As fa ras I've read around, Apple will probably debut it Oct. 4th. From there it will go on sale soon after. The talk has been that Apple has blacked out the first two weeks of October for retail employees. There was also word of a leaked Sprint memo that also blacks out vacation time from 9/30 to 10/15 due to the possibility of a major phone launch. When I talked with a couple Sprint employees the other day, while non committal, anytime I steered the conversation towards iPhone. All my questions were "not" answered with nod and a wink. I do like my Evo. It has served me well. But for the purpose of integration, I will more than likely be switching over to Sprint's iPhone offering once it becomes available since we recently left Windows based PC's for Apple's OSX.