Apple vs Samsung Screen War

KMA · Jun 10, 2010

Smg said:
The iPad uses a IPS display yeah it looks great outdoors in the sun....

YouTube - Pixel Qi vs iPad

Based on the video linked, your comment is meant to be sarcastic right? :thinking:

The iPad looks absolutely terrible, especially compared to the Pixel Qi screen.

Smg · Jun 10, 2010

KMA said:
Based on the video linked, your comment is meant to be sarcastic right?

The iPad looks absolutely terrible, especially compared to the Pixel Qi screen.

Yes i was being sarcastic lol

KMA · Jun 10, 2010

Smg said:
Yes i was being sarcastic lol

Ok, haha... sorry

Looking at that video, if the IP4 screen is anything like the iPad it is going to be absolutely horrible in sunlight.

hanano17 · Jun 10, 2010

Yeah, when I posted that Samsung could keep up with Apple's demands, I should have said "if Samsung wanted to". Because as mentioned, why shorten their own supply to supply HTC and Apple, when they are trying to push their own products as well. So if they stopped producing phones, they'd have no problem.

spiz · Jun 10, 2010

hanano17 said:
Samsung is #2 worldwide for mobile phones. Maybe he meant smart phones specifically?

I read somewhere that Apple recently passed Samsung... it was probably the smartphone industry. My bad.

Evil Peter · Jun 10, 2010

FlyPenFly said:
First of all, you have to look at it from perspective of phones that cost $500+. Apple never plays in the low end of the market with razor thin margins much like Ferrari doesn't either.

Second, I plan to purchase BOTH phones as I usually have at least 3 phones I switch between depending on my mood. If the Galaxy S could have an IPS display with such a high resolution density, I wish it could get it over SuperAmoled. The only thing great aout super amo is the black levels and the power consumption. IPS displays win on outdoor visibility. Viewing angles and contrast ratios will be nearly the same[. AMOLED loses on color cast and color accuracy. Sure the saturated look some people like but it's not always desirable.

If Samsung could make a Super AMOLED at the capacity that Apple needs and at the resolution Apple needs, I'm sure they would have used it. Simple fact is, its hard to scale up Super AMOLED production at the resolution density that Apple wants.

How would the Super AMOLED have such a low contrast ratio as 800:1 when they have true black?

As far as I've heard Samsung has said that the Super AMOLED is 80% less reflective than a regular AMOLED, not 20% as you said in a later post. You are probably confusing it with that it's 20% brighter than a regular. Given how the iPad works in sunlight I won't put my money on the IPS-panel in sunlight.

bambiboi · Jun 10, 2010

Smg said:
The iPad uses a IPS display yeah it looks great outdoors in the sun....

YouTube - Pixel Qi vs iPad

LMAO. For the first 45secs I was like, CMON TURN THE iPAD ON ALREADY FFS!

spiz · Jun 10, 2010

KMA said:
Do you have a some more info on the outdoor visibility claim? IPS vs Super AMOLED

It's been posted a couple of times around here somewhere... here ya go...

YouTube - Samsung Galaxy S vs. iPhone

Both phones sitting in direct sunlight.

FlyPenFly · Jun 10, 2010

Smg said:
The iPad uses a IPS display yeah it looks great outdoors in the sun....

YouTube - Pixel Qi vs iPad

Compare the same size screens.

spiz · Jun 10, 2010

FlyPenFly said:
Compare the same size screens.

That literally has nothing to do with how they look in the sunlight. And if you flip the iPad to the side, it's a pretty similar comparison. But like I said, that wasn't really the point of the video.

KMA · Jun 10, 2010

spiz said:
It's been posted a couple of times around here somewhere... here ya go...

YouTube - Samsung Galaxy S vs. iPhone

Both phones sitting in direct sunlight.

Thanks, but I meant the new "retina" IP4 display vs the Super AMOLED.

I believe that is a 3GS.

FlyPenFly said:
Compare the same size screens.

The iPad and netbook screen sizes in the video are fairly similar, no? The IP4 and Galaxy S screen sizes aren't the same either (3.5" vs 4"). Of course that is the Pixel Qi screen on th right, but the point being made was the reflection and contrast/brightness of the iPad's IPS LCD display is terrible in direct sunlight. Maybe you could admit that your comments weren't based off of any real world experience, and just speculation?

Markiz · Jun 10, 2010

That ipad vs pixel qi thing looks like it's a setup though.. I think they are covering ipads light sensor.

Smg · Jun 10, 2010

Markiz said:
That ipad vs pixel qi thing looks like it's a setup though.. I think they are covering ipads light sensor.

Ok heres another try this one

YouTube - Apple iPad eReader iBooks Demo vs. jetBook

Markiz · Jun 10, 2010

Smg said:
Ok heres another try this one

Ok, this one looks more convincing.

Smg · Jun 10, 2010

YouTube - Samsung Wave hands-on

YouTube - Samsung Galaxy S i9000 - Layar ???? - ePrice.MTS

Super Amoled in sunlight

FlyPenFly · Jun 10, 2010

Google Nexus One display actually not 800×480 resolution? Boy Genius Report

bambiboi · Jun 11, 2010

IPS is clearly awesome in outside use.. Looks like it's gonna be just as useless as 3G was. Oh well, not gonna be problem for me, 1,5 years was enough for me with Apple.

Loriolus · Jun 11, 2010

FlyPenFly said:
Google Nexus One display actually not 800

Evil Peter · Jun 11, 2010

Loriolus said:
And not only N1 display...it's the PENTILE screen technology. If Galaxy S uses Pentile screens (which most likely it is) then iPhone 4 screen is gonna look a lot sharper.

Given how the Samsung Wave performed with text when I saw it in a store, I doubt anything today will be 'a lot' sharper, even though that's of course a subjective term.

I read somewhere that the difference in visual sharpness should be about 3-5% to the IPS's favor, although I don't know how accurate that is.

Loriolus · Jun 11, 2010

Evil Peter said:
Given how the Samsung Wave performed with text when I saw it in a store, I doubt anything today will be 'a lot' sharper, even though that's of course a subjective term.

I read somewhere that the difference in visual sharpness should be about 3-5% to the IPS's favor, although I don't know how accurate that is.

Read about pentile technology and you'll have a better idea. However, not everyone has an eye or care much for a denser screen.

Evil Peter · Jun 11, 2010

Loriolus said:
Read about pentile technology and you'll have a better idea. However, not everyone has an eye or care much for a denser screen.

Oh I have, and thus I know enough not to make too strong blanket statements about the technology as it's pretty dependent on the software utilizing it in the best way, which it isn't on the N1/Desire, hence it clearly has problems. Not that I know the exact boundaries for how good it can get, although I did see something better on the Wave.

The reason I looked at the Wave was to find all the flaws with the screen that I could (looking at it from a few centimeters distance), especially since it's a pentile screen. So I wasn't going there to try to defend any technology, just trying to make an informed choice. What I saw was sharpness good enough to be a clearly smaller problem in comparison than having a backlit screen is.

FlyPenFly · Jun 11, 2010

Either way, both screens are going to be awesome. My gut feeling is that the IPS will be more usable, it's a more mature version of an older technology. SUPER AMOLED is no doubt the future with its better power consumption, thinner profile, and better black levels but it's just not capable right now of being produced at the numbers Apple needs at the resolution that Apple needs (because of their software).

I am definitely planning to get both when the Galaxy S lands on Verizon so I'll do a comparison.

Phawx · Jun 11, 2010

I think we are really splitting hairs here. Saying that the iPhone 4's resolution is a must is kind of silly. The iPhone/3g/3gs had been rocking a 480x320 at 3.5" which was 165 PPI.

Even if we account for the pentile matrix, where 2 colors are used per pixel instead of 3, the actual resolution we get is 653x392 instead of 800x480 (interpolated). So if we take 653x392 at a 4" screen we get a PPI of 190.

We have 58% of the pixel density of the iPhone 4, however we have 115% of the pixel density of the earlier iPhones (which no one really had a problem with).

The point I am trying to make is that the pixel density is *fine* on the Galaxy S. Combine these facts of Super Amoled:

1.) True black (infinite contrast ratio) vs iPhone 4 CR at 800:1
2.) 1 MICRO seconds Refresh rate vs 5 mill seconds
3.) Infinite viewing angle vs varying degrees of brightness at different levels
4.) Emissive display has better color reproduction vs transmissive displays
5.) OLED doesn't need a back-light so it's thinner
NA.) Power consumption varies depending on scene. Black takes no power on OLED whereas it takes the most power on LCD. The opposite for white.

To top everything off, we've already SEEN pictures and video of what the text looks like. It looks very crisp in all the pictures I've seen.

So for me, I'd easily sacrifice pixel density for all the benefits OLED offers.

FlyPenFly · Jun 11, 2010

The reason the resolution is a MUST is programmatic.

Phawx · Jun 11, 2010

@flypenfly

I'm not following. Are you merely talking about the consistent 4:3 ratio in the iPhone/iTouch line?

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