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Edward Snowden: Traitor or Hero?

Discussion in 'Politics and Current Affairs' started by jefboyardee, Jun 24, 2013.

  1. jefboyardee

    jefboyardee Extreme Android User
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  2. SiempreTuna

    SiempreTuna Android Expert

    I'm thinking .. both.

    Clearly, he appears to have broken the law - and specific rules he signed up to - and that would make him a traitor, on the other hand, throwing away his life to let people know about such intrusive programs would appear to be pretty heroic ..

    .. even though none of this could have come as a surprise to anyone who'd been taking the slightest bit of notice over the last 11 years. It is pretty much precisely what the Patroit Act was designed to achieve.
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  3. Co1dNight

    Co1dNight Newbie

    Hero. At lease someone has the guts to tell us what is REALLY going on with this corrupt government. If anything, Obama is the traitor. Especially since he promised to STOP the illegal wiretapping!
  4. copestag

    copestag Android Expert

    moot question......... he cannot be a hero without being a traitor

    if there were no risk in doing what he did then everyone would do it

    that risk is being a traitor

    so hes either both or neither
  5. JohnLaird

    JohnLaird Well-Known Member

    Hero or traitor...that is very murky since our country was founded on it.

    Depends on what kind of deal he cuts to keep his life and/or stay out of prison. If he provides classified information to a foreign state in exchange for his life or to avoid torture...then he should be held accountable for it by a jury of his peers (whether that results in his death I do not care, as long as due process happens).
  6. SiempreTuna

    SiempreTuna Android Expert

    .. not at all, given that everything that has been done is apparently legal and - given the Supreme Court's refusal to look at it - constitutional ..

    If every politician who failed to fulfill a promise was convicted of treachery .. actually, that sounds pretty good :D
  7. TJGoSurf

    TJGoSurf Android Expert

    He's a hero. He gave up everything because for what he thought was right. Did you see the girl he left behind? That's reason enough to stay
  8. SiempreTuna

    SiempreTuna Android Expert

    Not sure that would hold up in court: ".. and did m'lord see just how HOT his ex is? I mean, whoa! I'd like to take her ass-adavit! I warrant my pants are gettin' tort! .. Is it just me or is it getting warm in here ..?"
  9. unnamedny

    unnamedny Android Expert

    He is a hero. He released something illegal done by the government, since they had no right to do that, what a surprise that someone released it.

    They accused him of being a terrorist and compromising our security. Few weeks have passed, and there is no proof of him compromising our security because he did not do any damage. None is dead or injured, our economy is still in place, no secrets were sold/released to other countries, ect. He just released the truth that did not hurt any of us, only our government's reputation, but again, who's fault is that?
  10. ElasticNinja

    ElasticNinja Android Expert

    Well certainly, unlike Manning, he did not carelessly release information which put lives at risk. He seems to have had things planned out and such.
  11. JohnLaird

    JohnLaird Well-Known Member

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  12. unnamedny

    unnamedny Android Expert

    Even the Manning did not do the harm that press told us about. Main argument was that "her already has blood on his hands" meaning it caused number of deaths to US soldiers. It's not true. It has been years and no one has proven it to be true.
  13. rabidhunter

    rabidhunter Android Expert

    Anymore, standing up for the right thing borders on breaking the law and being a traitor. The founding fathers of America were traitors, but they did the right thing and became heros.
  14. pbf98

    pbf98 Android Expert

    Just exposing the lies of our government. Traitor he may be, but as said before.. the men who founded this country were traitors and I am sure they would have stood up and done the same thing.

    "A government that is afraid of the people is Liberty, when the people are afraid of the government it is tyranny"
  15. OutofDate1980

    OutofDate1980 Android Expert

    This former Senator appears to be sticking his neck out. Maybe the MSM will start concentrating on what information Snowden released rather then attempting to create a daytime soap opera. Snowden's reply is also in the cited article.

    Email exchange between Edward Snowden and former GOP Senator Gordon Humphrey | Glenn Greenwald | Comment is free | guardian.co.uk

    "Former two-term GOP Senator Gordon Humphrey of New Hampshire emailed Edward Snowden yesterday [emphasis added]:
    Mr. Snowden,

    Provided you have not leaked information that would put in harms way any intelligence agent, I believe you have done the right thing in exposing what I regard as massive violation of the United States Constitution.

    Having served in the United States Senate for twelve years as a member of the Foreign Relations Committee, the Armed Services Committee and the Judiciary Committee, I think I have a good grounding to reach my conclusion.

    I wish you well in your efforts to secure asylum and encourage you to persevere.

    Kindly acknowledge this message, so that I will know it reached you.

    Gordon J. Humphrey
    Former United States Senator
    New Hampshire"
  16. OcalaFlGuy

    OcalaFlGuy Android Expert

    <NSA; If that little %&*# Snowden would just stick his damn nose outside a bit, we'd introduce him to Mr. Predator Drone.>
  17. SiempreTuna

    SiempreTuna Android Expert

    Not while he's in Russia - I think that's generally only done in countries that don't have ballistic missiles to carry their nukes :D
  18. OcalaFlGuy

    OcalaFlGuy Android Expert

    <NSA; Don't worry. Remember the Drone that crashed in Iran? We planted that. Now ALL Our drones are painted Exactly Like the Iranian drone they Copied of ours. And we just landed Our drones on an aircraft carrier for the first time. Shhhh. >
  19. SiempreTuna

    SiempreTuna Android Expert

    Hey! That could land the Iranians in BIG trouble!

    Oh .. hang on ..
  20. OutofDate1980

    OutofDate1980 Android Expert

  21. sntaylor

    sntaylor Android Expert

    He has now been given temporary refuge in Russia and has finally left the airport :)
  22. unnamedny

    unnamedny Android Expert

    It has been given to him for a year. So it's not that temporary, and it's renewable. You'd expect to get a letter from Russia to US (if US was hiding someone) that they are not going to torture or give out a death penalty.
  23. OutofDate1980

    OutofDate1980 Android Expert

    Interesting, even if published by the media, it is still classified, therefore one can't discuss. Welcome to 1984.

    Members of Congress denied access to basic information about NSA | Glenn Greenwald | Comment is free | theguardian.com

    "In early July, Grayson had staffers distribute to House members several slides published by the Guardian about NSA programs as part of Grayson's efforts to trigger debate in Congress. But, according to one staff member, Grayson's office was quickly told by the House Intelligence Committee that those slides were still classified, despite having been published and discussed in the media, and directed Grayson to cease distribution or discussion of those materials in the House, warning that he could face sanctions if he continued."
  24. Davdi

    Davdi Android Expert

    Governments just hate having the light of truth shone into their murkier corners.

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