Discussion in 'Android Lounge' started by lekky, Dec 29, 2009.
Five reasons why the Google Nexus One won't kill the iPhone – Telegraph Blogs
The 'excuse list' gets smaller and smaller after every single next-gen Android Phone.
#1 is stupid because an iPod is an MP3 player, regardless, which Android-based phones have.
#2 - What?
#3 - Android has Apps, too?
#4 - Yup. It's got games, too.
#5 - Fail, fail, fail.
Agreed.... they just dont want to let the top spot go .... even though the iphone is FAR from being the best anymore.....
that guy that wrote the article is a douche. who said that the Nexus One is supposed to kill the iphone? im pretty sure id rather have a google android phone on a good network in the states then to be an apple fanboy with an iphone on a shitty network. how many phones does apple make that people use?, last i counted it was a grand total of 1. how many phones does HTC make?, too many to count. im sure if HTC and Google stopped makin a bunch of different phones and focused on just one like Apple they would have a hell of a phone. i would even go as far to say that it would be an iPhone demolisher. but HTC and Google are smart and that make phones for just about every network in the states. there strategy in the cellphone market is just better than Apple and AT&T. i hate apple fanboys.......
I find that laughable, for one some of his info is out of date. Also one of his points is he cant be bothered to search for apps, and he is the Head of Technology for what is a massive Media Group? I'm not Head of Technology of anything, but my love of Tech makes it a joy for me to search out new apps.
Anyway I think the article was just so poorly researched.
Wow. That's just sad.
#1 -- That's just stupid. Android handles music just fine. Video is kinda crappy, but I'm sure that will improve quickly.
#2 -- OMG IPHONE GEOTAGS PHOTOS?!?!?!!?!!!!1111 NO WAY THE GOOGLES WILL EVER CATCH UP!!!111
#3 -- And how many of that "90,000" are the exact same apps? Or demo versions of a paid app? Don't get me wrong -- I had an iPhone for a few months. I loved it, and would have kept it if AT&T weren't so damned expensive. But I very quickly realized that most of the apps were the exact same thing, which isn't surprising given the limitations Apple places on developers. There's only so many things that you can do with those kinds of restrictions. Yes, the iPhone does currently have more professionally developed apps than Android, but that's quickly changing. And in my experience Android definitely has the more innovative apps. And I find it funny that he admits are probably alternatives to the apps he has, he's just too lazy to look.
#4 -- Only one that in my mind has any clout right now. Until Android allows you to install to external memory or units are sent with a lot more internal, developers won't be able to make high-end games for Android.
#5 -- Uh, my Hero looks quite pretty. And I can change it. Without jailbreaking it. And the keyboard is quite nice. IMO better than the iPhones, because if I backspace when typing a word IT DOESN'T STOP THE #$*#ING AUTO-CORRECT (sorry... I HATED that about the iPhone...)
Lmao thats the thing about the apple fanboys, they just LOVE thier inferior products. They love being told what they need and how they need it.
I never thought that the Nexus One would kill the iPhone, just level the playing field in a way. But this list is silly. If this is their best-made case for the continuity of the iPhone, then the iPhone will die for the sheer fact that this list is stupid.
1. My phone is my iPod
2. Everything else syncs too
5. Details, details, details
Having used an iPhone for six months and now Android for a couple of weeks, my take on this:
1. Many people like the sync between iPhone and iTunes. Personally, I don't - I like the control I have over what and when I copy music over. But a LOT of people like the fact that new music in iTunes is automatically sync'd to their iPhone. They like the fact that playlists are sync'd, etc.
2. iPhone sync's photos, videos, etc with the desktop. Calendar, contacts, etc, all sync too. Yes, Android syncs with Google, but that is a pain to sync with my desktop. I have just about given up on having good contact sync between my desktop and my phone right now.
3. Apps. Yes Android has apps. Lots of them. But iPhone has more and they are BETTER. There's no doubt in my mind that iPhone apps are more polished, more finished, and available to ALL iPhone users. I can't buy any protected apps from the Market. I don't know why and I don't know who to get to fix it.
4. Games. I think everyone can see that games on the iPhone are FAR better than games on Android right now. Granted, it may not always be the case, but right now they are. And unless Google sort out the mess that is the Market, people will either not be able to buy the games, or (like me on 1.5) not be able to see screen shots, etc, and therefore not want to buy them. Developers will then not carry on developing.
5. I'll give this one to Android - details on iPhone are great...everything is polished, works and looks good. But that IS at the expense of user configuration and freedom to DO more with their phones.
It's quite obvious that, this being an Android forum, everyone is going to rubbish this, but I am VERY disapointed with my Android experience so far and am worried about the choice I have made.
To be honest I cannot stand iTunes, I think it is a terrible piece of software. I have owned an iPod for years and years and Never used iTunes. So #1 is silly. Also #2. I have many dfferent pc's/laptops. And since I bought my Hero and moved everything over to the Google cloud my life has never been easier. Everything, pictures, emails, to-do, docs, rss. Everything is 1 click away whatever pc/laptop/phone I am standing at. And that is invaluable to me.
Well I am of the opinion that if you choose to go with an Android/Google phone, AND you wish to fully maximize it's potential, the best thing to do is to move your life over to the Google cloud. Now I know that some people will moan and groan about this and in some cases, it does take a bit of work. Still, I went into this whole Android thing knowing that was the best way to go so I moved all of my stuff over to Google and even started using Google Voice more. After doing this, I can say I am very satisfied with the experience. Keep in mind that Android is still in it's early stages and there are definitely improvements to be made. They really need to have their calendar do better with Tasks and allow auto syncing with same. A notes section similar to that in Outlook would also be very nice. Still, I'd take them any day over iPhone for several reasons. 1) AT&T sucks, especially where I am. 2) Much more personalization potential 3) Many more people will be able to experience Anroid given open source 4) while not as many apps as Apple, just a matter of time before it surpasses them, especially given the number of Android phones coming out 5) Far more choices in hardware so you can find that 'perfect' combination of hardware and software for your needs 6) ability to switch carriers and still have an OS you really like and 7) IT'S NOT A FREAKIN iPHONE!
Like every other "x is better than y because.." list it's ultra subjective. I don't like itunes. I will never own an apple product for the reasons he praises apple for. That is my business. All of his "reasons" are the reasons he won't switch, but he is attempting to present it like it's the thoughts of the rest of the world.
These things made me lol.
One reason why I don't give a damn about the Iphone: I wouldn't do business with AT&T if they were the only phone provider in the world.
The Nexus one is just like any other android phone. If you like android better than the iphone then it's better. There will be a better android phone in 6 months if not less. Personally, I could never switch to a low rez screen after using the droid.
Sounds like iPhone fanboism to me. No, nothing is going to "kill" the iPhone, but finally there are superior alternatives to it. Apple still has the locked down environment going for them, which - I must admit as much as I hate it - is great for non-geeks. Try this article for some interesting information regarding Android and the iPhone.
I would also add that the iphone "dying" would be horrible for android users. Competition is what keeps phone makers innovating. I hope Palm gets it act together as well and is a solid competitor.
Agreed. Also I would like to point out that the nexus one is just one phone. Android is a collective. It's the OS that is superior here the hardware...well it's just hardware. For the time being android phone are getting some very attractive hardware though.
Games? We've got NES/SNES/Genesis emulators for that. I don't play games other than Solitaire on my netbook, I have an Xbox for that; I don't want my phone to be a gaming platform, I have a PSP for that.
iPod? Both play music just fine; Android's interface is fugly, but a) you listen, not look, b) Android gives people an option of downloading alternative media players (which are coming, no doubt)
Syncs everything? Android syncs calendars and contacts on the fly (BIG plus), and last time I checked, it takes me around 3 minutes to manage my music choices, including copy time. iPhone? I would be lucky if the sync completed in under 10 minutes.
Apps? Where is a document editor? A skinnable home screen shell? Free turn-by-turn navigation? Old gaming console emulator? Alternate web browsers? Terminal? Sure, sheep will spend money on iFart and I am T-Pain all day long, but does the guy really think this makes App Store superior to the Market?
One thing though, Nexus One is looking to be a T-Mobile phone, so the "bad, bad AT&T" argument doesn't apply. I was on T-Mobile for 4 years before switching to Verizon, and I am never going back to that piece of garbage zero-coverage no-3G pseudo-network, even for the $15 a month savings over Verizon.
Quick reality check: The media capabilities currently present on Android are not within a million miles of the iPhone/iPod Touch. Putting aside the superior interface (there's a reason they don't come with a manual, the interface is so intuitive you "just know") media playback and management is professionally done, on Android it's an afterthought and it shows.
My current goal in life is to find an Android media player app that understands the concept of a multi-disc album, l'll continue using my iPod Touch until I find one.
Don't get me wrong, I bought a Milestone instead of an iPhone 3GS for good reasons but pretending that the Android can currently compete on any level with the iPhone's media capabilities is more than a little naive. We all WANT it to be true, and I'm certain one day it will be, but that day is not today.
It plays Music just fine... Your just scrambling for excuses sounds to me.
If your definition of fine includes "Not in the right order" and "Can't be controlled from the lock screen unless you have an HTC Hero" then yes, it's fine. Playing music is not enough, it has to play it well and conveniently to be comparable to the Apple phones/players.
As a Milestone owner who loves his new toy why would I be scrambling for excuses to put it down? Acknowledging it's shortcomings is far more productive than burying your head in the sand and pretending everything is perfect. Media playback is extremely weak on Android at present, however with the influx of phones in the next few months I expect things to improve significantly in the first half of the year.
psh, its called the lock screen for a reason
I think it can be improved, although I would have used it Hero as my mp3 player if it wasn't for the absolutely gorgeous interface of the Zune HD. I wouldn't however, have got an iPod touch to replace the Hero as the difference isn't big enough (ie, ZuneHD difference is massive)
Wow dude, did you use enough superlatives there? I am coming from an iPhone, and I didn't skip a beat when it came to my music (and I used the phone for listening to music for at least 4-5 hours a day). My experience actually improved - now all I need to do is plug the phone in and copy the files over, no need for let-me-hold-your-hand sync. With the Droid, I can actually download some music off Amazon at work or rip a CD I picked up on the way and drop it right onto the phone; with the iPhone, I would need to put it on a flash drive, wait until I get home, copy it over to my home computer, add it to the playlist, and only then I can finally sync. Oh, and sync itself takes 5-10 minutes. Now tell me which platform has more convenient media management
Also, good luck listening to Pandora or Last.fm while browsing the Web, iPhone boy
That's nice, however it has nothing whatsoever to do with the shortcomings of the device. Have I or anyone else mentioned sync as a problem? Why no, I don't believe we have, you appear to be defending it rather vociferously considering it hasn't actually been criticised.
What I DID criticise is the poor media players with specific examples of failings (lock screen integration and multi disc album support), you conveniently seemed to ignore that part as both are true.
Try listening to a properly tagged audio book on the Milestone and see how happy you are when it starts at the first track of the first disc then skips to the first track of the second disc. Or Delicate Sound of Thunder, it's INCREDIBLY annoying when a Pink Floyd live album jumps from disc to disc instead of songs seamlessly segueing into one another. Starting to understand the problem now?
I've tried three media players so far and none of them understand the ID3 TPOS frame, it's a pretty key thing to ignore.
Yeah, which part of the words "Motorola Milestone" did you not understand?
exactly how I see it too.