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    With every OTA release I have seen it breaks down something like this:

    1) Google release source.

    3) Manufacturer spends about 2-3 months adding skins and or drivers.

    4) The Carriers screw with it for a month and find bugs and or add crapware. They send it back to the manufacturer.

    5) Manufacture screws with it for a month or two and sends back to carrier.

    6) Carrier adds more crapware or removes features and starts OTA rollout.

    7) Several major bugs are found immediately by the users/developers and the carrier halts the roll out.

    8) Carrier and manufacturer scramble and finally agree to work together and send out a patched version in about two - four weeks....

    In the rooted comunity:

    1) Google releases source.

    2) Developers have a stable working rom in 1-2 weeks. (In many cases 2-3 days)

    3) The Beta gets released and users immediately identify bugs.

    4) Developers fix in a week or two. (In many cases 2-3 days)

    5) Stable rooted Stock and custom ROMS hit the internet and the customer gets the up date about six months ahead of the official OTA update....
     

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    It would probably be fair to point on the advantage of a Nexus even to those who don't root.

    1) Google releases source - get it that day.
     
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    Perhaps I just had an unlucky run, but I went through over a dozen different ROMs over a period of 15 months with my OG droid. The best ones would FC apps a few times a week, the worse numerous times a day. Never had a ROM I would have called stable.
     
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    cm7 on my dinc was way more stable than the stock froyo/sense ROM.
     
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    the 4.0.4 was first had as an OTA by a forum member...he pulled it and gave it to the DEVS.

    however i have a feeling we will be seeing 4.0.5 pretty soon.

    as for the rezound and Razr having ICS by now.....hahahahaha
    not a chance. having owned both the Droid X and the HTC thunderbolt, i am VERY familiar with the OTA process for Moto and HTC. and 9 times out of 10, it is delayed.
    on the thunderbolt, we had a stable GB update for a few months before the OTA hit...and they didn't fix the ONE BIG BUG (no notification of voicemails) that the dev community pointed out on day one. Seriously, do they even have beta testers?

    i call the Rezound and Razr get ICS in LATE APRIL. Getting Blur and Sense to function properly on a new software is not a simple task.

    i am thankful to finally have a Nexus device. even though it has its issues, it is still a TON better than anything from LG,Moto, or HTC
     
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    I got 4.0.4 this morning when I powered on.

    This is a demo device I'm testing for my company for two weeks, I just got it on Monday (lol). I don't know if that has anything to do with it.
     
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    So this has probably been asked and answered many times... For someone who is stock unlocked and rooted 4.0.2, will the OTA come? I have heard you will lose root, and that's no big deal, but will it actually push OTA to rooted devices?
     
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    Yes, you should still get OTA. And like you said, you can easily re-root your phone.
     
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    Is there any advantage to waiting for the official OTA versus updating manually?
     
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    Well, the leaked OTA could possibly not wind up being the official OTA that rolls out. While unlikely, it's possible there are bugs in it that Verizon found and is fixing and decided not to push the OTA yet. Just a possibility, but again probably not likely.
     
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    or they are patching the root exploit, or changing the bootloader to prevent us from flashing custom kernels :(

    or they are filling it up with bloat.

    or they are making sure everything works well for us (doubtful)
     
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    B'more

    LOL, I know we're talking about VZW, but that's a little on the dark side Void.

    Cheer up!
     
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    Maybe, but irrelevant with a locked bootloader. It only makes it slightly more work to accomplish the same thing.

    No way in hell that happens. But if you're worried about it, unlock your bootloader now ;)

    Doubtful, but with root you can freeze/remove them anyway.

    I think of the things you mention in this thread, this is the most likely.
     
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    my bootloader has been unlocked, the day i got the device, and rooted the day i got it, im on 4.0.4 now, and it is most likely the last thing i said about vzw making sure everything works is completely wrong. nothing is ever working completely

    and yes root will remove bloat... but some of us found out that some vzw bloat was tied into the actual device, and removing it will cause other problems


    never say never with vzw they can do whatever they want, even though its a nexus, and the bootloader is not encrypted, dont think that somehow vzw will find a way around it.


    and the patching of the root exploit, yes we can always obtain root, but coming from the DX, some of us knew how much of a pain it was to get root on gb.
     
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    http://www.facebook.com/notes/htc/update-on-android-ice-cream-sandwich-upgrades/10150762287733084

    HTC announced today that...

    "our first round of ICS upgrades will roll out by the end of March for the HTC Sensation, HTC Sensation 4G and HTC Sensation XE, followed soon there after by the HTC Sensation XL."

    Then updated to say...


    "In addition, we can confirm Ice Cream Sandwich upgrades will be coming later this year to the HTC Rezound, HTC Vivid, HTC Amaze 4G, HTC EVO 3D, HTC EVO Design 4G, HTC Incredible S, HTC Desire S and HTC Desire HD."

    Later this year. Ouch. Not 2nd quarter. Not soon (the HTC Sensation XL got the "soon" label") but later this year.

    Watch how long Moto takes to get the Razr updated. No chance the Razr or Rezound see ICS before May 1.
     
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    moto has usually been good about updates, i think razr's will see ics before summer, bionic owners however... maybe later this year, which is bad, but its just the nature of the beast :(
     
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    Wow! I haven't heard of this. Could you expand on this, please? (Or maybe just point me to the thread where it was discussed then we can avoid derailing this one.)
     
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    Wow, nothing about the Thunderbolt. Glad my wife told me to get the GNex instead of just replacing my busted up Tbolt!
     
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    Lol at HTC and Moto. I tried to tell people in the pre-release thread that buying either the RAZR or Rezound because they promised to update them quickly was stupid. Never ever ever ever buy a phone anticipating an update unless you're willing to root to get it.
     
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    If you look at the fact there ARE bugs in ICS, and Google hasn't even got those resolved on the GNex yet with a maintenance update, you can imagine that ICS is a lot more difficult to integrate on a phone that the OS wasn't developed in partnership with, that has a proprietary skin, and carrier bloat, and considering Google basically admitted by pulling the "supported" title from the VZW GNex that CDMA adds an extra layer of difficulty to the mix, it all means its going to take a while. I personally think three months would be pretty impressive for a VZW phone to get ICS.
     
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    There are always going to be bugs though. Most of the custom roms are solid and people mainly have issues with kernels. it should not take manufacturers that long to get out a stable rom. Obviously the main reason for the delay is integration of their bloat. On the droid x even with the later builds like .602 and .605 some people were screaming that motorola sucks, the droid x sucks, etc. because they still had issues. There will always be people with issues, but 4.0.3 is stable.
     
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    rich i know you had the DX... or i saw you in the DX section every now and then

    but i dont remember froyo

    i remember gingerbread had this, the rom devs figured it out finally but
    here is the link:
    http://androidforums.com/droid-x-al...emove-gingerbread-gingerblur.html#post2576788

    in particular you have some vzw bloat that can be removed(if not all)
    motorola bloat however was tied into the os (obviously) i made that mistake in my previous post and i apologize.
    in reference:
    Safe to remove:

    amazonmp3_1.8.32_signed_zipligned.apk
    BackupAssistanceClient.apk
    Blockbuster.apk
    blur_facebook.apk [Social networking integration]
    blur_flickr.apk [Social networking integration]
    blur_lastfm.apk [Social networking integration]
    blur_linkedin.apk [Social networking integration]
    blur_myspace.apk [Social networking integration]
    blur_orkut.apk [Social networking integration]
    blur_photobucket.apk [Social networking integration]
    blur_picasa.apk [Social networking integration]
    blur_skyrock.apk [Social networking integration]
    blur_twitter.apk [Social networking integration]
    blur_youtube.apk [Social networking integration]
    BlurAlarmClock.apk
    BlurCamera.apk [Stock camera]
    BlurEmail.apk
    BlurEmailEngine.apk [Used by stock messaging app and when adding calendar events]
    BlurHome.apk [You lose the new app drawer if you remove this]
    BlurUpdater_VZW.apk
    BooksPhone.apk [Google Books]
    Browser.apk
    BuaContactAdapter.apk [Used for Backup Assistant restoring contacts]
    Calculator.apk
    CarDock.apk
    CityID.apk
    ClockWidget.apk
    Cmas.apk [Emergency app]
    ContactsProvider2_0.apk [Used if you have a Google Apps account]
    Conversations.apk [Stock texting app; if removed, 3rd party SMS works, MMS does not]
    DLNA.apk
    DlnaSystemService.apk
    Dock.apk
    DockService.apk
    FileManager.apk
    FMRadioService.apk
    FriendFeed.apk
    Gmail.apk
    GoogleQuickSearchBox.apk [Prevents you from using the global search]
    HelpCenter.apk
    HomeSyncWizard.apk
    Kindle-OEM-2.0.5.103970165-20110202.apk
    KpiLogger.apk [Unknown]
    LiveWallpapers.apk
    LiveWallpapersPicker.apk
    MagicSmokeWallpapers.apk
    Maps.apk [Google Maps]
    MediaGallery.apk [Shortcut to recently-shot pictures in the Camera app stops working]
    MessagesWidget.apk
    Messaging.apk [Unknown; if removed, stock texting app still works, 3rd party MMS/SMS works]
    MotoFMRadio.apk
    MSExchangeService.apk [Remove ONLY if you use POP/IMAP email]
    Music.apk
    MyVerizon.apk
    NewsWidget.apk
    PhotoWidget.apk
    Protips.apk [The little Android guy that gives hints]
    QuickContactWidget.apk
    Quickoffice.apk
    QuickSms.apk [Removes ability to auto-respond via text to declined calls]
    Skype_mobile.live.apk
    SocialMessaging.apk
    SocialShare.apk [Unknown]
    StatusWidget.apk
    StickyNoteWidget.apk
    Street.apk
    Swype.apk
    Talk.apk [Google Talk]
    ToggleWidgets.apk
    UniversalInbox.apk
    VCast.apk
    VoiceSearch.apk [If removed, speech-to-text is also disabled]
    VpnClient.apk
    VpnServices.apk
    VSuiteApp.apk [Voice Commands app; causes multiple FCs when deleting it, must reboot after]
    Vvm.apk [Visual Voicemail]
    vzw_vnav_DROIDX_rel_PROD_signed.apk [VZW Navigation]
    VZWInstaller.apk [Unknown]

    WeatherWidget.apk
    WorkContacts.apk [Used if you use the Corporate Sync]
    YahooContacts.apk
    YouTube.apk


    and obviously the others:
    Unsafe/unknown:

    AccountAndSyncSettings.apk
    AdminFeedNotifier.apk
    AdService.apk
    android-syncservice-app.apk
    ApplicationsProvider.apk
    ArcPhotoworkshop.apk [Used to crop wallpapers or resize images]
    ArcVideoEditorLite.apk
    AtCmd.apk
    AudioEffectSettings.apk
    BatteryManager.apk
    BatteryReport.apk
    Bluetooth.apk
    BluetoothMot.apk
    blur_activesync.apk [Removal causes Contacts to crash]
    blur_email.apk [Removal causes Contacts to crash]
    blur_yahoo.apk [Removal causes Contacts to crash]
    BlurCalendar.apk
    BlurCalendarProvider.apk
    BlurChooser.apk
    BlurContacts.apk
    BlurContactsSync.apk
    BlurDialer.apk
    BlurPhone.apk
    blur-services.apk
    BlurSNMessagingEngine.apk
    CalendarSync.apk
    CertificateManager.apk
    CertificateProvider.apk
    CertInstaller.apk
    ChargeOnlyMode.apk
    CompassCalibrate.apk
    ConnMO.apk
    ContactsData.apk
    DataCollection.apk
    DataCollectorProvider.apk
    DataCollectorService.apk
    DatamanagerApp.apk
    DataManagerService.apk
    DefaultContainerService.apk
    DeviceStatistics.apk
    DMService.apk
    DownloadProvider.apk [Causes force closes in the Market app if removed]
    DownloadProviderUi.apk [Causes force closes in the Market app if removed]
    DrmProvider.apk
    DroidEye.apk
    EncryptionSettings.apk
    ExtDispService.apk
    FirewallService.apk
    GlobalUnplug.apk
    GoogleBackupTransport.apk
    GoogleCalendarSyncAdapter.apk
    GoogleContactsSyncAdapter.apk
    GoogleFeedback.apk
    GooglePartnerSetup.apk
    GoogleServicesFramework.apk
    HTMLViewer.apk
    IndexingService.apk
    LatinIME.apk [Default keyboard]
    LocationConsent.apk
    LocationProxyDmPlugin.apk
    MarketUpdater.apk
    MasterClearErrorReport.apk
    MediaProvider.apk
    MediaSync.apk
    MediaUploader.apk
    MotHstcmd.apk
    MotoAtCmdPlugin.apk
    MotorolaSettingsProvider.apk
    MotoVzwAtCmdPlugin.apk
    NetworkLocation.apk
    oma1motService.apk
    OMADownload.apk
    OMAProvisioning.apk
    OverlaySettingsProvider.apk
    PackageInstaller.apk
    PhoneAddons.apk
    PhoneConfig.apk
    PicoTts.apk [Text-to-speech]
    PNI-Moto.apk
    PolicyMgrProvider.apk
    PolicyMgrService.apk
    Preloaded.apk
    ProgramMenu.apk
    ProgramMenuSystem.apk
    RichTextCommon.apk
    Settings.apk [This APK stores the 3G Hotspot App now, so you can't remove the hotspot]
    Setup.apk
    SetupProvider.apk
    SetupSettings.apk
    SetupWizard.apk
    SoundRecorder.apk
    SpellingCheckService.apk
    StorageMonitorService.apk
    SuggestionsProvider.apk
    SuggestionsRuleCheckerCore.apk
    SuggestionsServiceScheduler.apk
    SystemUI.apk
    TelephonyProvider.apk
    Term.apk
    TtsService.apk [Text-to-speech]
    Upgrader.apk
    Usb.apk
    UserDictionaryProvider.apk
    Vending.apk
    VideoPlayer.apk
    VisualizationWallpapers.apk
    VoiceReadoutService.apk
    WmdrmDla.apk
    WmdrmWebpush.apk
    ZoomService.apk


    i bolded the vzw apps, i do believe the blockbuster app was added by verizon, but i could be wrong.

    this list was put together by binary, and as most of you know is quite intelligent when it comes to these kinds of things.

    and just to make it clear, i do not worry about bloat, my nexus is on the stock 4.0.4 rom, and i havent disabled the vzw bloat, will i? nah, not harming me, but when i go to a rom, i do not expect it to be there.

    bloat doesnt harm the os, just doesnt benefit me from having it there. :p
     
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    i do remember at one point we had issues with some of these apks not being deleted, but i do not remember when, could it have been the froyo days? yeah.
    could it be gb days? maybe early gb days, but not now
     
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