. 8 megapixels doesn't mean it takes a better quality picture when it has bad optics. "HD" is misleading at this point

And to all those (all those? Or 1 guy?) bashing users on here for sticking by verizon's network because it works for them, zip it. I don't think anybody on here went on a tirade against sprint's network and how verizon's is so much better. We all just acknowledge that verizon works well for us and that's why the incredible was a better choice.

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1.) Your right, for now. Video calling on a mobile is still a new thing for us in the USA, and it may or may not grow popular. Time will tell.

2.) Anyone who expects a real HD camcorder in a phone, well, I call them silly. That being said, until they start throwing real lenses in, MP count doesn't mean a thing.

3.) There are plenty of people in this forum, and maybe thread itself, who have gone on a "Sprint bashing tirade"

I dont think there is any confusion here.

Incredible is just a much better device on a superior network. The technology on the Incredible is more advanced.

monkeyinc said:

I dont think there is any confusion here.

Incredible is just a much better device on a superior network. The technology on the Incredible is more advanced.

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Lol... this is obviously a fake account.

IOWA said:

What is wrong with pointing out facts, flaws, and the good? What good is a review/advice if you don't give the good with the bad? And if you can't take constructive criticism, all I have to say is grow up. Seriously. And pointing out benefits and comparing Bad vs Bad vs Good vs Good on other carriers/phones/devices isn't a bad thing, and should actually be welcomed instead of people haphazardly dismissing the informations given, and, spewing incorrect rhetoric.

Whatever network works for other people may not work for you, and vice versa. But if the option is available, why do you find fault in pointing things like this out?

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I apologize for calling you a troll. I re-read your first post in this thread, and indeed, you were not trolling. For some reason I thought you were echoing wase's posts. The way your post started, however, was certainly going to make the rest of your post come off as argumentative. Had you truly wanted to offer unbiased information, you didn't need to begin by calling the entire thread "fail" and saying everyone is a "fanboy."

In any event, all information is helpful. I welcome knowledge sharing if done correctly. But know your audience. Coming into a thread on the Incredible forum and using the language you used is guaranteed to be taken negatively, regardless of the information you hope to share.

And indeed, I took a jab at Sprint here and there. And while I probably went too far (unlike AT&T and T-Mo, Sprint is a carrier I'd actually consider using), there is no denying Verizon has the superior coverage. This does typically come at a price for most people (my VZW discount thankfully makes it cheaper for me than Sprint).

Finally, I completely agree with these statements:

"1.) Your (sic) right, for now. Video calling on a mobile is still a new thing for us in the USA, and it may or may not grow popular. Time will tell.

2.) Anyone who expects a real HD camcorder in a phone, well, I call them silly. That being said, until they start throwing real lenses in, MP count doesn't mean a thing."

Because both are true, I think the EVO and Incredible are on nearly the same level spec-wise as the 720p is not true HD and the front-facing camera, while a great feature, won't get used by most people enough to consider it a game changer.