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Did verizon just say no to nexus one?

Discussion in 'Android Devices' started by Re4son, Dec 13, 2009.

  1. vincentp

    vincentp Android Expert

    While it may have been possible to install 2.0 on rooted phones before the Droid was released, remember that a very, very small percentage of users actually root their phones. There may be a lot on the forums, but that's just a tiny cross section and a relatively specific demographic of users. Realistically speaking, the Droid was still the first Android 2.0 device.

    As a Verizon customer, it has been frustrating in the past to see all of the other networks get nice new phones. It doesn't have anything to do with CDMA vs GSM, either, because Sprint (CDMA) had Android before Verizon, and they even had the exclusive WebOS. If Sprint/AT&T/T-Mobile had a U.S. network as good as Verizon's, you can bet I would have jumped ship. It almost seems like Verizon had the wrong battle plan. There had to have been offers to release certain devices on their network. They may have turned a lot of these down. Verizon has consistently made way too big of a deal over their sub-par dumbphones. If you watched their advertising, they have never really been in business to appease tech-savvy users. The Droid is their first attempt at this demographic. WinMo? No thanks. I'm a "fanboy" for one reason, the network is the best, and when I'm using a phone, that is still priority number one, because most of a phone's features rely on a good network. I have had phone envy in the past, but was unwilling to switch to what I know is inferior service for a neat device.

    We're still talking about devices released in the U.S. as well. Not everybody is going to ever go overseas, and those who know they will can purchase a phone that is intended to work well in that respect. The amount of money the U.S. carriers siphon out of their customers means that it's still a huge market, and worth talking about in its own right. So when Verizon treats Android like something new - it is something new. It's new (and a huge breath of fresh air) to a lot of customers who have stuck with them through all of their crappy phone releases simply because they have the best service. We may never have been exposed to Android devices before because we didn't want to go to Sprint, or worse, T-Mobile.

    On a final note, I have to say that I have never had bad customer service from Verizon and have never been "nickel and dimed", not anymore than any other carrier. My bills are always consistent with what I expect them to be based on my plan and usage. Honestly, the only carrier I would ever consider jumping ship for in my area (or U.S. in general) is Sprint, but I know other people who use Sprint, and it's just not there. AT&T is a joke. I hear nothing but horror stories. Their service (both customer and cellular) is inconsistent and poor. T-Mobile is, well, T-Mobile. The only thing I can say about them is that I've never had more trouble reaching a friend than when calling those who use T-Mobile. So, while Verizon may have some negatives, all of the carriers do, and I'm going to stick with what is (IMO) the best one, for a variety of reasons.

    I don't love the corporation. It's a corporation just like any other, and they don't give two shits about me. As long as they offer me the best of what I need though, I'll give them my business and my support. It's nice to see them finally expanding their lineup.

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  2. Mykpfsu

    Mykpfsu Android Expert

    How many world Wide GSM carriers are there? Tmobile aint worldwide. Vodafone would be closer to world wide and which US carrier do they own part of? Not to mention Vodafone is hands down the larger carrier compared to Tmobile. Though I love how first its all about the US, you lose the argument and then its the world. I mean you're not dumb enough to think there are only 2 CDMA carriers world wide are you? You do realise there are CDMA carriers in China, Korea, India, etc...well maybe not, its not like Tmobile operates in those countries. Which means the Nexus wont either.
    Also traveling with Verizon? Its called world phones, you may want to look into it. Phones like the: Saga, Ozone, Touch Pro 2, Tour, and both Storms. Gee I would only have 6 phones to choose from which would give me great coverage all over the world INCLUDING the US. But wait, I have a Storm 1, so that means I can get on a random international flight and still have a better chance at better coverage with my Verizon phone then any Tmobile phone.
    Sure the Storm one didnt live up to the hype, but it wont be as big of a let down as the Nexus. Then again how many carriers have touch screen blackberries? That was a new tech that Verizon adopted. Sure, sure you really meant Android and not Droid because everyone confuses the two. But Verizon didnt sell the Droid as a brand new thing, rather that it was beefier and better then the Iphone. Also people can root a Droid and get 2.1 on it. So who cares what Tmobile does with a 2.1 device?
    The only one acting high and mighty is you. You asked why so many people clamor for a new device to come out on Verizon over Tmobile. I answered they have the best coverage in the US compared to Tmobile which is a fact. I listed how Tmobile doesnt have 3g service in my area and Verizon's customer support is ranked better both are facts (search tmobile coverage for Tallahassee, fl). What was the first line of your responce? "So VZW should get EVERY new phone?" and saying somehow my response "belittle" tmobile subscribers despite the fact I never mentioned them. You;re the one acting high and mighty in how dare I question tmobile's ability.
     
  3. Nashdroid

    Nashdroid Android Expert

    Dang! Nicely done. Sorry alamoe, but that's what it feels like to get owned. We got some smart guys in here. +1 Mykpfsu!
     
  4. booser4

    booser4 Well-Known Member

    lmao
     
  5. alamoe

    alamoe Android Enthusiast

    Hey LG Dare dude :) LOL. I still haven't seen anyone tell me what i "made up." Vodaphone? Heard of Deutsche-Telekom? the fact still remains the bb storm was a flop. none of the other phones is worth 2 quarters. All of the VZW customers were just saying how there smartphone lineup sucked just a month and a half ago. All of a sudden they've become a different company based on one or 2 phones? LMAO!The fact is there are more GSM users worldwide than CDMA and Google is an international-thinking corporation. There's nothing anyone said that i don't already know. Verizon has "the network," alright, i get it. But their history has shown that they will be last in getting the newest, freshest devices. Hell, i've been hearing rumors that the whole "partnership" is rocky because Verizon is such a control freak. Y'all better snatch up any CDMA Androids that come your way. So no one should be surprised if VZW doesn't get a SnapDragon Android phone before anyone else. That was my whole point of posting; Android was on T-Mobile first and that means something. Do you think the Verizon Android situation would even EXIST without TMO taking a chance with Android? Remember, VZW passed on the phone that virtually everyone claims is the de-facto best smartphone (see: iPhone). History can, and often does, repeat itself. OK, bye...;)
     
  6. Nashdroid

    Nashdroid Android Expert

    The fact is that you're inciting violence in here, and someone had to put you in your place. And making fun of my LG Dare? How DARE you! I love this phone and it will last me until something better gets here. Until then, sorry, but you got owned. Just sayin'...

    Edit: By the way, your beef isn't with me. I was just the one who STATED that you got owned, everyone else knew it of course, but I was just the one to post it. So...don't feel you have to defend yourself against me. You should be upset with yourself, if anything. haha I honestly don't really care. I just don't like it when people get in these forums and start ranting and being a little jerk to people who post opinions and who aren't trying to cause any problems at all. I think everyone should be courteous. However, when you start trying to prove someone wrong and they completely destroy you, well...I think that's kinda funny and I think you deserve exactly what you got. And what you got was owned, by the way. ;)
     
  7. alamoe

    alamoe Android Enthusiast

    If what you said in your second sentence is true then the Google-Verizon "partnership" wont last long; Google is moving toward an international model of handset operations and Verizon is definitely not. The word "unlocked" is like kryptonite to VZW! The future is happening; unlocked GSM is the best business model for any handset manufacturer. You can't dispute that. I've seen reports that say the Vodaphone-Verizon relationship is even shaky. Everyone knows someone who is in a relationship because of financial reasons but they really are more compatible and want to be with someone else. Same deal here. I agree that VZW will probably get a version of this phone but only AFTER the GSM carriers. Now, if this not the case, I have no problem saying I was wrong. Honestly, i wish every carrier gets the best device available and manufacturers keep making better phones, setting the bar higher and higher because that means WHATEVER carrier i pick will get a really good kit. OK, bye....:)
     
  8. Nashdroid

    Nashdroid Android Expert

    I agree that GSM is the best network to build a phone on, if you're wanting more numbers of devices sold. CDMA, while not the global standard, is a superior technology and is MUCH more reliable. I'm not putting down GSM and I'm not a CDMA fanboy. I've had both and have, in the past, switched back and forth a few times. In my personal experiences CDMA networks are unparalleled in both voice call quality and data connections.

    I see the point you're trying to make. Verizon may get whatever phones after other carriers, or this year could be way different. Who knows? I can understand your argument though.

    All I'm really saying is that you just gotta be careful how you word things in these forums, because if it comes across as harsh or that you're trying to prove someone wrong, it will be taken in the worst way possible. There's no reason we all can't get along and have a reasonably calm, intelligent and mature exchange in here. I think that's something we can all agree on.
     
  9. chaoscentral

    chaoscentral Well-Known Member

    Oh, I'm sorry. Didn't know that Deutsche Telekom(T-Mobile's Parent Company) wasn't a worldwide company... Last I checked they operated in US, Canada, Europe, Russia, India, South Africa, Brazil to name a few.... Yup, that doesn't seem worldwide to me....

    They do have T-Mobile on the other side of the pond you know...

    Deutsche Telekom - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


    Also on your seemingly small minded comment on how going with GSM was a stupid idea. You do realize the US is pretty much the only country to have any major wireless companies using CDMA. GSM is a worldwide standard end of story.
     
  10. march7th

    march7th Newbie

    With CDMA at this time you can not connect to data and voice at same time unless you are on wifi. Can only be done with GSM as long as you have a 3G connection
     
  11. Mykpfsu

    Mykpfsu Android Expert

    Yeah ONLY the US uses CDMA. Well a couple of small countries do as well, maybe you've heard of them: India (Reliance Communications with more subscribers then Tmobile Worldwide 157 vs 150), China (China Telecom 100 mil CDMA or near the total number of Tmo worldwide). Truly insignificant countries. I mean their combined populations are over 2 billion people. I mean you do know they use cell phones outside of the US and Europe right?
    Now its "Well Deutsche Telecom operates here and here". First off I said Tmobile. Now you want ot try to make a difference and fail in doing so. DT does not operate wireless mobile in South Africa. They operate business communications (its the same anywhere outside of Europe). So how are you going to use your Tmobile phone there without any tmobile towers? But your verizon phone will be able to use Neotal with EDVO Rev0 (or with whatever GSM SIM card you slip in it).
    DT doesn't operate a thing in India and doesn't operate mobile systems outside of Europe.
    Deutsche Telekom: Worldwide
    You also lie in what my argument was. It wasn't going GSM was a dumb idea. It was going GSM only for a supposedly revolutionary phone that is going to be supposedly released to consumers which would then be released in the US first. If you have something revolutionary you want to get it to the most people in the quickest way. Notice how Apple went first to the largest wireless network for the Iphone, then to the second largest. Yet Google is going to the least amount of people they could have picked and may very well not be in the quickest way as nothing concrete has come forth on subsidizing. Thats dumb and thats not small minded, thats business minded. Not to mention the phone will get beat by the HTC bravo in Europe. The Bravo will offer more customization and will have multitouch functions out of the box. The only thing exciting about the Nexus One (well outside of Tmo customers upgrading from Mytouch) is maybe Android 2.1 (even then some new features are copied from HTC), which will also be found on the Droid Eris, Sprint Hero and Moment and probably the Moto Droid in a few months anyways. Yep, this phone is about as earth shattering as a cow's fart.
     
  12. kafkef

    kafkef Well-Known Member

  13. kyler13

    kyler13 Android Expert

    First, I find it funny that people complain about Verizon being the most expensive carrier when, at the very least, they're pouring a good deal of the revenue back into their current network AND the buildout of their 4G network. AT&T isn't really any cheaper and they're leaps and bounds behind Verizon on 3G coverage, infrastructure investment, and 4G deployment. The others? Well, it scales with size and T-Mobile and Sprint do what they can to focus on their metro areas.

    Secondly, I find this funny as well...

    "Verizon operates 100 vehicles in which technicians literally drive on roads throughout the country testing the service of their own devices as well as devices of their rivals. That's up from 10 vehicles a decade ago. If techies find an area that has weak service, the company can target more investment to improve the quality of the phone call or the data download."

    Why? Because Verizon is actively improving their network on their own. AT&T? There's an app for that. Yeah, that's right. Iphone users can report network quality issues right over their phone. So AT&T is getting hundreds of thousands of feedback reports from *ahem* paying customers with no incentive. Priceless (literally). At least Verizon doesn't expect me to do work for them on top of what I'm already paying.
     
  14. rdalcanto

    rdalcanto Android Enthusiast

    I've had AT&T for two years. I've complained many times about their terrible network and dropped calls. After two years, it still sucks and I live in a major city where I get lots of bars. I'm kicking them to the curb the day my contract is up (Jan 9th)! I really hope Verizon gets a Nexus equivalent soon.
     
  15. chaoscentral

    chaoscentral Well-Known Member

    Guess who get's to eat their own words?? YOU!!!

    Exclusive: Nexus One full specs detailed, invite-only retail sales starting January 5th? -- Engadget

     

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