What the heck is the deal with iphone users Vs Android users

3devious · Jun 4, 2010

mrspeedmaster said:
People name their files w/ dates in them like "Video v1 05/01/2010" instead of "video_v1_05_01_2010.mp4" Mac OSX will recognize the 1st name as legal (even w/out extension)

People also name their files with spaces in them. Just because the OS's are cool with it now, doesn't mean that all software is, so it's still a stupid thing to do. Now that files have metadata (like tags) associated with them, there is no need to continue to name files in ways that are meaningful to humans.

Again, no Apple hate here, I want them to keep making products, I just wish their users would adopt the live and let live attitude they whine that no one has for them. An expensive product is only mildly distasteful but easy to ignore. An Apple evangelist can make you end up in two places you never want to go: Hell and Jail. When they keep getting in my face with their BS, I could end up going to both.

3devious · Jun 4, 2010

toasty said:
Here's a good analogy: the PCs are the beat-up pickup trucks that we keep around to do the grunt work, the MacBook is the convertible Benz that we take out for a spin when the weather's nice.

LOL, more like:

Macs are like mopeds... Both are fun to ride until a friend sees you.

byteware · Jun 4, 2010

toasty said:
Here's a good analogy: the PCs are the beat-up pickup trucks that we keep around to do the grunt work, the MacBook is the convertible Benz that we take out for a spin when the weather's nice.

Here's a better analogy.

Mac are like Ford Escorts... easy to maintain, decent handling, mediocre engine.

PCs are like Corvettes... powerful hardware, Fast processor, and more difficult to maintain (eats gas, and expensive maintenance).

You can understand our reaction to someone charging twice the price of a Corvette, for a Ford Escort.

Sure, no one wants to steal your Ford Escort like they do the Corvette, but is that really reason enough to spend twice the price of a Corvette?

mrspeedmaster · Jun 4, 2010

byteware said:
Here's a better analogy.
You can understand our reaction to someone charging twice the price of a Corvette, for a Ford Escort.

Horrible analogy. I'll agree that the consumer macs are pricier and have a premium. Macbooks (non-pros) are pricer than your $600 HP/Sonys. Imacs can't compete w/ build your own.

BUT........... Seriously, compare a high-end Mac Pro against... I'll be very specific: an HP Z800 workstations, a Dell Precision T7500 Workstations, a fully loaded Alienware monster
$15,000 gaming box MJ-12.
Compare the Mac Pro and come back to me.

Lets talk 8-core machines, 16-24GB of RAM, SSD Boot, SAS drives in RAID, elegant modular chassis. The Chassis/Towers alone cost $500-600 on these high end workstations. Fibre SAN card can cost more than $800.

Here is an example of a $15K Alienware against a $15K Mac Pro:
Apple VS Alienware 8-Core Computers - Compare The Brands

Seriously, go to Apple website, Look at theit $3K Mac Pro (get the same CPU/Same Memory/GFX card) and go look at the Dell Workstation Precision and HP Z800. Make sure you check off 64bit Win7 Ultimate, There are some scenarios where the DELLS cost more than the macs. Like $1,000 more.

Same for the "business Laptops" Go comparea Dell Latitude Z Laptop against a 15" MacBook Pro. Spec for Spec and compare the cost. Here, I'll give you a link:
The Dell Online Store: Build Your System

You guys like to compare custom built rigs that you can pick up parts from Frys/New-Egg/Tiger Direct. Corporations don't use frankenstein rigs.
I'm talking "pro markets" where things like SAN fibre cards are built in. Multiple Firewire 800 ports. Modular clean design chassis w/ rugged power supplies (often redundant). The Apple "Pro" line are very competitive and well design products. My laptop is made of a solid block of aluminum. That kind of engineering cost money. Again, a high-end Dell Laptop will cost just as much. Same with a high end Thinkpad.The difference in pricing is minimal. Sometimes it goes in the opposite direction; where the mac is cheaper.

A $550 Dell Laptop sold at BestBuy is not going to be the same as a $2400 Dell Laptop that happens to have the same specs/features as a Macbook Pro.

A $8,000 Dell Workstation w/ 8-cores, 12GB RAM, 6-bit OS, modular chassis is not going to compete with your Tiger Direct $1,5000 PC. Mac Pros compete with those high end workstations from Dell and HP.

Again, go to the Apple Website. Pick a moderately priced $5-6K Mac Pro, Then go to the Dell Professional Precision Line. Compare per spec - processor, memory, RAID/Fiber/ GFX card.
Here is a direct link to the Precision 7500.

Dell Precision Workstation Computers | Dell

Don't go off the $1500 starting price. Go per spec. Go and compare across similar config. The number of USB ports on the dell is not a selling feature.

Here is a HP z800.

http://h71016.www7.hp.com/dstore/Mi...=3007&BaseId=30037&oi=E9CED&BEID=19701&SBLID=

Snow_Fox · Jun 4, 2010

Sorry.. just wanted to interrupt..

You wonder why people hate mac?

Its the benz comparison..

That is a major part of it.. yet again it supports the attitude that mac is superior..

You CAN NOT say that you like mac because it is dummy proof and then turn around and call it a benz!

Whatever.. never mind.. I don't care as long as you don't call it a porsche.. but, if a mac is ever called a porsche that crosses the line..

irregularjoe · Jun 5, 2010

When Windows 95 was released. Don't remember if it was winter though.

tazziedevil said:
I think you are in the minority of Apple users, then.

I don't get rabid fanboyism either- and from my experience, there is an OVERWHELMING amount of Rabid Apple fanboys out there. I know a guy who is going to camp out outside the Apple store when the iPad is released. Why? Because Apple makes it.

He openly admits he doesn't need one and has no real use for one.

WHen was the last time you saw a Windows user camp out (in the middle of winter, no less) for a product they had no use for?

legion21 · Jun 5, 2010

i don't think people should hate against apple so much. Its not like they made some horrible products and are succeeding with that. Anyone who has used an iphone or mac knows there are good things and bad things about them. i can only imagine how this forum is going to be like once apple anounces the new iphone...

toasty · Jun 5, 2010

byteware said:
PCs are like Corvettes... powerful hardware, Fast processor, and more difficult to maintain (eats gas, and expensive maintenance).

If you want to think of your PC as a Corvette, fine. I think the analogy still pretty much holds true. The Vette is all about flashy specs and pure power, whereas the Mercedes focuses upon the entire driving experience -- not just performance from a "how quickly can I get you from point A to point B standpoint," but also performance in terms of ergonomics, interaction with the driver, creature comforts, etc.

Moreover, I tend to think of guys driving Vettes (new ones, anyway) as overcompensating for other, ahem, shortcomings, so perhaps your analogy is more apropos than you even thought.

I do have an experience from a few minutes ago that I have to share that highlights why Apple customers can be so fiercely loyal. I have an Airport Extreme Base Station (wireless router for those unfamiliar with it). Long story short, I needed to take it in for service at the Apple store, and this exchange followed:

-Him: What's the problem?
-Me: [I explain the problem]
-Him: Well, let's see if we can get it working so you don't have to buy another one.
-Me: Huh? The gal one the phone said it was covered under the Applecare on my MacBook
-Him: Well, she's wrong, it expired in 2009, but we'll honor it if that's what she told you. Let's see if we can get it working, though.

A couple of minutes pass, it's up and running

-Him: There you go
-Me: Would you mind surfing around a bit? I've had it up a number of times over the last day or so, and it loses the connection after a minute or so.

We confirm it is holding the connection

-Him: If it will make you more comfortable, I can just give you a new one.
-Me: Well thanks, but that's not necessary if it's working
-Him: Whatever you like. It's really not a big deal.
-Me: I appreciate it, but this is fine, really.
-Him: Well, you can have a brand new one if you'd like, just to be sure. I'd take it if I were you, so you don't have to mess with it if it acts up again.
-Me: OK, you talked me into it.

So that's how it ended. I get a brand-spanking new Airport Base Station, notwithstanding that the one that I brought in was out of warranty and working fine by the time I was leaving the store. Bonkers from a customer service standpoint. Very few companies in ANY industry would have done that, in my experience.

tazziedevil · Jun 6, 2010

toasty said:
Also, the fact that this is one of the longest threads in this forum actually kinda makes my point about how much animosity there is directed to Apple, IMO.

Well, you did ask why people hate on Apple so much. Now you have many, many reasons why people do

tazziedevil · Jun 6, 2010

byteware said:
Here's a better analogy.

Mac are like Ford Escorts... easy to maintain, decent handling, mediocre engine.

PCs are like Corvettes... powerful hardware, Fast processor, and more difficult to maintain (eats gas, and expensive maintenance).

You can understand our reaction to someone charging twice the price of a Corvette, for a Ford Escort.

Sure, no one wants to steal your Ford Escort like they do the Corvette, but is that really reason enough to spend twice the price of a Corvette?

I dont think any of these car analogies actually work. here's my analogy (sticking with the car theme):

Your avarage, Windows PC Is any car, really. There are hundreds of different models: SUV's, trucks, mid size, compact, sub compact. Different colors, manual or automatic transmission, 2 doors or 4 doors, gasoline or diesel, 4,6,8,10 cylinders. Whatever you want, really.

Your Mac/Apple product i dont think has an analogous car. You would only have a few models to pick from, one or two colors, no choice in transmission, and could only play the radio OR use the GPS OR use the wipers, but not at the same time, despite other cars being able to do this for 5 years or more. It would run on one fuel only, and even though the engine could do 140 mph, they have installed a restrictor plate in the factory to keep it under 90. Sure, you COULD get the plate taken out, but doing do would void your warranty and would be costly if you didn't know how to do it yourself. The car would also cost more.

Furthermore, the salespeople's selling point is that you don't have to change the oil as often, or get the tires rotated quite as much. it "just goes" they say.

When you question a driver about their car they say "Well, all i have to do is turn the key, step on the gas, then press the brake when I want to stop. See, it just goes."

Non-Mac car driver: "Ok, great. But thats all i have to in my car to make it go, too."

Mac car driver: "Well, mine is still easier. The customer service is nice, And lots of people drive them now. So it's better."

Bnice · Jun 6, 2010

toasty said:
If you want to think of your PC as a Corvette, fine. I think the analogy still pretty much holds true. The Vette is all about flashy specs and pure power, whereas the Mercedes focuses upon the entire driving experience -- not just performance from a "how quickly can I get you from point A to point B standpoint," but also performance in terms of ergonomics, interaction with the driver, creature comforts, etc.

Moreover, I tend to think of guys driving Vettes (new ones, anyway) as overcompensating for other shortcomings, so perhaps your analogy is more apropos than you even thought.

I do have an experience from a few minutes ago that I have to share that highlights why Apple customers can be so fiercely loyal. I have an Airport Extreme Base Station (wireless router for those unfamiliar with it). Long story short, I needed to take it in for service at the Apple store, and this exchange followed:

-Him: What's the problem?
-Me: [I explain the problem]
-Him: Well, let's see if we can get it working so you don't have to buy another one.
-Me: Huh? The gal one the phone said it was covered under the Applecare on my MacBook
-Him: Well, she's wrong, it expired in 2009, but we'll honor it if that's what she told you. Let's see if we can get it working, though.

A couple of minutes pass, it's up and running

-Him: There you go
-Me: Would you mind surfing around a bit? I've had it up a number of times over the last day or so, and it loses the connection after a minute or so.

We confirm it is holding the connection

-Him: If it will make you more comfortable, I can just give you a new one.
-Me: Well thanks, but that's not necessary if it's working
-Him: Whatever you like. It's really not a big deal.
-Me: I appreciate it, but this is fine, really.
-Him: Well, you can have a brand new one if you'd like, just to be sure. I'd take it if I were you, so you don't have to mess with it if it acts up again.
-Me: OK, you talked me into it.

So that's how it ended. I get a brand-spanking new Airport Base Station, notwithstanding that the one that I brought in was out of warranty and working fine by the time I was leaving the store. Bonkers from a customer service standpoint. Very few companies in ANY industry would have done that, in my experience.

WOW! bought a car charger a few months ago the charger stop working after a week, took it back to sprint told them my problem she got a new one right out the box and said her you go,no question was ask no fuss just said thanks and head back out. wasn't apple that don't like their customers to pay cash or you can't buy more than two of their iphone or ipad.?

rickyaustin · Jun 6, 2010

As an avid Apple user, and a professional creative who only uses Apple products

IOWA · Jun 6, 2010

rickyaustin said:
As an avid Apple user, and a professional creative who only uses Apple products

ari-free · Jun 6, 2010

I know a lot of PC people hate the mac for all kinds of reasons but I was never one of them. I applauded them for moving to an open source BSD kernel and the latest standards in their web browser. But now something terrible has happened to them. They want to control what you can have on your own phone. Imagine if Microsoft said "hey if you want to use Windows, you can only use IE as your browser. No firefox for you!" Imagine if some GNU zealots said "Sorry, you can only have GPL software for your linux system." Everyone would turn against them but when Apple does it, it's OK. Sorry, but it is unacceptable.

rickyaustin · Jun 6, 2010

IOWA said:
And thus it is confirmed. You are an Apple fan.

While the design of apple products look nice for most,(and they do) I wouldn't call any of their products top of the line or top rate. Just because it is easy to use for the peon, doesn't make it the best.

Tapatalk. Samsung Moment. Yep.

Actually, this would be the definition of why something is good. Computers are made for people. Everyday people. Making a user interface that is simple for non-techies to use is the whole reason GUI's were invented in the 1980s.

The fact that a technologically savvy guy can keep a PC running smoothly with proper maintenance is irrelevant.

Can my 50 year old mother keep it running perfectly? How about my grandfather? That's the litmus test. And in that test, I'm confident that Apple comes out on top.

For everyone of us tech-savvy people that peruse these forums, there are 100 everyday people struggling to use whatever machine they've purchased. We can point & laugh that they google "Facebook login" to get on FB, but they are what matter. They outnumber us & they re who will make a company profitable or bankrupt.

kutsushita · Jun 6, 2010

I have a 5G iPod nano, unibody MacBook, and I'm currently typing this on my 3G iPad. If anyone wants to trash me for choosing how I spend my money, go ahead

tazziedevil · Jun 6, 2010

kutsushita said:
I have a 5G iPod nano, unibody MacBook, and I'm currently typing this on my 3G iPad. If anyone wants to trash me for choosing how I spend my money, go ahead

I don't think anyone would individually trash you for choosing Apple. My view is that Apple haters really are bothered by the rampant apple fanboy-ism out there. Yes, there are fanboys for every brand, but the sheer number and volume from the apple side is overwhelming.

The OP asked why so many people bash apple. 6 pages later, we're still telling him.

rickyaustin · Jun 6, 2010

Bnice said:
WOW! bought a car charger a few months ago the charger stop working after a week, took it back to sprint told them my problem she got a new one right out the box and said her you go,no question was ask no fuss just said thanks and head back out. wasn't apple that don't like their customers to pay cash or you can't buy more than two of their iphone or ipad.?

They have a 2 iPad limit per person at the moment because they're still borderline sold-out across the country. They prohibited cash sales so they could enforce this limit easier.

They have since changed this policy so that you can pay cash if you sign up for an apple account (to still enforce the 2 iPad limit).

rickyaustin · Jun 6, 2010

IOWA said:
Lol really?

The Apple/Android Fanboy ratio has got to be something like 10:1 easy. And most Apple fanboy's are alot worse than the android counter part.

If you let someone else's comments sway you on a particular subject without doing any research of your own, that's a flaw with YOU, not HIM/HER.

And just because someone doesn't like the Apple interface, or see's it worth anything, makes their opinion negligible? Really? So someone has to like Apple products to have their opinion count now? That is just the very Fanboy attitude your blasting in the next two paragraphs. Hypocrite much?

Fair enough

tazziedevil · Jun 6, 2010

Wow rickyaustin, you sure subscribe to the fanboy attitude that so many of us "less intelligent" people you look down your nose at rail against. It's even filled with blatant half truths. Sorry, i dont find square icons you cant change on a black background "beautiful." I.don't like my phone looking like everyone elses. But its that elitist attitude Apple fans/fanboys think is their birthright that makes non apple users really dislike apple.and their fanboys.

Guess what? even on a mac you have to move your fingers around a bit when you type. now, its been awhile since I used a mac keyboard, but I remember a row of numbers above the letters where you dont have fingers either, unless maybe you never use numbers when you type. I usually use a mouse too, which means my entire hand has to lift off the keyboard at times. Weird!

Niir · Jun 6, 2010

rickyaustin said:
But to look at their products and say they are inferior, no, I can't see that as a logical answer.

well i guess if u subscribe to apples ''dont care about the hardware its all done by magic'' belief then yeah apple stuff if great...bt if u actually look at the hardware it gets a little...inferior...

and now even the software is inferior to android...bad times :eek:

Jammy · Jun 6, 2010

tazziedevil said:
and could only play the radio OR use the GPS OR use the wipers, but not at the same time, despite other cars being able to do this for 5 years or more.

Huh?

tazziedevil · Jun 6, 2010

The iPhone cant multitask. Yet, anyway. But other phonrs have had multitasking for years.

Jammy · Jun 6, 2010

You were talking about Macs though...

IOWA · Jun 6, 2010

rickyaustin said:
Fair enough

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