I tried to reply and register but it says im a spammer. Anyway thanks and ill keep on them "friendly but firm" like you said. Its just annoying to deal with these people like they have no idea what im saying to them. Either it will pass the water submersible test or it wont. If it cant get wet thats fine but I just feel like they misled me. Battery life and a scratchproof screen also seem to be issues. The last one I sent back would go dead overnight after a full charge and although this one seems to last through the night the battery is dead within a few hours of the GPS being used. It has just enough power to get you out totally lost then goes dead. What good is a GPS if it goes dead in 5 hours. I live off the grid with limited recharging and need a truly legitimate tough phone with my lifestyle. Maybe there is a better choice. Any suggestions? I do enjoy having internet out here for times I need it so I'd like to stay android.