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    Some of the reviews were simply bad, independent of their conclusion. A review consisting solely of an "I don't like 3D" gripe is not a good review. The gizmodo reviewer, in response to a commentor that said you don't have to use the 3D features, said: "Then why bother buying a phone with a main distinguishing feature of 3D capabilities?" Why? Because it's one of only a few fast dual core phones out, and one of the few qHD ones, and probably the best available phone on Sprint's network right now -- going based on specs, not something subjective.

    In other cases, the forumgoers here have experience which would lead us to the opposite conclusion the reviewer drew from the same data. For example, leaving the 4G radio on for 14 hours, or taking photos for an hour solid -- we know these are battery-expensive features, so many of us believe the battery life they reported was actually good, not poor.

    I think the complaints about poor voice quality are something to be concerned by; they were shared by multiple reviewers. (I think many are skeptical that this is a big negative, as they use their phones for data more than talking. Or maybe like me, they keep a landline because they've never had a cell phone with what they'd consider "good" sound quality.) And the camera may well be worse than other phones -- probably not surprising that they made sacrifices to get two of them in. Sounds like otherwise, things are pretty good.

    Yes, some people may be in denial no matter what the reviews say. But keeping a critical eye on the critics isn't inherently a bad thing.
     

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    From that PC Mag Review

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    Battery life is an interesting poser here. The EVO 3D gets eight hours of talk time, which is great. But heavy 3D or 4G use will kill the 1730 mAh battery; if I left 4G on, or took a lot of 3D videos, the phone could be dead after about 12 hours of use."

    Huh?? I for one WOULD NOT have 4G on all day and take alot of 3D Videos at work.....so is this what Engadget FOOLISHLY did?
     
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    Nevermind the reviews. My excitement level for this phone was never there. Since it was annouced at CTIA, I couldnt help but feel underwhelmed. I know specs wise its a beast. But its not enough for me to waste my upgrade on. I don't really care for 3D. Besides, my EVO is doing plenty good for me for the time being.
     
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    Yeah, I too was a bit disappointed at the ad hominem personal attacks on some of the reviewers, the constant apologists' referral to "bias" in the reviews, and that the "best" reviews seemed to also be the reviews that rated the Evo 3D well. At the point where people need to feel "validated" by a positive review is when you've personally invested yourself too much into a phone.

    I will say though, that several of the reviews are lacking in detail, which I think is a fair complaint. For example, the Gizmodo review just seems to be a few bullet points of pros and cons. Is this where phone reviews are headed now that there are simply too many Android devices to spend adequate time with?
     
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    I think you're missing the point. The point many people are trying to make is not to simply discount any negative reviews, people are however questioning whether the people performing the reviews are unbiased, and as such whether their findings are factual and not simply exaggerated to help support their viewpoint. There are many people questioning whether the reviewers are Apple fanboys, who simply discount ANY new technology or device taht wasn't pioneered by Apple.

    Even across reviews, there are inconsistencies, which lead to the questioning of whether their findings are indicitive of what people could expect when using the device under normal conditions. When they say something performs poorly, they need to give a frame of reference so we know what this is based on. For example, if they placed one call with the Evo4G, and another from the same location with the Evo3D, and the voice quality on the Evo3D didn't match up with the Evo4G, then this would help people to understand exactly what their findings were based on.

    The simple fact is NONE of the findings of any of these reviews can be taken alone, or to be assumed to be fact. I personally am concerned about poor voice quality, which I will test for myself when the device is released. I dont' think anyone is discounting a potential problem with voice quality, however I personally want to see if their findings are overblown and exactly how big of an issue there really is, if there even is one.
     
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    Hey hey, Skull plans to do this with his phone....lol
     
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    Can we even count the Gizmodo article as a review?

    I'm willing to admit my theory was wrong about voice quality if it turns out HTC messed up a hardware component or its a OS problem.
     
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    The problem is the 'Boy who cried wolf'. Everytime anyone points out anything negative about an Android device, we immediately hear cries of pro-Apple bias.
     
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    Sorry but I think someone would be a fool to leave "4G" on all day. Both WiMax and even worse, LTE, are well known to kill a battery try to establish signals and speeds.

    People think the EVO's battery was bad, what happened with the Thunderbolt? I think thats why there are far and few LTE phones. They have not found a way yet for the radio to not put heavy constraints on the battery.

    And before anybody questions my knowledge on that, I was in Vegas a month ago, and a friend that lives there has a Thunderbolt. She was charging that thing almost every 4 hrs. She chose to leave 4G on all day and just deal with the battery life that way.
     
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    Exactly. The problem is, it's not clear if we should be holding reviewers to the same standard as a bunch of folks hanging around in a forum finding and dissecting every piece of Evo 3D information.

    The reviewers, for the most part, reflect the average populace, and I think it's fair to say that the problems cited by many of the reviewers would be valid observations by general folks (I think many people have the valid expectation of using 4G all the time, instead of like a switch when you need a turbo boost of data throughput -- why pay so much for/heavily advertise something you can only use in short bursts?).

    Additionally, inconsistencies between reviews are often explained by the simple fact that you have different reviewers -- Vlad @ engaget reviewed the Sensation, while Myriam reviewed the Evo, and the Galaxy S2 was reviewed overseas. These things happen.
     
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    Good observables, likely not the only conclusion or the correct one.

    As mentioned, these things should be able to deal with radio interference.

    What they're not able to always cope with is power management when you hit the right stress conditions.

    Fun trick for all Evo 4G owners - turn on GPS radio, let it idle, forget location or maps. Check your wifi speed. Turn off your GPS radio - re-run speed test: watch your wifi speed double or more.

    Try the same thing on the Shift - no difference.

    What's up and why?

    They make the phones compact and more affordable by using multi-function chips wherever they can.

    And normally, you can never notice to pay attention to the man behind the curtain.

    But - put your primary call radio functions under stress of low signal and its software/firmware/hardware is immediatly going to run home to Momma (a high-priority phone management function, iow) for help - Hey, Mom, is it me or the towers? I dunno dear, maybe we should just hop around a little bit and make sure. Mind you, we're not bright, so let's do this a lot in a low signal area. (Ok, I won't quit my day job. Anyway... doing that take extra power.)

    It's at that point, depending on make, model and the stress condition, that the power management of the multi-function chips can't keep up. In my Evo example, it keeps up just fine, but wifi/gps are same circuit on that phone. Turn one off, you give more power to the other, and you stop managing shared data paths and slow control looping for that chip.

    So, entirely reasonable you solved the problem by turning off some function. And not too bad a deal that you had to do in a place that's Fort Knox-like.

    But if you had to do that under otherwise normal conditions, that's just a crappy phone, as common sense tells us and you already know.

    So - without being able to measure what you saw - if I had to guess, I'd guess power management before RF interference.
     
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    I disagree somewhat. The people that "need" 3D is very very very small. The casual buyer is viewing this phone as a 3D specific and emphaisized phone so they are viewing it as a "not needed" phone. There have been several posts on this board about people having been told by Sprint as well assuming that this phone is just the Evo with 3D.


    In another thread on sprint boards about Nexus S Signal Issues (which i view a lot because I had that issue and the Nexus S), many people expressed the same sentiment. "Im not returning my phone to get the 3D, I dont need or care about 3D." To which one poster replied...to sum "You know its a much better phone and has a ton of upgrades over the Evo than just the 3d...its dual processor and such".


    I agree that most people dont read reviews, are tech savy, and post in this thread or even AF as a whole. I've done a lot of reading and asking around, and it seems like the casual buyer is uninterested in a phone emphasizing 3D as its main selling point. Most people in this thread who are interested in this phone also don't care about the 3D aspect of this phone either.

    Since neither the majority of tech savy people nor casual buyers are swayed by 3D...it seems like a marketing fail to me. I agree with the poster who said this should have been called the Evo 2, and downplayed the 3D a tad. Its cool, but should be given less billing.
     
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    I personally know plenty of people who would have sex with their iPhone if they could. They LOVE Apple, and it doesn't matter what new device Apple came out with, they will snatch it up in a heart beat. I know that if I'm looking for an honest assessment on a competing technology (Android), then I shouldn't talk to them as their opinion will be heavily impacted by their strong preference to Apple.

    Not every negative review of Android or the 3D for that matter is an example of pro-Apple bias, however some of them certainly may be. That is the issue, no one is sure exactly what to expect.

    That is why you can take their reviews with a grain of salt, however I personally refuse to settle for anyone's "review" other then my own when making my final decision to purchase or not. If after testing it I decide it has poor quality voice, as the reviews mention, then I'll know their findings were accurate and I should look elsewhere. If however I don't see any problems with voice quality, then I'll know that it isn't an issue for me personally.

    People need to rely on their own personal experiences to make their final decision, and not rely SOLELY on the opinions of others.
     
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    The person doing the PCMAG review says they had difficulties with the 3g and 4g networks. It was similarly noted by some of the other reviews. What's concerning is the Sensation didn't appear to have any of these problems in the reviews. Could this be a Sprint thing that's causing these problems, or are the phones actually much more different than just Sense/etc?
     
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    It seems silly to try and call us fanboys for trying to think critically about the accuracy and implications of the "data" (if it can really be called data) collected by these reviewers. I'll admit that I really wanted to hear only good reviews on this phone, but that isn't the case. The issue I take is that many reviewers seem prejudiced against the phone because it has "3D" in its name.

    Also, just like some people on here are desperately clinging to small details and trying to turn them into positive point due to their "fanboyism," I also wonder if the reviewers aren't doing something similar. They genuinely want the phone to fail, and they are presenting everything they can in a negative light. It's pretty easy to tell by reading through the comments that the Engadget reviewer is pretty set on the Galaxy S2 winning the top phone spot for the year, so you don't think some bias could come in to play here? Maybe we have different definitions of bias, but whenever someone misrepresents data to help justify a certain viewpoint over another, I (as a scientist) call that bias.

    Anyway, I'm somewhat worried about the signal issues. The building where I do my research already have pretty terrible 3G penetration, and if I don't use Wifi, my Evo won't make it 4 or 5 hours (most I got without wifi was 8 hours). Still, leaving Wifi on isn't really a deal breaker for me. Out of all the things these reviews have tried to spin into a negative, that's the only real problem for me.
     
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    No, I wouldn't count the Gizmodo article a review. And it's not because of the negativity. It's because he yammered on and on about the 3D aspect and left out a lot about the features most folks are getting this phone for. That's not fanboyism, that's just stating facts.

    I dropped Cingular like a hot rock (for call quality, drops, etc), daring them to try to get an ETF from me when they bought the original AT&T wireless. I'm not afraid to take something back and get something else if the product sucks. There are some that can live without more of this, and others that can live without more of that. To each his own. The summary of reviews hit the nail on the head. It's a mixed bag. Because of the variances, all except the voice quality, I have to think that the phone is solid but needs some tweaking to improve a few things - stuff that OTA updates can fix.

    I lived through almost two years with a Palm Pre. This bad boy will be a marked improvement out the gate than what's in my pocket right now.
     
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    The "EVO 2" was probably from my post....but I completely agree.

    If this phone was labeled an EVO "etc" and had it marked on the box, or back of the phone "3D capable" I guarantee you people would be all over it.

    But with 3D in the name, and an unfortunate selling point, it will turn people away. Why? Why would I care about 3D, I just want a bad*** Android smartphone.

    Hmm sort sounds like last year with the EVO 4G...some Sprint users on another forum, for another phone(At one time supposed to be the Flagship phone for Sprint) were dismissing the EVO, one for being Android, and two for the "4G" label. Alot of them had no care for 4G at all, and saw it as unnecessary, pretty much dismissing the phone.

    The 3D name, in my opinion, is clouding peoples judgements on the other true aspects of the phone.
     
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    Regarding bad call quality in the reviews:

    I tend not to look for explanations why a given reviewer might have received bad signal, and here's why:

    These reviewers are reviewing smartphones all the time, and it's very likely their methodology for these reviews are very similar. All radios on, testing a call to the same number(s), calling from the same location, etc, etc. This is an assumption I'm making, but I believe it's very likely.

    Therefore, if a reviewer says Evo 3D has bad call quality, it's likely in reference to other phones s/he's tested in very similar circumstances, and the Evo 3D doesn't perform as well comparably.

    That's not to say the Evo 3D couldn't perform better with call quality in other test conditions. But I tend to believe there is legitimacy with call quality problems because it's such a universal feature, and the reviewers have a lot of experience testing that.

    Features like 3D, not so much. None of the reviewers knew enough about 3D to be able to satisfy someone like me whose done a lot of research on stereoscopy since the phone's introduction. They made a lot of newbie mistakes like trying to get extra depth or stuff to pop out. These are traditionally the most gimmicky parts of 3D. Also, just like in traditional photography, there are guidelines to composition where if followed, yields a much better picture. Such guidelines exist with stereoscopic photography. For example, not one of the reviewers actually took the stereo base (distance between camera lenses) into consideration. Not doing so can easily lead to images or videos that cause eye strain. Anyway, I don't really blame the reviewers for not knowing. The ability to capture stereo images is very new for most people. Nothing in the reviews regarding 3D surprised me. Pro tip: subject should be at least 3ft away from the camera for least eye strain. This tip can be violated in certain situations to achieve pop-out without eyestrain.

    Battery life: as I've said in many other posts, I'm personally not worried. I can do a lot better than any of the times posted in these reviews because I know my personal usage, and I know how to manage my battery in a smart way. However, like the call quality, I have to acknowledge that if these reviewers are all saying Evo 3D battery is nowhere close as good as, say, the Sensation, the OG Evo (heh), or any other phone, I have to acknowledge that even though the Evo 3D battery life is good enough, there may be something even better. Again, the reviewers are probably subjecting all their test phones to something similar, so in that sense, they have the right to say that Evo 3D didn't perform as well as another phone.

    And someone else already said this but I thought it important to reiterate:

    Let's not have selective hearing with these reviews. If you can't accept a reviewer's critique about battery life, for example, how can you then accept any of the positive things s/he says about the phone? Let's all be more objective about this. The purpose is to arm yourself with information so you know what to test the day you go to play with the phone yourself.
     
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    Funny, I've been happy with sprint for the past several years and have had my 3d on pre-order since day one and I'm headed out to sign up with Tmobile and try the sensation.

    I'll still pick up the 3d next week and decide between the two.
     
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    I am assuming you have never owned a 4g phone before have you? Pick your poison LTE/Wimax, either will drain your battery. My point in what I posted wasn't meant to be taken as to turn it off but it was to say how they basically abused the phone then complained about battery performance. This is a phone not a point and shoot camera, running through 80 pictures and 4 videos in a short time then complain about battery life, thats just stupid to be quite frank. The reality is that almost 15 hours with wimax connected really is pretty damn good. Look at evo users using wimax, look at thunderbolt users using lte and you will see how laughable their battery use is when using 4g. We have the option to turn of 4g then just turn it off, hell everything else can stay on. Like someone already said, the standby time is more than double of what the evo is and the talk time is better as well.
     
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    Novox is right.

    If anyone doubts they'll be anything less than pleased with their Evo3D experience, just don't purchase on launch day. Wait a little longer until we all get more information.

    I think a lot of the reviews are being a little over-negative because the phone is a 3D device; but that's just my opinion. The reviews that have focused more on the Evo3D as an Android device first, a phone second, and the 3D as an included feature have been overwhelmingly good.
     
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    Ditto. I know I will get way better battery out of the Evo3d than the reviewers because I get way better battery out of my Evo OG than the reviewers did. I also understand that reviews are subjective, what is good for one may be terrible for another. That's the way it goes. Even the Call quality is subjective, however that is one thing that rings true across almost all of the reviews, less than stellar quality. I do admit I am a little concerned but as always I will do my own tests and make my own informed decision on whether or not to keep it.

    I would rather have the functions like 3D and 4G and not use them, than to not have them at all.
     
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    I wonder if this is the reason why CDMA networks have fewer dropped calls than GSM networks? People are out and about, they get a voice call, and their phone dumps the data radios.
     
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    +1 on everything you said. That is the main point I was trying to get across, while the mention of call quality on multiple reviews is concerning and can't be overlooked, it also isn't across the board as a couple reviews said it had excellent call quality. A lot of things to take into consideration, and I'm not going to just jump the gun and say "well they said call quality is bad, so I'm not even going to try the 3D out and won't buy it".

    Just like you, I'm concerned about poor call quality (that's the only thing I'm concerned about), and I'll do my own tests in the store as well when deciding if I want to buy it or get something else.
     
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