Root [CDMA] Android Lollipop

[Slayer1822]

I know it's pretty early to be talking/asking about this but do you think Android 5.0 Lollipop will be as good as everyones makes it out to be. Also, do you think it'll be easy to find root, if so, how long do you think it'll take? I personally am excited for it. It looks beautiful, simple, and (from what I've seen) pretty buttery smooth

 

[mvaness]

Maybe you should start a poll... At this this point, with these type of questions, you are only going to get opinions, which leads to argument, and then your thread becomes a bickering mess.

 

[Slayer1822]

That's what I was going for (not the bickering/argument part) but I am looking for opinions. I'll just leave it how it is and if I have to I'll close it. But thanks for the suggestion. I understand how heated these types of discussions can get lol :thumbup:

 

[fireball0093]

Back before I broke my Nexus 4 I tried the rom that was ported to it of Lollipop, and it's by far my favorite release of Android. I didn't really want Cyanogenmod or a custom rom, just as long as it was rooted. Like, it's very phenomenal in my opinion

 

[Seraph08]

Root is always an issue, till its not an issue. Binaries on super user just upgraded also recently, people should have gotten them.

If you havent

 

[joe5150]

Root is an odd thing for sure. Considering the fact that Android is open source. I mean what good is open source to them if people aren't tweaking it, building it, installing the modified source, running and testing it. I mean its free R&D. That's where a lot of ideas come from that they ultimately snatch up for their next release, right? So why make root hard to obtain? Seems counter productive to me.

But yeah totally looking forward to 5.0 and even more than stock Lollipop I want CM12 and all the subsequent offshoots. Good things are coming our way.

 

[Seraph08]

Root is an odd thing for sure. Considering the fact that Android is open source. I mean what good is open source to them if people aren't tweaking it, building it, installing the modified source, running and testing it. I mean its free R&D. That's where a lot of ideas come from that they ultimately snatch up for their next release, right? So why make root hard to obtain? Seems counter productive to me.

But yeah totally looking forward to 5.0 and even more than stock Lollipop I want CM12 and all the subsequent offshoots. Good things are coming our way.

goes like this

"In the new Android we're probably going to loose root"

*so head's up devs your gonna need new rootkits*

 

[joe5150]

goes like this

"In the new Android we're probably going to loose root"

*so head's up devs your gonna need new rootkits*

That's exactly my point. Why give a "heads up" like that at all. By saying that they are essentially, albeit indirectly, giving a clue that new methods of root will be required. Why not just provide a root method instead of creating a game out of it.

I understand that providing all users with root would be problematic. People with no intention of modding may accidentally screw up their phones. So I get that. But why not make a standard multi step process that people, with the knowledge to do so, could use to provide reasonably easy to obtain root access. Its as if they want to make a game out of it. Seems childish.

 

[fireball0093]

That's exactly my point. Why give a "heads up" like that at all. By saying that they are essentially, albeit indirectly, giving a clue that new methods of root will be required. Why not just provide a root method instead of creating a game out of it.

I understand that providing all users with root would be problematic. People with no intention of modding may accidentally screw up their phones. So I get that. But why not make a standard multi step process that people, with the knowledge to do so, could use to provide reasonably easy to obtain root access. Its as if they want to make a game out of it. Seems childish.

I highly second that. It would be nice to have that, I mean if you think about it Google Play devices are kind of like that, but bootloader wise, only one challenge not needed to be tackled. But yeah, it would be nice for them to provide one.

 

[Seraph08]

Roundtable: CyanogenMod 12 roadmap leaked | GadgtSpot

 

[InuYashaAD1]

Lollipop will likely take a bit to root but possibly not too long. Root can be a Pandora's box in the wrong hands. So naturally, there has to be a trepidation to get it.

 

[Seraph08]

Told you

 

[Slayer1822]

Told you

Hell yeah!

 

[Seraph08]

cm12 branch is live.

 

[Seraph08]

Mean to even post cause it won't build for anything yet. But there's hope... There's hope.

 

[starkraving]

I'd say its inevitable

 

[starkraving]

cm12 branch is live.

Was reading CM12 will likely have the first M build of Lollipop on or around December. Personally I'll be waiting for AOSPA

 

[Seraph08]

Was reading CM12 will likely have the first M build of Lollipop on or around December. Personally I'll be waiting for AOSPA

well yeah. AOSPA 5.0 is heavy in the works.

 

[starkraving]

well yeah. AOSPA 5.0 is heavy in the works.

Yeah I've read as much. For me its just a great compromise between CM and Slim...always performed well on my Nexus and various other devices I've had.

 

[Seraph08]

For me, it's the reason I ever started building.

 

[cvic]

Its pretty simple why Google doesn't provide a root tool. They get searches for 'how to root' tons of times a day I'm guessing. My guess is (looking at how Google operates) they probably get a huge kick out of the hardware makers' efforts to keep us from changing system files. And by kick, I do mean kick-back. Its an indirect monetary source created by our love for hacking. It almost sounds illegal or unfair, but whatever. Got to remember dev's get donations quite often as well. So if it hurts no one, then why the fuss?

 

[starkraving]

Its pretty simple why Google doesn't provide a root tool. They get searches for 'how to root' tons of times a day I'm guessing. My guess is (looking at how Google operates) they probably get a huge kick out of the hardware makers' efforts to keep us from changing system files. And by kick, I do mean kick-back. Its an indirect monetary source created by our love for hacking. It almost sounds illegal or unfair, but whatever. Got to remember dev's get donations quite often as well. So if it hurts no one, then why the fuss?

I think the manufacturers biggest gripe with root is the amount of fraudulent warranty replacements they shell out every year from people who soft/hard brick or otherwise bork their phone.

 

[Rxpert83]

I think the manufacturers biggest gripe with root is the amount of fraudulent warranty replacements they shell out every year from people who soft/hard brick or otherwise bork their phone.

This.

Google itself has no issues with root. In fact, google essentially gives nexus users a root method - fastboot OEM unlock. Google also doesn't void warranties for being rooted.

New security features in lollipop meant root has to be at the kernel level (right now at least), but that wasn't google attempting to block it.

Its the manufacturers who don't like it, because people try to get devices replaced when it was user error, and carriers hate it for the same reason + tethering.

 

[starkraving]

This.

Google itself has no issues with root. In fact, google essentially gives nexus users a root method - fastboot OEM unlock. Google also doesn't void warranties for being rooted.

New security features in lollipop meant root has to be at the kernel level (right now at least), but that wasn't google attempting to block it.

Its the manufacturers who don't like it, because people try to get devices replaced when it was user error, and carriers hate it for the same reason + tethering.

Agreed and some providers, sprint for example won't void warranty due to root. I do however have a gripe about the tethering... Its a native capability of the Android OS and I'd think it'd be protected under GNL or Apache licensing... Why should a carrier care how we use our data as long as we pay our bill?

 

[Rxpert83]

Agreed and some providers, sprint for example won't void warranty due to root. I do however have a gripe about the tethering... Its a native capability of the Android OS and I'd think it'd be protected under GNL or Apache licensing... Why should a carrier care how we use our data as long as we pay our bill?

From the FCC's standpoint - if you pay for let's say 5GB of data, you can use it however you wish. That's why Verizon had to start allowing tethering for its not unlimited plans.

If its unlimited data, the carriers can charge extra for the ability to share it with multiple devices.