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Discussion in 'Politics and Current Affairs' started by OutofDate1980, Sep 11, 2011.

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    In 1972, Cronkite Warned of ‘New Ice Age’

    "Global warming activists have claimed for years that the 1970s global cooling scare never existed. They have tried to erase the inconvenient history which ironically blamed extreme weather like tornadoes, droughts, record cold and blizzards on global cooling,”
     

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    Patrick Moore is also someone who says Weedkiller is safe to drink..... but see if he has the courage of his convictions...




    http://time.com/3761053/monsanto-weed-killer-drink-patrick-moore/
     
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    Top scientists start to examine fiddled global warming figures

    But only when the full picture is in will it be possible to see just how far the scare over global warming has been driven by manipulation of figures accepted as reliable by the politicians who shape our energy policy, and much else besides. If the panel’s findings eventually confirm what we have seen so far, this really will be the “smoking gun”, in a scandal the scale and significance of which for all of us can scarcely be exaggerated.
     
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    The 'Top Scientists' in the story above are hand picked by The Global Warming Policy Foundation.

    Which is a London based Think Tank' headed by the following people (according to its own website (http://www.thegwpf.org/who-we-are/board-of-trustees/)
    The Global Warming Policy Forum Team

    Board Members

    Lord Lawson (Chairman)
    Edward Atkin CBE
    Neil Record

    Director
    Dr Benny Peiser

    Science Editor
    Dr David Whitehouse

    Senior Researcher
    Daniel Mahoney

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    The Chairman of the board Lord Lawson (aka Nigel Lawson, aka Nigela Lawson's Dad) has been know for a very sceptical position on climate change,

    http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2011/oct/21/lord-lawson-global-warming-errors?intcmp=239



    Anyone interested about who funds the thinktank, may be interested in this piece from 2014
    http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2014/sep/02/nigel-lawson-climate-sceptic-organisation-funders


    One of their 'member of the scientific advisory council' is

    Adrian Berry
    From 1977 until 1996 Adrian Berry was science correspondent of the Daily Telegraph. On stepping down from that position after almost 20 years he was appointed the paper’s consulting editor (science).



    And which newspaper is it that's leading the coverage? The Daily Telegraph.... hmm :rolleyes:
     
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    Things change, that's how it works. Things changed before humans ever existed. Things will change as long as humans do exist. And I'll let you in on a little secret. Things will continue change, long after humans no longer exist.
     
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    True. But large scale industrial activity can produce changes which wouldn't otherwise happen.

    The problem is very simple: the laws of physics don't give a damn about your economic or political preferences. You may think that human societies should work a particular way, but if you ignore either the finiteness of physical resources or the finite ability of the environment you absorb your activities your theories, or the eloquence of your arguments, are of no relevance at all. Hence, as with tobacco and cancer, a lot of commercial interest is devoted to funding campaigns to obfuscate the data, and media who feel that "both sides must get a hearing" give the impression that there is actually a debate, whereas amongst actual scientists, rather than shills funded through fronts for vested interests, there is no debate at all. And I am not exaggerating: this is no more a matter of scientific debate than that smoking causes cancer. If anyone tells you otherwise, they are either ignorant or a liar.

    The result: same as tobacco - delay in action, and a vast number of deaths but preserving profits for a few. Except that smoking only affects those who do it or those who spend time with others who do it, whereas climate change affects everybody but disproportionately affects those least responsible.

    Sorry, I normally stay away from this place because it's somewhat against the normal spirit of AF, and as a former staff member I'm inclined to maintain a degree of neutrality. But I am a professional physicist, someone who understands science and understands this science, and who knows personally people who specialise in climate science, and I can assure you that the deniers/sceptics have no credibility amongst scientists, and the fact that the media present this as any type of controversy at all is entirely due to distortion of the facts by vested commercial interests and the sort of lunatics who will ignore facts and evidence if they are inconvenient for their political preferences.

    I'm not joking: this stuff is serious, and if you want to pretend otherwise you are no different from a smoker who decides it's just fine to make their family breath their smoke. And the people who are telling you otherwise are exactly the same people who spent decades telling you that smoking doesn't affect health (literally: they use the same PR companies in many cases).

    As I say, sorry: it's election night here in the UK, so I'm a bit more worked-up about these things than I usually am (and slightly drunk, as is not unusual on election night). But I have kids, and a conscience, and so cannot let this stuff pass unchallenged. So just this one time I'm going to pop up here and say that if you regard the future of the human race (and other species) as more important than some ideology you need to start taking this seriously, because ignoring it will have exactly the same consequence as stepping off a roof and ignoring gravity - it takes longer for the effects to become unmissable, but they will be equally unavoidable.

    Seriously, this is not some debate about political philosophies. Politics and economics are choices you can make, but the universe does not care. The "laws" of economics are things you can choose (as a society, not an individual) not to obey. Even the most fundamental, such as "supply and demand", are not immutable - you don't have to charge more for a scarce commodity, it's just more profitable to do so, and the "law" assumes you will therefore do so. The laws of physics are different: they cannot be avoided or abated at all, no matter how eloquent your arguments, how fervent your beliefs, or how much effort you expend to impose your views.

    The real chutzpah is from the people who claim that climate science is a politically-motivated conspiracy. Believe me, nobody wants to believe that the technologies which provide a simple route to a more comfortable lifestyle are a threat to us all, and that includes the scientists who study this. I know no climate scientist who would not be happy to be proven wrong, but like any sane person they cannot ignore reality. The only vested interest here is in denial.
     
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    http://m.spokesman.com/stories/2015/may/07/carbon-dioxide-levels-in-atmosphere-reach-2/

     
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    Omg politics...and fukushima's still leaking and we hear nothing about it...I just came here to take a look...
     
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    California is going through a major drought

    Texas has had mild summers the last couple of years.. fewer days above 100degrees.. NONE this summer yet.
    and this year .. major rains and floods. most lakes are at full or above water levels.
     
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    No, We Aren’t Heading Into a "Mini Ice Age"
    http://io9.com/no-we-aren-t-heading-into-a-mini-ice-age-1717779657


    Jim Wild is Professor of Space Physics at Lancaster University.

    This article was originally published on The Conversation. Read the original article.
     
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    Gosh, if even Google believes it...

    Google thinks Los Angeles is underwater

    A glitch, or climate change commentary?

    Twitter users here and there who have picked up on the weirdness think Google could be making a statement on climate change, indicating sea level changes and the swallowing of the California coast.​
     
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    Update, September 12th, 2:15PM ET:
    A Google spokesperson says the incorrect map display was due to an error from one of the service's many mapping partners. It has since been fixed.
     
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    Now it might get ugly...

    Scientists Ask Obama To Prosecute Global Warming Skeptics

    The science on global warming is settled, so settled that 20 climate scientists are asking President Barack Obama to prosecute people who disagree with them on the science behind man-made global warming.

    Scientists from several universities and research centers even asked Obama to use the Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act (RICO) to prosecute groups that “have knowingly deceived the American people about the risks of climate change, as a means to forestall America’s response to climate change.”​
     
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    I for one.. believe that there is a growing trend towards warming.. and there is a lot of evidence that man is one of the leading cause.

    we need to be actively careful of it...

    and there are those that also know it.. and because of greed / power / money...
    they are trying their best to confuse the general public to stay blind to it.
    for their own self gains.

    like smoking... the gov needs to step in.. and inform the public!!!!
    and punish/fine/imprison those that are blocking public health.
     
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    That's all I need to hear, thanks.
     
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    Majority of people don't believe it's a government conspiracy or a naturaly occurring event...
     
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    there is a group.. that believe that the moon landings are all faked....
    ... aliens are living on earth
    ... elvis is alive and well and dating Marilyn
    ... oil will last for ever
    ... tin foil hats help protect you
     
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    What are the other choices?
     
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    ^^^ android forum conspiracies!
     
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