What's the question or issue?

 

Many of those programs "corporate calendar...reg email" are part of the underlying android system.

Shop Savvy and many others start up automatically when you restart your phone...you should be able to stop any app that you installed.

You may want to just add all the default programs to the ignore list and hide em.

EDIT:
It should also be noted that Android does its own memory management and will close apps that aren't being used to open new apps. It is fairly good at this and the Android OS is not like a BB where you need to stop memory leaks. I haven't reset my phone in about 4 days...and I have about 40 Megs of mem available always if not more.

 

The guy at the Verizon store is way wrong. You probably already noticed this, but many apps don't have a quit/close option because it let's the OS handle these things.

I haven't had my phone crash yet. I have done a few restarts just to get an idea of performance boosts and what not and I can tell you that it's just not there. This is a solid phone with a solid OS. I am running 4 different home options right now and it is still solid and as fast as ever.

 

my phone lags pretty bad when I have multiple apps running. i often will use task killer to free up memory and i goes from say 30megs free to 90-100 megs so why isn't Android 2.0 closing all these programs I NEVER use to make room for the ones am? I have to do it manually. any advice?

 

fundamental difference in how linux and other OSes (specifically i'm thinking windows is what you're used to) work. apps don't close because the OS keeps them in memory so you can quickly come back to them. if you were to open another app that needed the memory from another program that you "closed" a while ago, it will release that memory as necessary.

ultimately, you don't need to kill tasks to make room for other ones. the operating system handles that for you. as an ex windows user i can appreciate being paranoid seeing a lot of stuff open. but after a week of being OCD about closing tasks with task killer, and then a week of "letting it be", i can say my droid experience is better and faster *not* using task killer and letting the OS handle it all. you just have to learn to ignore your natural instinct to kill stuff you *think* should be killed.

 

Good to see this response (if it's correct). I am one of the OCD guys using task killer like a wild man b/c it bothers me seeing 5-10 programs taking up memory. I will go a while without using it to test your theory. Btw, I'm not saying your wrong...I'm just used to Windows way of doing things.

 

i'm hoping it is correct, anecdotally i know it seems to be working for me, but i can't say with certainty that it's right what i can say is that, it's information compiled from multiple other threads, and in those threads, posts from people who were very very convincing that they know what they were talking about (enough to make me change my ways). i'll see if i can dig up the one specific post i'm thinking of.

edit: FWIW i do still have advanced task manager installed, and use it occasionally, most often to kill the "camera" app. and i run startup auditor on boot, to kill (and keep killed) a lot of the tasks i don't ever use or see a reason to have start on boot. so i'm not running my droid "completely naked", but i am keeping my finger off the task manager icon as much as i can stand to!

edit: one of the posts i was convinced by:

http://androidforums.com/motorola-droid/18334-task-killer-apps-truth-2.html#post116900

(post 80 if direct link doesn't work)

there's a lot of great info in that entire thread.

also, this page:

http://www.droidforums.net/forum/dr...ot-worry-about-apps-running-background-3.html

mods, i hope we're allowed to link to other forums, if not please remove, thank you!

 

chefboyardee, I agree with what you are saying based on multiple other threads saying the same thing. the problem is that what I am experiencing doesn't line up with that. like I said when I am doing a lot of stuff the phone slows say down, or I even get force closes. I have to open task killer and shut them down to free up the memory cause apparently linux doesnt run well on my phone. I did let it be and un installed ATK about a week back, i had to re install it to kill some apps that were making my phone so laggy is was un usable. any thoughts? when I kill the apps it speeds up, so I keep ATK on the phone and use it as needed although I am not OCD about it.

 

unfortunately that's been my experience as well - while logically i agree with the above posts i referenced, and in most cases they seem to be right, i'm experiencing the same as you with certain apps. i'd say it's poor app developers writing buggy code that doesn't allow proper memory releases or garbage collection or whatnot, but the built in camera app seems to be a major problem for me and i'd assume that at least has proper memory management.

so, yeah, while i'm an advocate of trying not to use ATK/ATM whenever possible - there are definitely times when i find it's necessary - to the point where my apps organizer folders on my home screen won't open, until i use ATM to kill all open apps, and then my apps organizer folder will open with no problems.

i would love to hear someone with more system-level experience weigh in that could explain in layman's terms why we're experiencing this in light of linux's native "memory freeing" code etc. i thought i understood all the posts i read - but there are definitely times where that logic doesn't line up with my actual experience on the phone.

 

The verizon guy told me this as well! Idiots. He said, and I quote, "Android can't run more than 5 apps at a time without rebooting". I said "I don't think that's true at all", and he said "it's currently an issue Motorola needs to resolve". It's one thing to be uncertain with a new OS, but it's another to positively assert something that is completely false.

I took my phone in because it would randomly reboot about once a day. That was a week ago, and it's still doing it (they wouldn't replace it). If it IS in fact being caused by an app I have installed, I need to narrow it down soon, before my 30 days are up.

 

Get the app Startup Auditor from the Market - using that I've been able to stop crap I don't use like Corporate Calender, Bluetooth Sharing, etc from starting up with the phone. It keeps them from restarting automatically too.

 

Good god...how long is it going to take before this moronic explanation of "Linux keeps stuff in memory" goes away? Every thread like this has some idiot who insists on it but never has any proof. No, you don't need to kill everything, but there are a lot of very poorly coded apps for our Android systems...and it's a very bad idea to just assume they all don't hurt you when running in the background.

Get an app killer, add programs you definitely want running in the background to the ignore list...go on an app-by-app basis for apps you open frequently, but definitely kill apps that you don't want running that can be memory hogs, because the truth is they DON'T sit in the background and do nothing like several people in this thread incorrectly believe. You will never get rid of the Android-system default ones though..they are made by Google so they should be done well enough that they won't hurt you by running in the background...it just sucks they need so many stupid ones (Corporate Calendar).

I don't know how many times I've opened my phone to read a text message, tried to reply, but the soft-keyboard is obnoxiously laggy. "Oh, I'll check TaskPanel," I say. I can always find that within the 3rd or 4th suspicious app I close, my Droid is suddenly perfectly responsive again.

 

Mine would reboot on an average 6x's a day and i took mine in with a completely fresh install and while on my way to store it did a lock up out. Of course in awesome tech fashion we couldnt get it to duplicate while at the store so hence no replacement.

Did get the manager to put task killer on my phone and give me the same crap line about android not managing it's own programs blah blah blah. I told him he was incorrect but he then proceeded to tell me he just got his Droid yesterday and didnt have time to play with it yet??

Anyways no lockups that night for 4 hours until 11pm when in a span of 2 hours and 2 new refresh installs I ended up with 3. Atleast on the fresh installs its documented that you were programming the phone with Verizon so on Saturday morning I called Ver CSR and talked about situation, they sent me a new phone!

If this one locks up again it's by by droid for me. As much as i love the phone, i can't put up with the random reboots and i wont be handicapped by not using apps because of the reboot. Ill just have to go back to my storm until these bugs are confirmed fixed.

Speaking of the Idiot sales reps, you would think since this phone was heavily marketed that Verizon wouldve properly trained their store sales reps AND maybe passed out a few phones to them before hand to work on so they would atleast know WTF they were talking about!

 

Right, you're a genius, and everyone else is an idiot.

Oh wait, except I said EXACTLY THAT in my post.

And in my other posts, referenced my research so people could make their own decisions.

Unless you work for Motorola, Verizon, or are a Linux system admin, stop implying you KNOW the answer, and keep your flame-bait comments to yourself until you have something worthwhile to add.

edit: And if you do work for one of them, by all means please link us to your research/knowledge base. Until then you're just speaking anecdotally like the rest of us. In any event, you have no reason to call anyone trying to help an idiot. Especially when your reading comprehension is sub-par.

 

Be careful bud. Don't cry that other people don't know the answer when you're the one making the obnoxiously absurd claim that we can run everything in the background because Android is Linux. You've CLEARLY never used Linux, and you clearly have no idea what causes the lag. I don't have to have designed the phone to have more than basic knowledge of how an operating system works, especially one I've used for more than a decade.

Yes Linux handles memory and how applications can use it differently, but that does not mean it somehow pauses applications that aren't in the foreground. Any application running can do whatever it wants all the time. Most of the time we have no problem with that for things like automatic updates, but there are tons of poorly coded apps that do unnecessary status checks while not in the foreground that do nothing more than drain the battery.

I'm asking you to use common sense. You can't claim Task Killer apps don't help if you apply the smallest amount of common sense. Adding on the claim that they actually hurt things because they're causing lag is not only stupid, but it's completely at odds with your hypothesis (I'm being too nice with that word, more like, "complete ignorant assumption"...

Now you seriously want to claim that it's a popularity contest? Mass stupidity grown from an incorrect claim somehow dictates fact and fiction? How old are you anyway? Don't ask me for research, because there's nothing to research! This is how operating systems work! They don't "pause" applications! They can multitask and can run in the background, or they don't multitask at all and can only run one task at a time (iPhone).

 

Actually, you'll see that I said multiple times that was speaking anecdotally, based on my experience, I was explaining what I've read, and pointed to my research. I never said I KNEW jack or that anything was certain, and there is no POSSIBLE way you can claim to "know" unless you worked on the Android kernel yourself, or reverse engineered it, both of which I highly doubt.

And if you would LEARN HOW TO READ you would see that I clearly explain that, while the concept of Linux memory management is that we shouldn't need ATM or ATK, we actually DO because of third party apps that are poorly written. Pick up a 5th grade reading comprehension book for me before posting, will you?

Congratulations, you're a Linux nerd and wanted to jump in with "I use Linux hooray look at me I'm so cool!" That's so amazing, color me impressed! Similarly, my grandmother uses Windows, and has no idea how the memory management for it works. So your "I've used Linux for 10 years!" claim means jack to me.

And actually, I've not only used it for a solid 10-15 years, but my job is to program for multiple OSes, including Linux. So I have a bit of an understanding of how it works, yeah. Thanks for assuming though.

Right. Exactly like I said in my post. That there are poorly written third party apps that may need to be killed by ATM. GREAT reading comprehension.

Yes, and based on my knowledge of the concept of RAM, and the inner workings of Linux, I am. As are the other 20 or 30 people backing my claims, which led me to my assumptions in the first place. But I don't see you battling with them, just screaming your baseless claims here at me without any kind of real information (other than "I use Linux bow to me I AM SO SMRT!!1!") to back you up. Interesting.

Please, tell me where I said ATM/ATK hurts things?

Huh? WTF are you even talking about? When did popularity contest come up? I assume you mean the research I have to back up my post. Well, I'll take 10 or 15 people saying similar, intelligent, logical things (as well as posting about their experiences) to one very loud, obnoxious jackass like yourself who's just screaming for the sake of hearing himself scream any day. So no, while it's not necessarily a popularity contest, it does help that there's more than one person making a claim, AND they all speak WAY more intelligently than you do.

Probably significantly older than you, little boy. Actually, doing 10 seconds of internet research, I am significantly older than you, considering you were born in 1985, the same year as my much younger sister. And I've been working with computers since, well, you were literally 2 years old, if you want to get into a pissing match about it.

Anyway, please, tell me what that has to do with anything. There's a 14 year old on these forums (see the video-out thread) who's probably smarter than most of the 30-60 year olds I know. So I don't see the point of your question.

What's the most obnoxiously absurd to me is that I'm in this thread trying to help out, posting my experience, and linking to other threads talking about the same thing - you jump in with "idiot" this, "moronic" that - all based off your own researchless assumptions of what you think is "common sense" (in spite of all the other threads with intelligent people refuting what you claim is fact) - and you have the audacity to ask how old I am?

That is the SINGLE STUPIDEST THING I EVER HEARD. If you think there's no research on how the core memory management of various operating systems differ, then you really are an idiot.

I will leave you with another 10 seconds of Google research I did about HOW TO PAUSE A LINUX PROCESS.

How-to Pause a Linux Process | Tombuntu

So go ahead and keep telling me pausing isn't possible. Even though I never once used the word "Pause" in my original posts.

I'm done feeding you, troll. If you want to battle with someone over your stupid assumptions and desire to yell over the internet, please, go find all the other threads related to this topic and fight with them. I relayed my personal experience, and linked to my research, and that's all I need to do on a public forum with a bunch of amateurs trying to help each other. If you think you're some Linux god, please, by all means, show me some research. Until then you're just a screaming 12 year old. Add something to the discussion, go yell somewhere else, or jump back on the 360 and leave the Droid forums for people who are trying to help each other, not act like complete dicks.

 

Wow chef your responses are the only posts here that I have found childish...
Telexen made a valid point against the claim that since this is linux based there is no need to worry about memory usage anymore and how task killers are completely uneccesary...

I personally have no programming knowledge of linux or any other OS system for that matter but I'm a very tech savvy person fluent with an array of OS's and most importanly using the method that actually gets results..

Using A task killer to clear up memory hogging apps that lag the phone down.

If you want some form of research to back this claim up I'll shoot a video of my phone before and after a task manager session... The difference is night and day, avilable memory goes from 15M to 70M and the lag clears up..... hmmm seems like pretty substantial proof that the OS is not managing the memory sufficiently enough to keep the phone running smoothly... I acknowledge that it may be due to buggy applications or bad coding in the app but like Telexen said "it's a very bad idea to just assume they all don't hurt you when running in the background." We need a manual way to clean up memory....

 

Call me childish all you want, I never called anyone ignorant, an idiot or a moron. Do what you want with your phone. I relayed my personal experience, with my phone, and it coincides with what a lot of other people say. I also pointed to a lot of very intelligent, well-thought out posts by other people who seem to know what they're talking about, so everyone could make their own decision. If you want to base what you do with your phone on what some 24 year old who likes to yell and call names says is right, that's your prerogative. I'm going to stick with research, what other intelligent-speaking people weigh in with, and my own personal experience.

remember when i said that? of course you don't. your reading comprehension seems to be in line with Telexen's.

http://androidforums.com/motorola-droid/18334-task-killer-apps-truth-2.html#post116900

http://www.droidforums.net/forum/dr...ot-worry-about-apps-running-background-3.html

did you even bother reading those posts? i doubt it. they're both a direct link to a single, very informative post (not the entire thread) so it shouldn't take you too long. i sure as hell believe that person knows what they're talking about more than some kid who comes in yelling about how everyone's an idiot and not actually backing it up with any kind of worthwhile information.

yes, i agree. i like control. which is why i said from the start, here's the THEORY behind linux/android OS, and here's MY EXPERIENCE IN PRACTICE (notice i still have ATM installed AND use it and mention that multiple times)

 

I use Startup Auditor to easily control what does and does not run at startup. I like how you can also tell it to prevent certain apps from starting what you have blocked, so it remains off.

 

/agreed. startup auditor is without a doubt the best pay app i have. i don't know how i lived without it!

 

Well let me clarify my position Chef, I read the entirety of all your post's and agreed with pretty much everything you had to say. The thing that made me look upon your post as childish is how you responded to him. Instead of simply overlooking his minor insults/comments that may or may not of been directed at you and avoiding a flame war you proceeded to add more fuel to the fire by breaking down each and every segment of his post with your own sarcastic comments and insults. It just seems childish to turn something so petty into a huge ordeal, especially when you both basically agree on the same things...

 

Understood, and while I would probably agree with you in most circumstances, I'm getting really tired of people on these forums jumping in with very little or no information to add, and calling names/being rude when we're all just trying to help each other. You'll notice there's another thread about the LED charging light where I did the same thing to defend someone that was being attacked.

Not that I should really care or get so worked up, I agree, but I really really hate people who try to start flame wars (and yes, I know in this case I fanned them a little to make a point, which is my bad). I was having a really bad day at work when I saw his post, so I wasn't in the mood to deal with being called an idiot, as I'm pretty sure it was directed at me But I see your point, next time I'll try ignoring it and letting it die.

Now back to our regularly scheduled programming!