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Discussion in 'Politics and Current Affairs' started by SiempreTuna, Apr 2, 2013.

  1. ItnStln511

    ItnStln511 Android Enthusiast

    Such as the presidency?

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  2. ElasticNinja

    ElasticNinja Android Expert

    Well I hope it was more of a case of him being forced to analyse his views, seeing the fallacy and illogicality of them, and thus retracting them. Maybe it was just the board quietly warning him, though. Either way this sends a message to supporters that fascism is not a conductive ideology to a modern society.

    I don't recall any socialists becoming US President..? Perhaps you mean France?
  3. A.Nonymous

    A.Nonymous Extreme Android User

    Just seems that Europe is less tolerant of free speech than the US is.
  4. ElasticNinja

    ElasticNinja Android Expert

    Probably. You can use bad language on the radio, or show breasts (at least after the watershed), but libel is quite broad, and hate speech is less tolerated. The US never had a totalitarian regime on its doorstep, or actually in it, different culture I guess.
  5. EarlyMon

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    ^History fail?
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  6. ElasticNinja

    ElasticNinja Android Expert

    Well I don't know, I mean obviously the US originated from an undemocratic monarchy but so did an awful lot of countries. Stalinism and Naziism? Not so much I think.
  7. SiempreTuna

    SiempreTuna Android Expert
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    I thought it maybe referred to Mexico. Under the Spanish.

    Even in the good ol' days when the US was still British (I know they still miss us, really), we had a constitutional monarchy, not an absolute monarch and the country was run by an elected* Parliament.

    And that wee misunderstanding back in the 1770s? That was the Americans refusing to contribute a few quid toward the war we'd just fought for them. Hardly the iron heel of absolutism - more shameless ingratitude ..


    * obviously, the democracy part of that was somewhat debatable ..
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  8. SammanthaX345

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  9. EarlyMon

    EarlyMon The PearlyMon
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    Extreme history fail.

    The European empires, most definitely the British included, treated their own colonists here with torture and death without trials, and could seize property or occupy homes at will by force of arms.

    Rape, theft, plunder, extortion, torture and death under constant "military law" were neither isolated nor rare here. You can call the system of government in Britain at the time what you will, here the people were subjected to a military regime and it was absolutely totalitarian. The ensuing wartime atrocities were as extreme as the times knew.

    Decades later came the invasion and sacking of our cities in the early 1800s.

    Over a century later, Nazis were on the ground here, killing and sabotaging on both coasts at minimum.

    And prior to the revolution, this was the dirty little playground for the French and British empires. It was the British that introduced scalping to the Native Americans, a bounty was paid for French heads, and scalps were more expedient. Prior to that, the Spanish empire, definitely.

    I believe that every free nation has a tendency to form laws and customs based on experiences.

    PS - hilarious view that we refused to pay a few quid for a war fought on our behalf. Absolutely, completely hilarious. Many thanks for the laugh of the day.

    Anyway - carry on with your discussion, cheers! :)
  10. SiempreTuna

    SiempreTuna Android Expert
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    Oh yeah ..

    But c'mon: it's miles away ..

    Yes, but be fair: they treated their own citizens exactly the same ..

    Err .. not quite. The only invasion was the US attempting to invade Canada.

    A short recap:

    The US noticed that Britain was kinda busy dealing with Napoleon and thought it would be a good idea to steal Canada. So, they made 4 demands of the British (I forget what exactly - something to do with shipping, exports and naval 'recruitment'). The British agreed to all the demands except, I think, part of one relating to British citizens.

    The US then sent 3 armies to invade Canada anyway. Or at least, they tried to invade but had their butts handed to them. By a much smaller force - a few dozen squadies and a couple of locals indians .. more or less ;)

    The British, still being rather busy with Napoleon, didn't want the distraction of a war in the west so spent the next couple of years trying to persuade the Americans to stop being a pain.

    The Americans refused.

    A couple of your biggest battleships then had the temerity to sink a couple of our rowboats so we finally lost patience and were forced to kick a little backside. That may have included burning bits of Washington, but y'know: a point needed to be made.

    Napoleon was then defeated, meaning the British would now be able to take a little more notice.

    The Americans realised the smart thing would be to quit being a pain so finally agreed to the exact terms they'd been offered right at the beginning of the conflict.

    Unfortunately, the agreement was signed in Paris and by the time news got back to the US there'd been a couple of other minor incidents. Might have included the sacking of a couple of other towns .. I forget.

    On the upside, one of those incidents did lead to The Star Spangled Banner being written, so at least you came out of the war ahead one song. If nothing else.

    There's an excellent lecture about the whole story on the National Archives website - you should check it out.
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  11. EarlyMon

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    Whose citizens did you imagine were living here? :D
  12. SiempreTuna

    SiempreTuna Android Expert
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    Well, quite ;)
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