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Root [AT&T] Rooting, locked bootloaders, and Samsung Knox

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  1. rawhide85

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    It looks like rooting the N3 (AT&T, VZ) is going to be a real challenge due to locked bootloaders and voided warranties due in part to Samsung Knox for all carriers. I'm sure this comes as no surprise to most of us. Let's hope our friends over at XDA find an exploit. Here's a few links:

    Update: AT&T & Verizon N3 have been rooted! Just head over to XDA and be sure to thank designgears and chainfire for there great work.

    Links:
    AT&T (SM-N900A): http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2474422

    Verizon (SM-N900V): http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2481590

    How to Install CWM Recovery and Root Samsung Galaxy Note 3 [All Versions] [Guide] | TechBeasts#,

    Note 3 successfully rooted (unlocked bootloaders only) - Page 2 - xda-developers,

    [ROM] <N9005-XXUBMI7 [J.B 4.3]><Pre-Rooted Stock ROM's><Odex/DeOdex>< Odin/CWM> - xda-developers,


    Please remember, flashing comes with risks ! So be sure to read through all instructions and warnings from the dev's. Good luck
     

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  2. jetguat

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    Still coming up to speed on Know. Will/Can the ATT or VzW versions be rooted without voided warranty? It is just a customer rom or even custom recovery that will change the 0x1 counters?
     
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    Looks like there will be no rooting at this time with locked (AT&T, VZW) bootloaders. Also, one will trigger the Knox counter and risk voiding your warranty. Let's just pray for XDA devs to find an exploit.
     
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    Question. is it ATT and VzW that asking samsung to lock these phones down so tight? Is it samsung? To what end? So folks can't remove bloatware? Didnt VzW loose a lawsuit saynig they are not allow to have phone that cannot be rooted.
     
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    Knox security is interesting. Almost like the NFC thing by Google.

    Set to 0x1. Some type of hex that I don't know.

    I am sure there is an exploit coming soon.
     
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    Somehow I just don't think that it will be long before this is overcome.
     
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    I'm not sure, but my guess would be the carriers that have locked there bootloaders.
     
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    I sure hope your right. The best thing about my Infuse 4G is the ease at which you can flash roms. I will be following this thread very closely.
     
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    Well, now that the AT&T US N3 is released, has anyone found anything on a workaround? Please let us know when you do. Thanks
     
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    saw that. Hoping they get the VzW version also. I would think/hope that they are locked up in similar fashion. We can hope..
     
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    This I'm not sure about anymore, because if you checkout the International Galaxy S4 Root forum, it appears Samsung pushed out an update that locked the bootloader on carrier/sim free devices. That definitely goes against previous trends for Samsung devices.
     
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    Yes, it seems both carriers and manufactures are trying to limit the "unauthorized"use of there devices. But remember, when a lock comes out, there is always someone trying to exploit it....thankfully.
     
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    Yeah, I find the idea of a manufacturer telling you how to use something you physically own comical. It's my device, and I'll use it how I want. :mad:
     
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    I wouldn't use your adjective, I'd say "insidious", comical it isn't, but I do get your drift . :)
     
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    jhawkkw is spot on. It is Samsung, in partnership with Centrify, who are rolling out Knox Security and the locked bootloader that it requires, to all the latest Qualcomm devices, S4, S3, Note 2 and already installed on Note 3. Samsung are including this in the firmware prior to passing it on to carriers to add their bloatware, so there is no escaping it.

    Currently, any attempt to root or install a custom recovery will trigger the Knox counter, which appears at the top of the screen in download mode, to 0/1 from 0/0. This is a Knox void count. In the absence of any official statement from Samsung it is surmised that this will void your terms of warranty.

    Reasons for implementing Knox and further information can be found in the thread over on the S4 forum, Locked bootloader & Knox security on latest firmwares.
     
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    Ironass summarises it well. We can still root and flash but to do so would end any warranty and make it so we can never go back to stock. Flashing is always risky, but we all love with that. It's the way they have made it so we can never go back. I've raged about this publicly, and likened it to say "Dell" denying a laptop owner the right to install Linux and maybe go back to Windows to sell it on later. Would they get away with that? I don't think so.
     
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    The latest root exploits do NOT trip the Knox counter but BEWARE: that does not mean that installing a custom ROM won't trip it.

    I'm putting this thing completely through its paces right now, to make sure it doesn't need warranty work. If it's going to be broken, it's probably gonna break now.
     
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    Correct me if I'm mistake. but if you root, without tripping knox. and your continue to use the stock rom (why root? so you can stop bloat ware. etc). Why would your warranty be invalid?

    is it not possibly to just remove the root?
    I presume if you actually "removed" some bloatware, that if you flashed a stock rom, then that could trip knox and void warranty. Correct?
     
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    Chief- Thanks for the guinea pig. Let us know how things go.
     
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    Well, I owe you all an apology: I have not rooted yet. Planned to today but didn't have the time I expected to :(

    Well, maybe tomorrow :eek:
     
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    No hurry Sir, we're not going anywhere.
     
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    Hey Rawhide, can you please put an update in the OP since some of the new root exploits don't trip the Knox counter? Thanks :)


    EDIT: Thank you :)
     
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    I've been rooted for a couple of days now. No major issues that I can see. I am having an issue with the shutter sound on my camera, I've renamed some file types and I seem to get the shutter sound intermittently. Which is bothersome, but being able to back up all my user data with TiBu offsets any issues I'm liable to find.
     
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