HTC Desire and iPhone 4

partridge said:

But let's face it; Apple have established themselves as THE cool phone maker. I've yet to see a tv ad for HTC (or any Android phone) but I see Apple ads regularly.

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Regularly see the HTC "You" ad in the UK so the exposure, like ownership of the Desire is growing.

Agree on the video calling, seems a bit unnatural. My old Sony had it but never used it. Networks probably cope better now but the iphone is Wifi only. Can't imagine people using it in the open & if they do how annoying will that be ! Best used by leaving it on a table but then is it that much better than just hands free or alternatively it becomes a very expensive webcam - can't really see the benefit myself.

There was a big discussion in the office yesterday because O2 (the main SP for iPhones in the UK) are introducing hard data caps.

The four iPhone users in the office were trying to work out how much data they used a month. They had no idea because, not only had they never had to worry about it in the past, but the iPhone seems to be incapable of tracking this.

I showed them '3G watchdog' and they were pretty impressed, but said they couldn't get anything like that for the iPhone because it would have to continuously run in the background.

I wonder if the new OS4 will allow stuff like this. If not a lot of iPhone users in the UK may start getting unexpectedly high bills.

ldn-j said:

Regularly see the HTC "You" ad in the UK so the exposure, like ownership of the Desire is growing.

Agree on the video calling, seems a bit unnatural. My old Sony had it but never used it. Networks probably cope better now but the iphone is Wifi only. Can't imagine people using it in the open & if they do how annoying will that be ! Best used by leaving it on a table but then is it that much better than just hands free or alternatively it becomes a very expensive webcam - can't really see the benefit myself.

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I agree about the "expensive webcam" comment. Surely the ability to have video calling at home has been around for years. I remember doing it 10-15years ago on my PC. Why would you want to see a 1" square image of someone when you can use your PC and get a decent size image?

As for using it at a Wifi hotspot, why would you? Phone your missus and show her you REALLY are in Starbucks having a Latte and not banging your secretary at some hotel???

As I said before, there is a reason why nearly all other manufacturers are lessening the amount of phones with video calling capabilities. Noone, other than maybe the Japanese and Koreans, really ever used it except for initial novelty value.

I did a video call from my Desire to a webcam the other day, I had to hold it up to the mirror admittedly but I'm sure HTC would put cameras in the front if it was a really popular thing.

Do you think the 2.2 update for htc desire is as good as the iOS4 update for iPhone?

I'd rather have Android 1.0 than iOS4.

Point taken.

ramanmilan said:

Do you think the 2.2 update for htc desire is as good as the iOS4 update for iPhone?

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Are you joking? In terms of OS, everything I saw about iOS4 is just playing catch up to what other OS's already offer and have been offering for years.

Take multitasking, probably the biggest change for the iPhone in terms of usefulness and one of the main limiting factors for them to date - I've been able to do that properly (not the limited version Apple offer) on Symbian for at least 6 years, on Android since its inception.

There's loads of functionality available already on Android that Apple still haven't caught up with even in iOS4, let alone waiting for the 2.2 release (I won't repeat it all, it's already listed in this thread ad nauseam)

What Apple will be able to offer is integration with some of the services and apps that can now start taking advantage of this, their bookstore etc which inarguably will have a slick and easy to use front end. We should have a Kindle app coming to Android shortly, but Kindle's interface is unlikely to be as slick. Whilst I was able to edit video several years ago on my trusty N95, the iMovie app will undoubtedly be easier to use than this was.

However, if it delivers everything it should, 2.2 will give the Desire a huge boost and take it even further ahead of the iPhone in terms of functionality.

I think the only part Android is behind on is 'cohesiveness' (almost invetiably given Apple's control freak approach) and the services available from third parties. I'm happy to sacrifice the a little of the former for the sake of a more open platform (and it's not as though Android isn't cohesive, just not as much as Apple). As far as services go, we can only watch and hope that third parties continue to make the shift towards Android or at least supporting both platforms equally. The wind certainly seems to be heading in that direction as the sheer number of Android users grows and demands market attention.

iOS4 is pretty much an irrelevance in this debate though - it's just Apple playing catch-up with the rest of the world but selling it as something new and exciting.

I think i have pretty much decided to buy HTC desire now .
I heard the 2.2 update is coming out on 23rd June, is it true?

If it does, you probably won't get the update on your phone for a few weeks due to the network carriers working out the logistics of it.

dajomel said:

As far as the IPS "retina" screen goes, am I the only one that thinks that the creation of it was in effect a waste of time, money and resources by Apple? As it happens, they have their figures wrong about what the human eye can cope with, but even using their figures they believe that the human eye can only see 300dpi and they created a screen capable of 326dpi!!! Why? What's the point in producing something that people cannot distinguish from a lower res screen? Save money etc by producing UP TO the limit, not OVER it.

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If they had used any other resolution, besides 480x320, current apps would not scale properly, ie, some pixels would be longer than others.

That had to do it proportionally.

d.knight99 said:

Yeah it's not really multitasking at all. This is what they're allowing -

Bit of a con if you ask me!

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:O Thats not multitasking at all!!! I did not realise that was what Apple define as multitasking... No wonder iPhone users are mistaken.

Where did you get that list from btw?

Sapa said:

LOL. That is funny. I guess these kids here believe it all started with the desire!

Anyway, I gotta say i love my desire I just hate all this back slapping trying to convince each other they made the right decision and all of the 15 year old boy arguments about how Apple are evil and everyone who buys an iPhone is a sheep. Hey look at me im an individual and different to the great masses of sheep.

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It could be argued that the articles on the news networks shown when the ipad was released in England, showing the Apple staff lining the stairs and every staff member patting every customer on the back telling them they have made the correct choice shows just who the sheep are

ramanmilan said:

I think i have pretty much decided to buy HTC desire now .
I heard the 2.2 update is coming out on 23rd June, is it true?

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so hope your right waitin is doin me head all i hear is can do this do that................................................................................when the update comes out!

What I would like to know about the Iphone in genera is this.

What is there sooo much wasted space above and below the screen, couldn't it be smaller so you didn't have a screen surrounded by just an speaker and a single button that is in the middle of nowhere?

Look at the Desire, it's all about the screen with no wasted space.

[ I am not an Iphone basher - I would buy one it if cost