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  1. jova33

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    Last night my wife wanted to watch a movie, and I said "By the time we went to bed, it will be 2:30."
    My wife tried to say that's improper grammar, so I looked it up and its called a future perfect. Putting a past tense in a future statement. She still argues that it's improper, and I can't find anything to confirm that it's improper.
    "It will be 2:30 by the time we went to bed."
    Can anyone tell me, for sure, if I'm right or wrong?
     

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    How about "By the time we went to bed, it would be 2:30."

    I must admit, I'm not overly fussed about grammar. :D
     
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    "By the time we've gone to bed, it will be 2:30"?
    I'm an absolute grammar nazi, but this one is up to interpretation.
     
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    Yes dear.

    I've been married for 11 years. Happy wife, happy life. ;)
     
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    I agree with your wife, doesn't make sense to me.
     
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    Sorry to say, but I agree with your wife.

    "By the time we go to bed, it will be 2:30."
    "It would be 2:30 by the time we went to bed."
    "It will be 2:30 by the time we go to bed."
    "It will be 2:30 by the time we get to bed."
    not
    "It will be 2:30 by the time we went to bed."
     
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    although your sentence is grammar correct.
    but i think she is right .. in this situation.

    went is past tense.. and you are talking about the future... so
    I agree with the post above.. "GO" should be used.

    It would be 2:30 by the time we go to bed.
     
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    Yeah, it *sounds* like your wife was right in this case to me too.

    But honestly, she was right regardless. ;)
    As granite said:
    :D
     
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    No matter how you word it or say it.

    The wife is always gonna be right no matter how wrong she is.

    End of story lol.

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    I'd say "it will be 2:30 by the time we go to bed."
     
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    "By the time we go to bed, it will be 2:30."

    but I prefer.

    "It will be 2:30 by the time we go to bed."

    "went" is the past participle of "go".

    e.g. "It was 2:30 when we went to bed." or "We went to bed at 2:30".
     
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    Ding ding. That sounds good to me.
     
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    In the link I posted it shows having a past tense verb in a future statement.
    I gave up, she won already. This is just for my future knowledge.
     
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    The link you posted shows the use of modals in the future perfect, "went" is not a modal. Just for your future knowledge. :)

    OK that's enough grammar for the moment, it's time for me to go to school. :rolleyes:
     
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    OP:

    There is more to communication than being grammatically correct. Something has to be said for being concise and clear as well. As others have already posted, there are many other ways of phrasing what you wanted to say without causing your wife to scratch her head about your weird wording.

    BTW, your original phrasing did not employ the future perfect tense at all. Future perfect is:

    "will have been." You said "will be" which is just regular ol' future tense of the verb "to be".

    The first half of your sentence is imperfect past tense, which ideally would have been finished off with the imperfect past tense:

    "By the time we went to bed, it was 2:30."

    But that clearly was not your meaning. So the best way to phrase what you meant is:

    "By the time we go to bed, it will be 2:30."


    "We went to bed" can also be preterite past tense; the difference is that preterite implies a past event that has already concluded, whereas imperfect past tense implies ongoing action. In the context of your original sentence, you are referring to the act of going to bed, so it's in progress. English speakers often have a hard time distinguishing between preterite and imperfect tenses because often there is no distinction in the grammar. Romance languages make the distinction very clear in the verb conjugation.
     
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    Thank you for breaking it down for me :):)
     
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    [​IMG]
    Centurion: Romani...Eunt? What is eunt?
    Brian: "Go"! De...
    Centurion: Conjugate the verb "go"!
    Brian: Aah...ere, eo, is, it, imus, itis, eunt.
    Centurion: So eunt is...?
    Brian: Aah, ehm...third person plural present indicative.
    Ehm..."they go".
    Centurion: But "Romans go home" is an order, so you must use
    the...?
    Brian: Aih! Imperative!
    Centurion: Which is...?
    Brian: Ehm, oh...oh, ehm...i, i!
    Centurion: How many Romans?
    Brian: Aah! it's...plural, plural! Ite! Ite!


    No wonder so many students seem to hate doing Latin at school.
     
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    Wife's right.

    "By the time we went to bed, it will be 2:30" isn't a real sentence. "Went" is past tense and the problem in this example.

    Have you shown her this thread yet!?
     
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    She won the discussion like days ago. why should I show her more proof that she was right? Lol
     
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    Maybe she'll reward you given your humility? ;):D
     
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    Then this must work too:

    By the time I got to Phoenix, she'll be rising.
     
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    Yep!! Go not Went ... You can go places but you can't went anywhere !!
     
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    "Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo" is also correct. Difficult to understand, but grammatically correct.
     

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