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Root [CDMA] What Can I do with an unlocked Bootloader-HTC announces web based Bootloader unlock tool.

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  1. firechicken

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    We have a root section here in the forums that will answer all your questions
    EVO 3D - All Things Root - Android Forums

    But yes, having the bootloader unlocked allows you to get root access which then allows you to do anything with your phone as far as software goes. Roms, kernels, removing bloat root only apps.......etc

    EDIT: Also, if you didn't already know, the 3vo has already been rooted so no more need to wait for htc.
     
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    Figures...

    Edit: Once you're S-OFF (bootloader unlocked), you can flash custom recoveries and custom ROMs that give you root access. S-OFF is not root, directly.
     
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    Well lets face it, that was pretty much expected.
     
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    So unlocked bootloader is not like a stock rooted E3D?

    Edit: It would be nice to be rooted and be able to to accept OTA updates.
     
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    I am not rooted and I removed the NASCAR app!
     
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    Well, this is better than some of the kooky conspiracy theories I read on XDA where they were thinking HTC was trying to make eMMC burn out some unused clusters or something :p
     
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    Remember you used the term rooted which means some how some way you got to have an unlocked bootloader. So essentially your phone is fully stock with the exception of it being rooted. For example, my 3vo is fully stock but my bootloader is unlocked and I am fully rooted. Even though you are rooted you don't have run custom roms or kernels if you don't want too.

    This next part deserves its very own paragraph, this is very important:

    Typically once rooted you never, ever, ever, ever want to accept any OTA's. Usually once root access has been gained OTA's can often close those loop holes and you won't be rooted anymore and then someone will have to find another way to get it rooted which could take hours, days, weeks, months or never so basically its not worth the risk. But usually once an OTA has been released the rooted version is usually available within the same day or next day for you to flash safely.

    Some apps you can remove without being rooted but not all of them, if you are rooted you can remove everything.

    LOL, its funny to see people take an inch then turn it into a yard. Some of those posts were pretty funny.
     
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    Well what I was trying to get at was, that since HTC is officially releasing a Bootloader unlocking tool, would it be possible, since it is official, to be able to accept OTA updates with out breaking root?
     
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    yes, most likely you will be able to get OTA updates. Remember, this is an OFFICIAL bootloader unlock, so HTC will make sure that updates will still work. But that might be contingent upon staying with the stock HBOOT, recovery, and ROM.

    There are still a lot of unknowns here. And these kinds of considerations are why it took HTC to take so long to create this unlock tool.
     
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    I would have thought no, since he's asking if he can take OTAs with ROOT, not having it change the bootloader.

    Logically to me, since Bootloader != Root, I would assume that HTC wouldn't care if you lost root or not, since they only promised the bootloader to be unlocked.
     
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    yep, an OTA could likely blow away root completely. But to me, that's a successful OTA. What's not successful is when the OTA terminates half way because it got confused about what was on your phone. That's usually not a good place to be.

    But remember, once you're rooted, you don't NEED to accept OTAs because you can flash the rooted form of the OTA. This is the part everyone needs to understand. Once you're rooted, don't think about OTAs. The rooted form will be available for flashing within hours.
     
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    Taking OTAs just would add unnecessary steps if you want to go back to being rooted. Because you're just going to end up flashing the modified OTA file that will get distributed, anyways. Plus it's a big hassle to break root to get OTAs, then possibly have to S-OFF again and then reflash the file that got distributed.

    Plus you can watch all the non-rooted people accept OTAs and see what problems they have. Maybe the OTA inserts problem XYZ? You get a nice little buffer :p
     
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    Ok, so we're essentially agreeing in a roundabout way. I just didn't understand from your prior post, thinking you were saying that you'd be able to take OTAs without worrying about losing Root.

    So in other words, so we're clear, I'm assuming that taking an OTA once rooted, even if you do so with HTC's bootloader unlock method, will likely result in losing root (based on current knowledge).
     
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    My current knowledge of how future OTA updates will work is non-existent :)

    I'm basically thinking like an HTC engineer: if I have a ton of devices out there with potentially unknown configurations, how can I guarantee that my update script will succeed? I see two likely scenarios:

    1) blow away everything and start from scratch
    2) require a stock kernel and system before the update will work

    The main problem with option 1 is that it means you have to kill the user's data, especially if the user is using an AOSP ROM. Replacing /system but not /data would cause some serious corruption in that scenario. Current OTAs are fairly seamless, meaning the update happens around the user's apps, data, and settings. I'd imagine this will remain a priority.

    Option 2 seems more reasonable. The OTA update would check to see if the phone's contents are fit for upgrade. If not, it refuses to install. Which means that if the user really wants the OTA, s/he will have to bring the system back to stock. I would think a rooted stock ROM would suffice, although it would likely have to be odexed. su may or may not be preserved, but if it's enough to coax the OTA to install, the user could add su back.

    But my main point is that whatever HTC decides to do with OTA updates, it should be irrelevant to users who are fully rooted, either by official or unofficial S-OFF. Rooted users should get into the mindset of flashing their updates, not accepting them over-the-air.
     
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    Does anyone have any suggestions on confirming bootloader was successfully unlocked? I got the expected results but I've tried downloading Superuser and can't seem to get it to recognize that it's there. Do I have to use adb to push this to the /system/app folder? Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks!
     
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    you can always download su from the market. how are you installing it? also you could just flash a custom rom. all custom roms will have su cooked in.
     
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