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Apple copied LG?!!?!

Discussion in 'Off Topic' started by GreenBeans, Nov 28, 2011.

  1. AngelArs

    AngelArs Well-Known Member

    Good report. Instead of using the phrase "amount of glass" I would prefer "the use of rear glass". Other phones have large front screens and still aren't as fragile. It looks like Apple is taking so long to bring out the iPhone 5 because they will most likely move away from the design of so much glass. I don't know why they're using glass on the back of the phone anyway. Most likely for cosmetic reasons but I think they've learned their lesson. I would much prefer a stainless steel rear to glass, with a larger front piece of glass (like the GSII). Not sure why they don't use some sort of gaskets to cushion the front glass more or why it's not laminated better. With all the technology around in this field I find it hard to believe that they can't figure out something... :eek:
     

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  2. EarlyMon

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    New phones are going from consumables to disposables.

    Who loses if the phone is built just sub-par enough that you're happy to replace one, year after year?

    Not the makers. They've figured out plenty.
     
  3. AngelArs

    AngelArs Well-Known Member

    One thing I know for a fact is that Apple takes their reputation very seriously. Apple is not going to cut corners just to sell an extra phone. Maybe other companies like Nokia will do this, but not Apple.
     
  4. EarlyMon

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    The company's under new management. Perhaps things won't change, perhaps they will.

    But Apple already cuts corners on their products. I own a lot of Apple gear, and I think that a number of products do give value for the money.

    But if you think they haven't thought of things like gasketing, asked themselves what the payoff would be in additional sales vs cost to add it in, think again.

    Recall antenna-gate. A number of people under Ives said the outer antennas needed covering - a poly coat would have served. They decided not to because the appearance degradation of a poly coating might affect sales, and Ive didn't believe the effect was real. That's been documented in leaked memos and emails. The PR nightmare and the very real bad design decision were both quite real. The poly-coat would have cost pennies.

    And Jobs did take his reputation seriously. He went to try to demonstrate that all phones had the problem - even though only his new baby was the one dropping calls because of it. And that's not why he gave away free bumpers - it was for the PR. Yes. Ok. Sure.

    Everyone cuts corners to sell another. Everyone.

    Even the guys with the most advanced RF anechoic testing chamber in the industry (Apple).
     
  5. EarlyMon

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    Remove the ability for the glass to shatter and then we'll see if the force is translated into internal components instead?

    Perhaps that was your original point? Apologies if I missed that.

    Anyway, the G'zOne Commando is pretty good if you're worried about a rugged phone.
     
  6. AngelArs

    AngelArs Well-Known Member

    Probably less. A swipe of clear nail polish will fix the problem.

    Which probably cost more than the poly coat would have :)
     
  7. AngelArs

    AngelArs Well-Known Member

    Yes, way back in post 115 :D

    Apple loves to cram a lot inside their devices. I feel sorry for those components. I'm surprised Lexan isn't used in some form more. If it's good enough for astronaut helmets, then it should be good for a phone case...
     
  8. EarlyMon

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    Yes.

    Sad, wasn't it?

    On free bumpers:
    Compared to the cost of bumper per phone using them or the total cost of limited bumper program vs. number of phones in total produced with the problem?

    Cutting corners often comes out in the wash and they paid - a little.

    Poly-coating the metal would have added a process and a number of cost-increasing QA and contracting steps. It's not like the cost of toenail polish at home for one device, where the labor is free. But I digress.

    Even after they stopped with the give away and still did nothing about the problem, they continued to sell very well.

    Seems that cutting corners until the product was subpar and becoming the laughingstock in the media didn't hurt them a lick.

    This might surprise you, but a number of people actually believe that phone was well-designed, from an engineering standpoint.
     
  9. AngelArs

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    Depends on how you look at it. The SquareTrade article posted above showed that it is a very reliable phone, quote;

    I think the rear glass is it's downfall. Too much glass. It's the American Motors Pacer of the phone world :D
     
  10. Slug

    Slug Check six!
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    Schwiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiing! :D
     
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  11. motorazr

    motorazr Newbie

    I hate how much apple products limit the user...

    Its fine for people like my mom who have limited technical prowess but for people like me (cs major) or those who use computers to actually do something worthwhile rather than wasting time on facebook or gaming 24/7, its just not useful.

    Those who use macbooks in my major (rofl @ them) have to dual boot windows to get work done. I laugh every time one of them comes up to me and shows off their macbook's 4gb ram and crappy processor...

    I laugh again, watching them boot windows to do their course work, while I get my work done on my 300 dollar netbook. I go to my room, where my monster desktop with an i5 2500k 4.8ghz, 16gb ram, 2x256gb ssd raid 0, and CF 6990 awaits me.

    Apple products are for people who want to look cool but ultimately the products end up becoming toys... they're awesome to look at because they look cool but they just don't make sense if you want control over your devices... you should not be bound by your computer... you should be the one to have full control over it.

    The iphone looks nice and all but really... its just a toy. My friends have iphones and they let me use it... but compared to the joy I felt on another friend's android..... well... that's why I went with android and I'm lovin it...

    Mom has iphone, and both mom and dad have ipad (which I like... its a toy imo but at least its design is well done)
     
  12. AngelArs

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    And no doubt they are laughing at you because your tiny netbook can't :D
     
  13. EarlyMon

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    Or they're for people like me.

    I use mine for all sorts of tasks that you might find in your CS courses. You might be very surprised.

    And you can make friends by telling your classmates about Parallels or VMWare or VirtualBox to avoid that dual-boot you're describing.
     
  14. IOWA

    IOWA Mr. Logic Pants


    That's how I run windows and Linux side by side =)
     
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  15. motorazr

    motorazr Newbie

    actually my 300 dollar netbook does get my work done and has allowed me to maintain a 3.8 gpa. it was my first "laptop" and i got it 3 yrs ago. i have a very good desktop now... and i still use my netbook cuz its nifty... and running an IDE is not exactly intensive... you don't need a 1200 dollar apple netbook (air) to learn programming or concepts rofl...

    i told them to use vmware but even they prefer using windows 7 dual boot rather than that.... most of them regret buying their macbooks LOL. couple of my friends dont do that fusion thing anymore... they just run windows as main os lol

    i'm not saying macs are terrible (they employ some unique and interesting techniques) but the whole user experience is one of hand holding... you're not really given freedom to do as you want to...

    also its hilarious that people pay premium to get worse hardware for the price and buy apple products just because they're apple... its like those idiots who shell out 2k+ for their alienwares which my 1500 dollar desktop (which I saved up for 2 yrs) can beat easily. grats on paying more for a logo

    you can defend apple all you want but in the end you're paying more for mere looks and not functionality.

    you buy apple products to have fun with. you buy windows if you want to get something done. unless you're a photographer or something... lucky bastards have fun and get stuff done LOL xDDDD
     
  16. AngelArs

    AngelArs Well-Known Member

    ...like updating your spyware, malware and virus definitions :D
     
  17. SamuraiBigEd

    SamuraiBigEd Under paid Sasquatch!

    Others have said it and I will repeat it now, that is because Apple computers account for 8% or less of the total computer market worldwide. It is simple numbers, if they had a higher percentage then there would be far more viruses, malware and spyware for them. They aren't immune to it, just not an attractive target.

    I have never in 12 years had a virus on my Windows systems, as Iowa stated it is usually the users fault, at least before drive-by-downloads became prevalent. I still have yet to get one though I have caught a few in the process.
     
  18. AngelArs

    AngelArs Well-Known Member

    Oh you really don't want to go down that path now do you? You are grossly misinformed and obviously haven't researched the topic pass the 'urban myth' stage :rolleyes:
     
  19. SamuraiBigEd

    SamuraiBigEd Under paid Sasquatch!

    Everything I find across the internet and in the news backs these figures up. If you have access to something I don't please share it with me so I can review it for myself. I am merely going by the data I have to make my assumptions and am willing to consider any reliable source for arriving at a conclusion.
     
  20. EarlyMon

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    Evidently, Apple vs LG is now a dead subject.

    I suppose I will look for other threads to merge this with or move posts to or something.

    Apple vs Windows threads do always bring out information, misinformation, strong opinions, and humorous, fun comments.

    But last I checked, neither Apple nor Android phones run OS X or Windows.

    But any thread with Apple in the name always leads to this hijacking - we all get drawn in, I guess. :D

    Meanwhile, have fun, continue replying, it is the Lounge, and I will try to find a suitable home for the latest debate in the meantime. :)
     
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  21. AngelArs

    AngelArs Well-Known Member

    And by "figures" I'm assuming you mean the 8% figure? If so then it appears that the last time you updated your "research" was back in 2008 :rolleyes: Today Apple has acquired the third spot at 12.9% and growing at a much faster rate than any other computer company. This is what the experts (including the CEO of HP) says about Apples growth in 2012 :) But this isn't about market share, it's about viruses and why one platform gets them when another does not. See below.



    And assumptions is all that they are. Market share has NOTHING to do with who gets viruses. That way of thinking is just FUD! The topic of viruses is complex and goes back many years. My apologies in advance but in order to understand the facts this will take a little reading. I'll try to keep it as brief as possible though ;) Long gone are the days when size of a operating system platform had anything to do with getting, or not getting, a virus. But let
     
  22. Roze

    Roze Hiding behind a mystery

    ^--- OMG Angel, are you writing a book here? Where's my synopsis?
     
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  23. IOWA

    IOWA Mr. Logic Pants


    One sentence to debunk youre whole paragraph.

    MacOSX is nearly always First to fall in hacking contests. Since its existence.

    Secondly, if you really want to compare security, Windows 7 is just as every bit secure as the latest version od OSX, if not moreso because of all the tools developed over the years.

    And i assure you, if I felt like learning Objective C and the ins and outs of MacOSX I (or any other programmer) could write a malware thats every bit as bad as any Windows kit thats been developed over the last decade.

    Once Admin/SU rights are granted, it's game over. Doesnt matter what operating system you're using.

    And since OSX doesnt have many tools to fight off an "infection" once it's started, you could say Windows is technically the more secure OS.

    Again, the way most computers get "infected" is through social engineering. Last time I checked users of all categories fall for these traps and grant badware Admin rights.

    Architecture design has nothing to do with social engineering.


    FYI, there are already quite a few malware programs written for and used on OSX. There won't be any "firsts" for anyone. Please do some research.

    Bottom line: an OS's biggest weakness (as of Today) is always the end user. This takes most technical aspects out of the equation anyway.

    Good day.
     
  24. AngelArs

    AngelArs Well-Known Member

    You mean CliffsNotes? :D

    BTW the butler did it...


    You're not very big on comprehension I take it. We're talking about viruses and the market share myth. But since you want to go off topic - did you know that it turns out that with sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine :eek:

    Apparently you saw the word 'Apple' and your eyes glazed over, and you immediately morphed into your Apple haters frame of mind and started type, type, typing away.

    BTW apples float because 25 percent of their volume is air.

    I'm talking about the fruit :eek: :D


    Yeah I notice you keep saying this. Not sure if you're trying to convince us or yourself. Most of those so-called 'hacking wins' were through old versions of Safari, NOT OS X. As Homer Simpson would say... D'oh! Since you apparently don't know it Safari is a browser, not a operation system. Big difference. You lose. Oh and the very next day Apple issued a fix, and on top of that every Mac user already knows to uncheck the
     
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