Buy 2 Eris's for $20, wife and I on an every 2 upgrade and buy one, get one free deal, OR spring for the Incredible @ $200 for me and something for the wife. I'm a long time Handspring/Palm user, Visor, Visor Deluxe, Treo 90, 600, 650 and now Centro. Even with the HP buy out of Palm, I wasn't impressed with the Palm Pre, the OS seemed slow at times. Plus I believe the Android OS is going to be a killer system. I did like the Eris I played with, as did my wife, who's never had a smartphone. Had no issues with the touch screen keyboard. I DO hate lag in a device, waiting for a app to open, etc... which I noticed on the Pre. The real question is, for someone who likes my Contacts, Schedule, Phone and Memo book on one device and who would be perfectly happy using Google for contacts and schedule, but who desires some add'l functionality such as Google Maps/GPS capability, web access, is the Incredible TOO much OS/Phone and would I be happy with an Eris ? and is HTC/Verizon going to upgrade the Eris to Android 2.1 (without so called root hacks) and do I NEED 2.1 ? and as a side question, is the Eris battery life better - in theory then the Incredible and is battery issues on Incredible anything to worry about ?. Thanks in advance and yes I did a forum search Steve B.