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  1. mrdeucie

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    I think I'm going to hold off till holidays sales roll around.

    5x prices dropped within 3 months of release.

    Great they are getting 4GB of RAM and an AMOLED display.

    Disappointed the Really Blue does not come in 128GB variant. Though not sure if I need the space for the extra $100.

    Pre-orders here
     

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    32GB without expansion doesn't work for me: I'm struggling with that at the moment, and these will have less user space with the seamless updates requiring more system space. So the only option here is the 128GB, which is priced so much higher than the obvious alternative (HTC 10 - same build quality, SD expansion, capacitative buttons to give more screen space) that I can't justify it.

    Shame, but there's always something: with the Nexus it was always storage or size (I'm not into phablets, & they never made a smaller one that was competitive on storage before). The 128 GB Pixel would work well for me, but while I can certainly afford it it just isn't worth that much extra compared to the alternatives: I can handle custom software, so while the Google software support would be nice I can live without it, and that's the main selling point of a Google phone for me - I don't really care about integration with Google services, as I turn off half of what's in all Androids anyway. Match the alternatives, or go just a bit higher, and the software support will win it for me. Ask for £200 more(*) and I can choose the alternatives and support my own software.

    (*) and yeah, I know that's for 128GB storage, but even the 32GB is £100 more, and as I have microSD cards already, so the effective price difference for me is £200. And I don't do carrier-subsidised phones.
     
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    Nope... not at that price.... Still it does make the oneplus 3 and the Honor 8 look even more attractive
     
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    For me the design is very bland - that and no SD support is putting me off - and no decent speakers

    Don't know what to do now - my M8 is falling over, my contract was due for renewal last April and since then I've got a new job and work have taken over the contract so it'll have to be a subsidised handset (on EE)

    My son has the P9 plus (not available on ee), other son has the HTC 10 (looks too much like a Samsung)

    Dunno what to get now :(
     
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    Ill hang onto my 64 gb Nexus 6p. Not only is it too expensive for me, but 32gb is too small and 128 gb is overkill for me.
     
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    I'm not getting these phones for the same principles for why I didn't get the first couple of Nexus devices. For the record, I've been exclusive to Nexus since the Nexus 4. It's going to take a couple iterations for google to get the Pixel right. At this point, I'm just frustrated that I waited out to get this phone when I could've gotten something else a while ago. I just ordered an international (it has all the bands) version of the silver galaxy s7 edge for $600 tax free on Amazon, minus 5% cash back for using my amazon card. No way I'm paying $650 plus tax for a pixel. There was no point in google building a phone from scratch if they weren't going to give it any exclusive hardware features. It basically amounts to a nice screen and camera, not much else. Google assistant will get ported to other android phones, it'd be silly for them not to. They're going to have to when they see how slowly the pixel sells.
     
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    Google's Nougat now offers a new setting in Developers options
    Great news for people who don't own a Nexus or Pixel device. I don't get it.
     
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    By that logic, why introduce adoptive storage with Marshmallow when no Google device will ever be able to use it?
     
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    That too. I really enjoy my Nexus devices. 64 GB is plenty for me. It's almost as if Google is playing catch up with itself.
     
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    A 64GB model for the price of the current 32GB one would have posed a problem for me: it would be a usable capacity at maybe £100 above the price of other comparable flagships, which is a sum I might be interested in paying for the software support (subject to confirmation of bootloader policy etc) . 128GB would allow a lot of nandroids, and if priced where the 32GB one is would have justified itself without any great difficulty.

    So let's see what game Google wish to play with pricing vs time. But we're 6 months from next year's major OEM flagships, which will offer newer processors, expansion, and probably usability features that the Pixels lack because they don't fit Google's philosophy. And if they lack Google Assistant, tant pis. So my expectation is that I'm out for these devices (with some regret, because I would like the software support if that is actually retained, but that is only one part of the package). And if my phone dies tomorrow (not impossible the way things have been going for me lately ;)) I'll just buy a HTC 10 and ROM it, won't give a second's thought to buying a Pixel right now.
     
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    I'm probably going to get the Pixel 32GB. I've always admired the iPhone for it's elegant (some might call boring) build, and I see this as Google's answer for that. I know I will miss waterproofing, but having owned Samsungs up until this point, I am very excited for a good user experience with properly designed and implemented software. The HTC 10 argument is a very good one and I was thinking of going that way too because it is currently 100 dollars cheaper, and has a slightly larger screen, greater screen resolution, OIS, great speaker and headphone quality, and a great build quality. But with the Pixel they made a big deal about optimizing things like touch latency and the camera's use of Qualcomm's built in image processing core to speed things up, and then there's reliable and fast software updates (including security patches, something I would consider critical in any modern computing device), 24/7 live and OS integrated support, and the perfect size for me. I don't need stereo speakers or more storage, I just want good performance and great experience, and I've found that OEM's have a hard time nailing the experience. So I'll pay a little extra to get that experience straight from Google on Google hardware. It has everything I need and nothing I don't, and the software and quality of user experience is paramount for me.
     
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    I hope this is a success so it will drive the price down of a used Nexus 6p :p:D
     
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    I have owned a Nexus 5 and now own a Nexus 5X. Google tried to transition to an expensive phone with the Motorola 6, listing at $649. They failed miserably. They are trying again with the Pixels and will fail again. The beauty of the Nexus phones was that you could get pure Android on higher-end phone at a reasonable price. Now Google throws that successful recipe out the window as they try to elbow into the high priced market held by Apple and Samsung. Why? There are only a limited number of people who can or want to spend $700 to $1000 for a damm cellphone! I am not one of them, so IF I were to upgrade to a Pixel phone, Google would have to cut the price by 50%.

    Also, these phones are manufactured by HTC to Google specs. HTC has been clinging to life by its fingernails for some time now, so one might wonder about the build quality of these phones and how they will hold up.
     
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    Google's Pixel XL priced like Apple's iPhone 7 Plus but is half as fast, lacks many key features
    By Daniel Eran Dilger
    Thursday, October 06, 2016, 07:27 am PT (10:27 am ET)

    Google's latest effort to show off its vision for "Pure Android" hardware costs the same as Apple's iPhone 7 Plus but is half as fast, lacks Optical Image Stabilization, a telephoto lens, weather resistance, support for wide color gamut and stereo speakers.

    Perhaps even more remarkably, the "first Phone by Google" lacks support for SD Cards and removable batteries and lacks the extra RAM and processing power needed to run Android.

    ....

    http://appleinsider.com/articles/16...one-7-plus-but-it-lacks-numerous-key-features
     
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    Because Appleinsider will give you a straight view of what's needed for an Android phone... ;)

    I'm not even going to bother reading the article: if it claims that 4GB and a Snapdragon 821 are not enough RAM or processing power to run Android that's proof that it's pure BS.

    Mind you, it seems that Google got lucky in choosing which year to take Apple on: Apple have stuck with the same design for the 3rd year running, the new model is being criticised for having worse battery life than the previous one, and the main new feature of the iPhone 7 is that it doesn't have a headphone port. So I can see why some of the iPhone crowd (like AppleInsider) might be feeling defensive. Their only silver lining is that Samsung have screwed-up spectacularly with the Note 7 (though that could also work to Google's advantage).
     
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    My first Android was HTC's own label version of the original Nexus and since then I've only had Nexus phones. I like the o/s updates, the lack of bloat and the fact they actually work really well. But mostly, I like the price/feature ratio: they're basically great value for money (well, except last year's N6).

    So far as I can see, the Pixel is the opposite: too many feature compromises (I can accept no water proofing or SD on a mid range phone, but not on something premium, not these days) and an eye watering price.

    I'm clearly not the target demographic :rolleyes:

    I understand Google's thinking, here: they see the fat profits Apple make controlling the experience - i.e. the hard and software - and they figure they'd like a piece of that action. Just a shame that they had to cut loose me and my fellow tightwads to do it ;)
     
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    That's my main issue with this phone. Well, that and the the whole stupid Verizon thing they have going on. I just can't see myself ever paying that much for a phone. It's a phone, let's keep that in mind here. Sure, it's so much more but I actually use the things as phones and some 'light reading' after that. No way will I pay that much. Heck, anything over the $400 mark is pretty much out. Truth be told, I wouldn't pay that much for a new laptop and that would last a whole lotta years longer...

    For some it's a no-brainer purchase. Just not for me and my needs.
     
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    True I run mm aosp roms on S5 with on 2 go ram and I've ran nougat it runs just fine on 2gb that article is total bs and S5 has an 801 chip this works just fine too
     
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    Just curious, on the s5 is there a way to get on screen buttons instead of using capacitive? I'm thinking of getting s5 since I don't want to spend so much on pixel.
     
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    If you get s5 get g900t or g900f
    And yes it is possible with root and bootloader unlock and exposed installed to use a nav bar is that what you mean
     
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    Thanks. I briefly used a galaxy and could not get use to capacitive buttons. I want the regular on screen nexus type buttons.
     
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    Then with the xposed mod gravity box is how you get nav buttons
     
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    I just ordered the black (although I would rather have had silver or blue but they were all sold out) 32GB Pixel from the Google Store. I currently have an LG V10 that I use for personal use on Tmobile and a cheap ZTE that in use for my "work" phone. I use very little data on my work phone, mainly used for talking and Texting.
    My V10 has 64GB and I looked and I have 42 free. I don't do tons of gaming and not tons of pics and videos. Some apps obviously.
    My main concern with the Pixel vs Pixel XL (which was all sold out, but some available sometime in November?)
    For me, this will be the first unlocked phone I will buy that I can use on virtually any network. That's big. I like that. Typically even if you buy a phone from Tmobile and have it unlocked maybe you can use it on AT&T but certainly not Sprint.
    Everybody has their preferences for carriers but for me it comes down to 2 things: what's my phone bill, and what's my coverage.
    I MAY try out Project Fi, I really haven't decided yet. I'm still paying for my V10 on Tmobile so, I'm not sure if I will use the Pixel as my personal phone or my work phone, but regardless I'm going to give it a try.
    I DO like the idea of using the unlimited picture and video storage. Certainly that should free up some space.
    The largest amount of space will be Apps. I look forward to trying the Dreamview VR when it ships later this year also, but that's just for fun.
    I am concerned about battery time. I hate leaving the house and having my phone die before I get home my cheapo ZTE on AT&T gophone lasts quite awhile but if the Pixel does truly have rapid charge I won't need to have my phone tied to they car charger while I'm in it all the time.
    I'm a Home Health nurse, so I drive around all day seeing people.
    I am a little concerned about going from a 5.5" screen with my V10 down to a 5" but we shall see. I don't think I would like anything smaller than 5, and am so used to the 5.5", so it should be interesting.
    Love the idea of no bloatware. That should be cool.
    I've had my ideal home screen set up for years. Incudes a time/weather digit and my most used icons. So....we shall see! Looking forward to it coming. Wont be here until October 24/25th. I ordered a small rubberized case and a USB car charger from Amazon (hoping it comes with a home charger in the box).
    I personally could care less about the "looks" of a phone. I've always had a case of some kind and screen protectors on my phones so they don't get broken and scratched. So I don't see the body really.
     
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    I'll stick with my Droid Turbo 2. I can disable most bloatware and I have a 200 GB micro SD card in it so there is plenty of storage. Not the "latest and greatest" but has been a great phone for me.
     
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    I bought two. First I bought a silver one which I'll give to my wife when it shows up. Next, I bought a black one that arrived yesterday and I've been using as my primary phone. Both are 32 GB.

    So far, I've been incredibly impressed. I'm coming out of a Nexus 5x which mysteriously stopped functioning a couple of weeks ago so I was already used to Android 7.0 but 7.1 has some nice tweaks that I don't remember seeing in 7.0. The build quality of this phone is excellent as well. It feels solid and high quality in your hand and items like the power and volume buttons which feel flimsy on most Android phones feel solid and well built on this phone. The phone runs smoothly with zero lag, the screen is great, and the battery life has been awesome in my very brief experience. I had the phone on for about 3 hours today and there's stil 43% of the battery left. My Nexus 5x would have half that if I were lucky. The screen is bright and sharp and the animations look and run great. I was worried about the speaker being on the back and it being mono but it's plenty loud. The fingerprint reader and the camera are the absolute fastest I've ever seen. Both are a major improvement.

    My lone complaint is that when I'm making calls in the car through my Bluetooth system the audio is completely garbled. I'm hoping if I delete the phone and re-pair that this will fix it. I've had multiple other phones paired to the car so I know the phone is the issue.

    Overall, I'm quite happy with this phone after 1.5 days of use.
     
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