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  1. dmiller2007

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    Most people paying that much for a phone want it to work from day 1. And not have to wait for an update. Why is it so hard to believe Verizon is trying to make sure the majority of their customers are happy as opposed to a select few? And of course Verizon is losing money by waiting. They missed the biggest shopping weekend of the year already.

    And to the thought that Verizon doesn't want people exchanging their phones so they're waiting until that period closes. Really? Guess that's why Verizon chose to extend the return period to January 15 huh?
     

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  2. Jay3

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    It's easier to keep a release date (Apple) when the phone is not 4G, you've never had a 4G phone, haven't figured out how to adjust the battery life to the 4G hog, and change very little about the phone.

    The amazing trick is how Apple got everybody to think of the 4S as a "launch."
     
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    Does that include the people who bought on 11.11.11? I had thought the extended return did not kick in until a bit later but I could be mistaken...
     
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    I'm not sure what date they started it. But it's irrelevant. They wouldn't have done it at all if they were that concerned over losing money from it.
     
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    Respectfully, I disagree, nearly every retailer has an extended return period this time of year. I think sometimes companies simply bow to public expectation.
     
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    This view makes me laugh. A lot of networks didn't stock the iPhone on launch because they hadn't tested it in their network, and weren't satisfied it worked properly with their equipment. Only some big networks were given the phone early to run their tests. So who's fault was that? apple's or the network's?

    Your assertion that apple 'pushed' through their phone on the networks is totally false. People I use to work with are now at several of the large UK networks, and let me assure you, apple didn't push through anything. The networks ran their network/handset tests and only THEN released the iphone.

    Here you have a similar situation. Verizon for whatever reason aren't happy to release it on their network yet. At the end of the day, if they release it, and it doesn't work, who's going to pick up the pieces? Google, samsung or verizon? Who's your contract with again? Verizon would be liable for you not getting satisfactory service.

    It doesn't matter how big apple, google, samsung or anyone else get, the networks will NEVER release a phone on their network until they're satisfied it will work properly. All that happens is that they quantify the cost of releasing with the problems identified and calculate if its worthwhile them releasing. In Verizon's case they have no real reason to release it prematurely. If you're on cdma you have very little other choice. Even if you're prepared to go to another network, no one else has it either!
     
  7. IOWA

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    Lol also ridiculously untrue. Have you ever been to MacRumors?
     
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    Yes, Its true that verizon hasnt announce a release date but you can see by LEAKS that Verizon is very indecisive in releasing this phone...
    Not good for bog corporate company..
     
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    Who said the "leaks" were even legit? It would take me all of 20 minutes to design a flyer stamp the VZ logo on it and call it a "leak" to generate page views. Use some common sense here.
     
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    Who said leaks are not legit? Its a both way street.. You got coporate stores getting the phones..
     
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    And..? What do you think they ship the phones across the 50 states magically on release day?

    Either way theres no way to prove if they are legit or not. Either way, if it was a "legit" leak, its just that a leak. Businesses change their minds all the time about a variety of things. If any of you have ever run a business or was in management you'd know that. Instead youre crying on androidforums about how "unfair" verizon is being by not honoring something they never even promised in the first place. Come on already.
     
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    What about this year? iPhone was released 3 months off schedule and was pretty much the same phone that they introduced the year before? While some suckers, my immediate family included, drooled over Siri, I was expecting redesigned iphone5 with 4g coverage. I don't know how that wasn't an epic fail.
     
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    Who cares for the reason. The problem is VZW offers crappy phones. They should have never bypassed the SGS2, PERIOD!!! It was the best phone available at the time. It is still better than the Cryonic, Gayzer, Rezound. It would have been out for 2 months already and sales would be great. Unfortunately, the more the delay on this phone the closer it gets to a better phone that can manage the HD screen. Something with the OMAP4470 or better.

    My gut is still telling me the OMAP 4460 cannot handle the HD display.
     
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    No it is not. Assertions require evidence. You can not make a claim and then challenge others to prove it is wrong, reality does not work that way. A claim must be proven right by the one making the claim.
     
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    Not completely true. Apple is vertically integrated all the way to the Carrier. That's why you heard reports of Apple starting their own network. Apple has clout and pushes hard in negotiations (see iTunes and iPhone pricing), while Google likes to make friends and is very lax in many negotiations (see Google Music and release dates).

    So while Apple is vertically integrated, it comes down to carriers for both of them. Google only is involved with one Nexus device a year and doesn't have the negotiation ability of a company like Apple with insane sales volume. They bought Motorola Mobility for this purpose, a large number of devices, and probably vanilla Android on all of them = negotiation ability.
     
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    Huh? Isn't it the same HD display and 4460 that's in the GSM model?
     
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    Hate to admit it, but Verizon is doing a great job by keeping everyone in the dark. LOL! Their network, their call (no pun intended). :D
     
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    Yes, leaks and pushed back release dates are the norm for this industry, regardless of the company.

    However, Google should've NEVER held the event officially announcing the phone until they were ready to announce a release release date; specifically, a release date in the all so important US market.

    It appears they rushed to hold that event right after the 4S event in an attempt to steal Apple's thunder...and it could've worked (especially with the initial luke warm reception to the 4S) but it backfired because they weren't ready and here we are 2 months later and it hasn't been launched in the US. SMH

    If you can't admit that they dropped the ball on this launch and Apple did a much better job launching the iPhone 4S, then you are the same level of sheep as the iStans you despise so much.
     
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    Very well stated!
     
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    I think maybe what daelite20 was saying was that Verizon made the decision to ship the phones from warehouses to stores so they had to be pretty confident that everything was working pretty well. I could be wrong but I can't see them shipping the phones to stores until they are confortable with everything hardware/software related, so basically a lot of people are assuming the phone is ready.

    I do agree with you though - we shouldn't be getting excited without anything official from Verizon. Just hard not to get frustrated when Europe, Austrilia, Canada, South Africa, etc. have all either released the GN or have at least announced a specific date. And even though Verizon has said by the end of the year, with their track record I wouldn't be surprised if that's gets pushed to 2012 or even cancelled with one final "does not meet Verizon's high standards for quality" BS.
     
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    It would be very difficult and prohibitively expensive for Verizon to cancel the launch entirely, or drop support for the GN on their network - that would surprise me. Pushing back the official release date to next year is far more likely, though still unexpected I think.

    The thing is, 'Google' the company isn't associated with the Nexus in the same way 'Apple' the company is associated with the iPhone - not contractually, not in terms of manufacturing or marketing, and absolutely not in terms of consumer perception. That may be disappointing for us Android enthusiasts, and we might think that approach is ultimately a mistake, but it's certainly all part of the The Great Google Plan (tm).

    The Nexus line is much closer to Google than any of the other Android phones, and whatever the reason, this particular launch is a pretty clear examples of how not to introduce new hardware (or ICS), but I still don't think it's entirely accurate or fair to try and argue 'the GN launch should be more like how Apple launches a new iPhone.'

    If I can step back for a moment - what I think is frustrating to many of us about Google's approach to Android is how non-confrontational it is. We want it to kick ass and take names. We want clear, precise marketing that shows how superior it is to iOS in many ways. I want my mom to know what Android is - and I want Google to be the one to tell her. But that's clearly not the strategy at the moment...

    That's sort of a whole other discussion, however.

    -HD
     
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    I disagree with this, Google announced this phone and never specifically stated a US carrier, all they stated was that there were two versions coming, an LTE version and HSPA+ version. Verizon isn't the only carrier to use LTE. Everyone assumed it was coming to Verizon and all the leaks have been from Verizon and resellers.

    In the grand scheme of things the US is the small fry when it comes to phones, Europe generally gets phones first. Same thing with this release.

    This phone was already released already in other parts of the world, unfortunately not everything revolves around us here in the US.

    If anyone has dropped the ball it is Verizon, they could have released the phone already if they wanted to.
     
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    It would totally suck for us and it would make Verizon look pretty bad, but the reason I suggest it - and this has been mentioned in the pre-release thread and in a lot of tech articles - is that the "delay" may be due to legal issues with Google Wallet. Verizon might determine that dropping the GN completely is less costly than selling it without Google Wallet and losing a ton in lawsuits if a judge rules they are essentially blocking that app and being anti-competitive. All they would have to say is that after extensive testing they found that the phone does not meet their high standards ... blah blah blah.
     
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    I am waiting for this phone, if it comes next year then I will wait until then.

    I really wanted (still woud like to have) the Galaxy S2, but Verizon passed on it. I would take the Nexus over the S2 if given a choice on any carrier.

    My Contract is up in exactly 2 months. I would assume the Nexus will be out by then with Verizon, if not and another carrier does, maybe Sprint (who I swore I would never go back to) might end up with my business (one reason I stay with Verizon is because I have a grandfathered unlimited plan...minutes, text, data).
     
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    That's exactly my point: they shouldn't have held the event until they were ready to announce it was VZW. We didn't "assume" it would be VZW, we read the tea leaves, it just that the details weren't complete so neither company would confirm. Which is fine; keep us waiting but, from a marketing/business perspective they shouldn't have held the event until they were ready to launch. And to call the US a "small fry" is completely disingenuous....the US is a MAJOR market for electronics in general and Android in particular.

    Regardless, it took a month for the phone to be released elsewhere on the globe.

    Attempting to absolve Google of all responsibilty and laying it at the feet of Verizon just reeks of fanboyism. Within days of Apple's event, VZW customers were preordering and they had their 4S's in hand within weeks....that's able to happen because Apple took care of business; crossed the t's and dotted the i's BEFORE officialy announcing the phone to the world.

    It appears Google rushed things before all of its agreements were in place, and as a result the launch was bungled.
     
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