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Discussion in 'Off Topic' started by GreenBeans, Nov 28, 2011.

  1. Guamguy

    Guamguy Android Expert

    Who gives a rats ass who is knighted? Lots of actors also gets knighted too, like Patrick Stewart and its mainly given to Britons only like Jonathan Ives. The Queen didn't knight both Steve Jobs and Wozniak for the Apple II but she did knight fellow Brit Sir Clive Sinclair for those Sinclairs. What happened to the Sinclairs now? Knighting doesn't mean shit.

    So far I have established that

    1. The Prada phone was already shown in public and in a design competition in 2006 which it won.

    2. Its resemblance extends not just to the iPhone but the iPhone 4. Not bad for a 2006 product eh?

    3. The LG Prada KE 850 and the Nokia 770 had been used successfully in courts in Europe to disprove claims of Apple's trade dress for this "design".

    LG did contemplate suing Apple for the design, but didn't considering the atmosphere was far less litigatious then and Apple was buying loads of LG components such as screens.

    Referring to the functionality of the Apple Newton? You're really full of beans. You apparently have never used an Apple Newton at all. The main thing that sets the Apple Newton apart from devices today is that its main text input comes from writing on the screen and having it recognized. It comes packaged with many things like a built in applications suit that includes PIMs, a spreadsheet and a word processor, as well as a MacPaint like app. The device has expandable slots and a removable battery, and finally it has a hinged cover that falls on the screen. You didn't see it in that video because the cover was folded to the back.


  2. AngelArs

    AngelArs Well-Known Member

    Speaking of not meaning anything.... either does the 'drop test' video posted.

    It does NOT show the phones close-up before they are dropped.

    It is edited in such a manner that makes the results meaningless.

    It's one of those videos that does nothing more than just take up space on you tube.

    Case closed ;)
  3. EarlyMon

    EarlyMon The PearlyMon
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    I remember 2003. I remember a lot of people rumoring that the iPod could become the iPhone. (And I know how PDA add-on modules really drove modern smartphones forward.)

    And I remember Jobs saying Apple was not working on an iPhone back then.

    So, how did 2003 and Jobs saying that they weren't working on it translate into they were?

    And who didn't like the Newton besides Jobs? I liked it.
  4. Cryssie

    Cryssie Well-Known Member

    The timeline in regards to the prada phone and the iphone 1 is irrelevant as those two bear little resemblance.
    It is the iphone 4 that looks a lot like the Prada and the Iphone 4 was released years after the Prada phone.
    In my personal opinion: at best this proves that Apple is not nearly as innovative as they think they are.
    About LG choosing not to sue, there could be a million reasons for that but if I were LG and doing pleasant business with Apple, I would not sue them over a 5 yo design. It is costly and not worth the effort because time did not stand still in the LG office either.

    Jonathan Ive being knighted is irrelevant, a knighthood does not make his work better or worse then it is.
    In regards to his design, I could repeat myself ad nauseum and repost my sources, but the fact remains that the iphone 4, despite being very pretty, well executed and solid, is not innovative, not durable and therefor not amazing industrial design.
  5. TJGoSurf

    TJGoSurf Android Expert

    Apple has billions in cash reserves. That's why they can afford to sue anybody, steal what they want, patent your idea, and sue you after stealing your idea.

    Litigation > Innovation is their playbook(not to be confused with that RIM tablet).
  6. EarlyMon

    EarlyMon The PearlyMon
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    I have said it before and I will continue saying it.

    The problem is that patent system was not adequate to protect high tech software. It was revised in the dot com days and lobby money played a part. It got terribly broken and the rest of the world followed suit.

    Had that not happened, we wouldn't be in this predicament.

    My qualifications for saying this is that I am a sole and joint inventor on hardware and software patents granted from the 80s to post dot com, USA, Japan, and elsewhere worldwide. I have had to defend my intellectual property rights legally here and overseas.

    Most of what is written in the popular press on modern mobile technology and the surrounding lawsuits is total rubbish aimed at shareholders, the buying public and potential juries.

    Make no mistake - Apple didn't start these lawsuit wars, but they are without doubt responsible for the insane escalation of them.

    And I don't believe in appeasement with bullies, I believe in fighting back. I don't believe blame is shared so equally in these cases.

    The majority of these lawsuits would have never happened without the so-called reform that broke the patent system altogether. It's not the first time in the history of the world that bad laws have been used to oppress rather than protect.

    If the smoke ever settles, lobby your congress critters to change the patent system and insist that the old standards ought not have been swept away.

    I don't believe that lack of intellectual property protection is the biggest threat to innovation today - and that's what the patent system was intended to protect.

    The biggest threat to innovation today is the meglomaniacal tendencies of the people who got too rich, too fast, never learned from history and have thought for so long that because they could buy lawmakers that that has made it right, alive or dead, because I include Jobs' legacy here.

    The battles on the forefront have a judge holding up a Samsung and Apple product asking if they can be distinguished from across the room (the attorneys for both sides could, the judge could not).

    The battle includes gestures on glass on a candy bar form factor.

    The battle includes practically nothing where innovation is concerned.

    Both sides did indeed absolutely innovate, but once upon a time, not every innovation was assigned a number and set up for a docket schedule.

    Anyway, these are just my opinions, thanks for reading.
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  7. Bob Maxey

    Bob Maxey Android Expert

    And run the test several more times and it is possible the iPhone would not break and the Galaxy would. You do not know if the video posted was the first drop test or the sixth.
  8. EarlyMon

    EarlyMon The PearlyMon
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    Every device has a weaker spot. Drop it so it hits on that spot with enough momentum, where there's insufficiently less elasticity to the device, and it will break, every time.

    I've seen phones ruined from just over a 2 foot drop that would otherwise survive a higher drop - just depends how it lands.

    Conservation of mass, energy and momentum - the momentum has to go somewhere. It doesn't just not happen.
  9. sethman88

    sethman88 Well-Known Member

    Iphone sucks end of story lol, android will always be better then the iphone for one reason, theres only one iphone and if you want Ios thats what your stuck with, with android you have a crap ton of different phones to choose from that all run basically simillar OS, therefore android is better
  10. EarlyMon

    EarlyMon The PearlyMon
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    Maybe. That's what they said about the Apple ][, the Mac, the Mac mouse, the Mac keyboard and the iPod at one time.

    Besides - as of right now, there isn't only one iPhone - there are three iPhones in production - 3gs, 4 and 4s.

    Did Apple do that in response to Android? Maybe.

    Competition is a good thing. Everyone wins except the losers.
  11. Bob Maxey

    Bob Maxey Android Expert

    A terrible reason. People might not care about the 34,435 Android phones on the market because all they want is a phone. The iPhone is a great device with millions of happy users that do not frequent forums to learn how stupid they are, how hated they are, how terrible Jobs was, (RIP, Mr. Jobs) and the rest of the BS posted on all sorts of forums.

    They saw it, they liked it, they bought it, they use it, they worship it and we do not exist to those people. I did learn recently that if you drop a glass object it will break. That's something, I guess.

    For some, Android is better. For others, iOS is better. For me, I wanted a nice big phone without a contract and that limits my choices. Mine is likely bigger than yours. Smiley.

    I worry about all of those Android phones out there. Sad that nobody seems to get things right, so let's try to sell this one and if it does not sell, we had better try something else. Whoops, that did not work, let the sheep in on this one, it is built by supreme beings in the Overlord's robot factories buried deep beneath the planet.

    Sorry, that did not sell, so lets go with this one here. Yeah, that's the ticket. It comes in purple this time and you know how people love purple.

    Lets bombard them with constant aOS upgrades. I sure hope other developers can get our OS right this time. Wait, lets offer a larger screen and rip off Siri and promote it with robots on TV. We will release our latest models this month and after they sell well, we will upgrade them and make them twice as fast and half as cheap. Just wait until Double-Dutch Brownie 1.0 comes out. We are running out of desert names for upgrades. Perhaps Pineapple or Gooseberry? They are fruity sounding names, so perhaps Apple users will accidentally buy our phones. I mean, from reading the forums, Apple users are a stupid as a fir covered hammer or an all pig chorus line.

    I am thinking by giving them 12,569 new phones this quarter, hopefully we can begin to compete with Apple. Until Apple releases the $50.00 iPhone 6, then we will need to manufacturer other things because our phone do not sell. Perhaps tablets. Until Apple releases a $200.00 7-inch tablet. Hmmm, perhaps we can make toasters. Robot powered toasters. Does George Lucas own that name?

    Apple got it right the first time. Users buy one phone every year or so, not like the Android fanboys and girls that are suckered into upgrading endlessly; rooting and bricking and complaining and going to an Apple store. Heck, it took the root developers to get Android right. At least most of what Google developed they did not steal from Apple. I read where Google stole the name Apple from IBM. I sure hope Apple grows a pair and starts suing others for infringing. Come on Apple, are you afraid of court? Grow a pair.

    You sheep buy anything with the Android logo. All you need to do is start setting up Android Genius Bars and you are set. No wait, Apple stole all the Genius types and I read some of the posts on various Android Forums so perhaps we should just call them Bars.

    We have orchards where Mom's Apple Pies come from. You guys are all about robots and remember, robots kill humans. No thank you. Apple gives us little apple stickers that eventually sell for big bucks and not one stinking robot sticker from Android. I guess the profit margins are so slim, they can't afford the cost. Perhaps one day, Apple will license iOS and then you will have a chance to compete.

    Big Smiley
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  12. Cryssie

    Cryssie Well-Known Member

    That made absolutely no sense whatsoever.
    But I suppose it bothers you a lot.
  13. TxGoat

    TxGoat Guest

    Bloggers should be required two take too years off Grammar.

  14. AngelArs

    AngelArs Well-Known Member

    Very well stated. Momentum is energy, and you can't destroy energy, it has to go somewhere. All future cell phones will probably be using Gorilla Glass II or the equivalent, so the screen should no longer be the weak link :)
  15. Bob Maxey

    Bob Maxey Android Expert

    Is it me or does that cat have a mustache? I would never trust a cat with a mustache.
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  16. Guamguy

    Guamguy Android Expert

    The results are consistent to other videos as well as many reports in the forums. Yes, the iPhone 4 and 4S cracks when drops and both the Galaxy S and S2 are remarkably impact resistant.
  17. AngelArs

    AngelArs Well-Known Member

    Oh well then its GOTTA be true 'eh :roll eyes:

    Everyone knows you can't argue with videos made by 15 year olds :eek: :D

    BTW, I read an article today by PC Mag. You'd think that they would be unbiased but this article wasn't. If a reputable company like PC Mag can put out trash, then so can a 15 year old with daddys camcorder. Just because it's "on the net' is meaningless.
  18. Bob Maxey

    Bob Maxey Android Expert

    Patrick Stewart would have never been made captain of a star ship unless he was knighted. So yes . . . it makes a difference.
  19. Guamguy

    Guamguy Android Expert

    iPhone 4 vs. Nokia C7 drop test.

    Nokia C7 wins.

    Drop Test - iPhone 4 versus Nokia C7 - YouTube

    Tablet drop test, iPad 2 vs. Galaxy Tab vs. Xoom

    iPad 2, Motorola Xoom, Samsung Galaxy: Drop Test Comparison - YouTube

    iPad cracks up the most, Galaxy Tab the least.

    Samsung Galaxy S II : Drop Test - YouTube

    Pretty solid results for the Galaxy S2.

    iPhone 3G Crash Test - YouTube

    Electronics still work but the iPhone is completely messed up.

    HTC Legend Drop Test - YouTube

    HTC Legend survives multiple drops and throws with only scratches.
  20. AngelArs

    AngelArs Well-Known Member

    You seem to have "over looked" a few..... :D

    Cracked SHW-M250L Super AMOLED Plus Screen - YouTube

    Must be those inferior materials.... :D
  21. Cryssie

    Cryssie Well-Known Member

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  22. androidfonefan

    androidfonefan Well-Known Member

    Apple is just following Microsofts lead.
  23. IOWA

    IOWA Mr. Logic Pants

    If you got a virus within a year there is a 99% chance that it is completely your fault.

    Also, Mac OSX is ALWAYS first to fall in hacking contests.

    And Apple products (iPad) are more productive? Please.

    (Quoting myself from this thread.)
    All of this also applies to my Asus transformer, which also has the same capabilities.

    Please, I implore you, try to find *any* iDevice that has that kind of productivity.
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  24. EarlyMon

    EarlyMon The PearlyMon
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    From a physics standpoint that is totally incorrect.

    Gorilla Glass is very cool.

    It also will shatter dramatically if stressed properly.

    It's still glass, not transparent aluminum.

    Some people treat their phones like dress watches and so some are styled that way by their makers. The expectations about how these phones will respond to dropping is fine and all, but really is a lot of false viral marketing.

    Look at the CASIO G'zOne COMMANDO.

    If you want to design something to withstand dropping and rough treatment, then simply put, that's what you design for. You make the body more elastic to protect inner components.

    You don't make both sides out of stressed glass.

    Do make both sides out of stressed glass if you are looking to make something visually appealing to many, like a dress watch.

    I still fail to see what the dropping arguments are trying to prove, because product design - like almost all design - is a matter of balancing compromised goals at every turn.

    While marketing and these silly videos suggest this or that has an uncompromising design, the truth is that to anyone who creates products the expression uncompromising design makes about as much sense as dry water.

    There is no such thing.
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  25. AngelArs

    AngelArs Well-Known Member

    Everything transparent will shatter at some point. That's not the issue. The issue is to move the point of where it shatters past that of rough handling. As I understand it Gorilla Glass II does that.

    Time will tell :cool:
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