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are qualcomms processors inferior?

Discussion in 'Android Lounge' started by Eaglesfan9106, Aug 24, 2011.

  1. Eaglesfan9106

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    I've watched multiple videos pitting the evo against the likes of the x2 the galaxy s2 the photon the g2x and so on and the evo usually comes out with lower benchmark scores I know benchmarks usually arent to accurate but they gotta be somewhat true or no 1 would use em it just seems to me they're always being outclassed eeapecially with battery life also. id like to hear your thoughts on this thanks.
     

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    You buy a computer today, it will be outdated in a week, even more in a month, and in 18 months there will be computers for half the cost that can run circles around the one you bought. The same thing happens with pretty much all technology.

    You have to decide if the computer (or phone) you have now is sufficient for your needs. If it is, then there's no need to get a new one. If it's not good enough anymore, then look into upgrading. There is such a thing as "good enough," and there will always be something called "better."
     
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    Yes, it's slower.
     
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    People doing benchmarks often take the position that among the chips it's as if a Maserati is being compared to el cheapo Fords when it's usually more like comparing an Audi, BWM, and Mercedes.

    The Qualcomm dual core has built-in features that the Tegra does not. The lastest Samsung Exynos seems to be the fastest overall. (Example - I overclock my Qualcomm dual core just slightly, and my cpu benchmarks match that of a stock SGS2 - but even so, the SGS2 will still produce a higher framerate under the grueling Nenamark 2 benchmark.)

    Nothing is immune from mass production and lemons happen - I've seen bad reviews of any model you can name, but visiting that device forum here you'll tend to find the users helping each other to overcome the various complaints, usually just by configuring the phone for common sense use. (Example, my 3D can go a few days on battery and that's common for us 3D owners, but not according to the reviewers.)

    If you have your heart set on what seems to be the fastest one today, get the SGS2 - but remember - in the not too distant future, the next class of processors will come out and it will cease to matter.

    Last year it was about comparing the Qualcomm 8x50 vs. the Samsung Hummingbird vs. the TI OMAP 3. Today, the dual cores are out and no one really discusses that anymore.

    Make sure you get the phone with the best balance of features that are right for you, including speed.

    And no joke - half of the published benchmarks really indicate nothing at all. The other half are worthwhile - to a point.

    But for horse racing results - not so much.

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    Hope this helps!
     
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    Lets put it this way.

    In terms of CPU cores,

    Cortex A9 > Scorpion > Cortex A8

    In terms of GPU

    MALI 400MP > Adreno 220 > Geforce ULP = PowerSGX 540 > Adreno 205 = PowerSGX 530 > Adreno 200

    The SoCs with their CPU/GPU

    Snapdragon 8250 (first gen) - Scorpion, Adreno 200

    Snapdragon 8255 (2nd gen) - Scorpion, Adreno 205

    OMAP3 - A8, PowerSGX 530

    Hummingbird - A8, PowerSGX 540

    Among single core chips, I would regard the Qualcomm Snapdragons to be faster in computation than the A8 chips. But the Hummingbird has the best GPU.

    Dual core

    Qualcomm 8660 - Scorpion 2x, Adreno 220

    Tegra 2 - A9 2x, Geforce ULP

    OMAP 4 - A9 2x, PowerSGX 540

    Exynos - A9 2x, MALI 400MP

    In terms of computational speeds, the A9 cored chips would eat the Qualcomm dual core alive. Remember, Qualcomm recycled the same Scorpion core from its single core SoCs, but the other chips are using a new core that is generationally a jump up.

    Lets put it another way. Even when running on a single core, the A9 cored chips would beat any of the Scorpion and A8 cored chips, on the same clock speed on CPU related benchmarks. When people say ah, this won't take advantage of dual core processing so what's the point of doing dual core? I say nonsense, at least with dual core A9s. They are still faster, and quite so, even on apps that don't take advantage of dual cores. The dual core Snapdragon is another story though, but then again, that's why its running on an extra 200MHz faster than the usual 1GHz Snapdragon.

    Running Sunspider, which is a browser mark, I can find that Exynos and Tegra2 to be well ahead of the Qualcomm 8660. I would expect the same result with the OMAP4.

    The Adreno 220 of the 8660 seems to be a better GPU than the ones on the Tegra2 and OMAP 4 but not the Exynos.

    It will be a different story when Qualcomm brings its Krait cores online. But then again, ARM takes another generational leap with the A15 cores.
     
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    So basically what Ur saying is my 3vo has the same processor as the 4G just two of em OC'd at 1.2 plus a upgraded adreno 220 GPU?
     
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    Yup.

    Personally I won't fret about it.
     
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    The only thing that really grinds my gears is that HTC by far has better quality products but is always slacking slightly in the processor area I mean I shoukdbt be complaining at all because I switched from the hero which is like comparing a Toyota corolla to a ferrari I mean im absolutely blown away at how much better all around this phone is but if the were to put the exynos processor in this bad boy this phone would be boss
     
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    Exynos may be powerful, but i have yet to see development that takes advantage of the Exynos SoC.

    Guess who is leading in the world of development.
     
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    As in applications/games optimized for qualcomm devices? Other than the xperia play stuff which is nothing to do with HTC I'm not sure what your point is.

    Only rooted users are able to take advantage atm, some of the Tegra 2 titles run better on the Galaxy S2, also better IQ in 3D games with the addition of 4x or 16x MSAA.

    We probably won't see much improvement until the iPhone 5 is released, we will then see apps/games optimized for Apples A5 get ported over to Android, it's a shame Android is still so far behind we depend on iPhone ports but that's the reality of the situation atm.

    Tegra 3 also might bring some decent games knowing nvidia but that won't be until next year.
     
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    Uh, no. Benchmarks just give people numbers to compare. That's why they use them. As you stated, they're not always accurate indicators of real world performance. They just indicate how well the devices benchmark against each other.

    Using that reasoning, task killers must be necessary or else no one would use them, right?
     
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    But these numbers represent the performance difference in said benchmark, not all benchmarks are accurate but if the majority of results from different benchmarks say Device A is faster than Device B then it's probably because device A is faster :p
     
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    Have you noticed a performance problem with your evo 3d? Because I haven't and I run the stock kernel. Plays games, runs apps, etc without a hitch. That's why I don't bother with benchmarks. If what I have performs what I need, it is adequate.

    If I ever do run into performance issues, I'm going to load an AOSP ROM. I'll ditch Sense before I overclock.
     
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    OK, the other thing I hate about whose processor is better threads is that they seem to always have a way of devolving into useless bickering at the first sign of a simple miscommunication.

    Please remember - just because you're sure you read something the way someone else wrote it - words have two meanings and maybe things read weren't written as thought.

    If anyone believes there's more useful discussions to be had here, drop me a line, my door's open.

    But until things are cooled down from what I just deleted -

    /thread
     
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