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Discussion in 'Android Lounge' started by Androioi, Aug 6, 2019.

  1. Androioi

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    Hi all

    I am looking to invest into purchasing a few apps from Flipper and interested in a slots game and a win dollars games.

    I want to know if Google allows real money payouts as the win dollars game is a simple spin the wheel to win credits, once a specific number of credits has been won the user can exchange credits for dollars, minimum $100 to their PayPal. Is this allowed?
    As I have two developers saying contradictory things, one says yes and the other says no, that app will be banned. Who is right?

    These apps are not cheap so want to make sure before committing to buy.

    Also, with regards to the slots game, revenue is created via admob. As this is run by Google should all the ads be allowable ads?
    I just read about some ads that are prohibited when relating to casino content, and as slots is a casino game I assume a lot of the ads generated are going to be casino related.

    I am not an app developer, just an app investor. Any help appreciated.

    Thanks
     


  2. codesplice

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  3. Androioi

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    Thanks codesplice,

    I'm in the UK so it looks doable with the right licence. But I don't think it constitutes as gambling as such, as users don't risk any money. Revenue is created through ads, and money is only paid out (once enough tokens have been won), no money is received from a user.

    The app is available from Google play now, called "Earn Dollars On Spin".

    Reading though Google plays terms I think it's closest monetization example in there would be peer to peer payments, as it would be e.g. payment from my PayPal to users PayPal.
    It's a tricky one. I see other apps on the app store that offer real money payouts so I'm not sure.
     
  4. MoodyBlues

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    This is very interesting. It specifically mentions online casinos. My live-in helper plays a slots game that awards very real prizes, such as free stays at upscale Las Vegas hotels--like the Bellagio. :eek:

    I wonder how they get away with it.
     
  5. mikedt

    mikedt 你好

    Is that an app that came from Google Play or somewhere else, or is it a website game that's played in the browser?
     
  6. Androioi

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    Do user pay real money to participate? I'm guessing that maybe that's the different between game/gambling, if a user pays to play it is gambling because they are risking there own money, but if they can participate for free but still win prizes/real money then it falls into the category of a game.

    Don't quote me on that, I'm just guessing. Would love to find out the specifics for sure.
     
  7. MoodyBlues

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    Definitely an app from Play.
     
  8. MoodyBlues

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    I installed it, but didn't register (or 'connect with facebook' since I don't do fb :rolleyes:). As Guest, I could play for free, but it has in-app purchases--ranging up to $100! I didn't go on long enough to see what happens next if you're not buying anything.
     
  9. mikedt

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    I know UK betting and gambling companies like Ladbrokes and Betfred don't have any of their apps on Google Play, even though online betting and gambling is legal in the UK.
     
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  10. codesplice

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    May want to also check out the AdMob terms:
    https://support.google.com/admob/answer/7313578

    Rewarded ads must not be placed in apps that offer, as a reward or otherwise, monetary compensation or offers that can be converted into monetary compensation (including gift cards, discounts for physical goods or services, and cryptocurrencies).

     
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  11. Androioi

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    This is interesting, thanks for the share.

    As the OP'er, I just checked the app in question and found they are using Unity Ads. Unfortunately their terms of service isn't layed out nice n clearly like Admob, and it's 5:15am here... too much for my brain to pick through right now lol. But possibly a way round the real money payouts issue?
     
  12. Androioi

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    Quickly looking on the app store and I see loads of apps that let you win money, always dollars for some reason, for playing games and that get their revenue from ads.
    A lot are aimed at students.
     
  13. codesplice

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    Yeah, I'm seeing a lot of them too so clearly it is possible to publish such apps. I'd just be especially careful to review any and all relevant policies to make sure it doesn't get surprise blacklisted in the future.

    (And, if I'm entirely blunt, there are already plenty of scammy "look at my ads so I can get revenue and maybe I'll share some of it with random users" apps. I guess it works, but it's a pretty shady business practice in my opinion. I wouldn't want to bank on that sort of behavior for any sort of return on investment.)
     
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  14. Androioi

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    Ye I'll agree with you there, that there are too many of these crapy apps more focused on ad revenue than delivering quality content to the user.
    After testing a few of these apps myself I've kind gone off the idea, as it would take a especially desperate kind of person to actually see one of those games through to actually receving a pay out.

    I've been browsing source code market places where there is much better quality apps... at a fraction of the price of Flippa. I see now that place is mainly just full of resellers trying to make a quick buck, than actual talented developers. No offence to anyone lol.

    I can't get my head round why people actually do in-app purchases, I've spent years hunting everything for free lol. But people do, so I'll try and create/find something worth paying for.
     
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  15. MoodyBlues

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    I can tell you why I do it! :)

    For one thing, I don't do ads. Not on TV (that's what DVRs are for--skipping ads!), not in my web browsers, and not in programs I use.

    Then there's my desire to give talented developers a pat on the back for a job well done. I think they're entitled to be rewarded monetarily for the time, creativity, knowledge and effort they put into a great app.

    Combined, that means I only use paid apps.

    If there's a free version that lets me get its overall feel, and see the additional features available in the paid version, I either pay or uninstall depending on whether I like it. If there's only a paid version, I buy it, give it a quick run-through, and uninstall it within the allotted time if I don't like it.

    The only exceptions--and they're few and far between--are free apps, like the Candy Crush games, that have in-app purchases in lieu of ads, and apps that don't have a paid version. Apps in that last category have to be REALLY awesome! And not have ads.
     
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  16. beagleX

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    They should be legal if they have all the permits and papers to operate.
     
  17. Androioi

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    Thanks for you input, it's good to hear and have an understanding from a different perspective. Appreciated.
     
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  18. codesplice

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    Yep, I use a lot of paid apps for the same reasons @MoodyBlues mentioned. I'd much rather directly support a developer of an app I enjoy rather than dealing with ads.
     
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  19. MoodyBlues

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    You're welcome! :)
     
  20. Milo Willamson

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    I am not a sap either, I do not believe in "Quick get rich scams." :)
     
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