I like Arizona's border patrol

[Crude]

OR a better title...."why we need to control our borders"

Arrest made in fatal 2008 Des Moines hit-and-run | Des Moines Register Staff Blogs

 

[lordofthereef]

I fail to see how this shows why we need to control borders better, unless this was sarcasm?

 

[vailpass]

I fail to see how this shows why we need to control borders better, unless this was sarcasm?

Maybe so illegals can't come here, commit felonies, then flee back across our broken borders never to be prosecuted?

 

[lordofthereef]

Maybe so illegals can't come here, commit felonies, then flee back across our broken borders never to be prosecuted?

A US citizen could do the same thing pretty easily. FWIW, that is what extradition treaties are for.

 

[Dark Jedi]

A US citizen could do the same thing pretty easily. FWIW, that is what extradition treaties are for.

How many people wants to sneak in to Mexico? Pretty lawless county that would rather cut your throat instead of sending you back and That's the cops too lol.

 

[noah way]

How many people wants to sneak in to Mexico? Pretty lawless county that would rather cut your throat instead of sending you back and That's the cops too lol.

American crime in Mexico is on a different scale: think NAFTA, illegal arms sales, drug running, etc.

 

[Dark Jedi]

American crime in Mexico is on a different scale: think NAFTA, illegal arms sales, drug running, etc.

But those people are connected with the right people in mexico.

 

[lordofthereef]

How many people wants to sneak in to Mexico? Pretty lawless county that would rather cut your throat instead of sending you back and That's the cops too lol.

Well, this isn't only limited to Mexico though, in terms of the law.

My point, from the beginning, was that just because an illegal immigrant comitted a felony hit and run, stopping 100% of all illegal immigrants entering the states isn't going to stop all felony hit and runs (and I bet it statistically wouldn't even make a dent).

There are plenty of what-ifs here as well. The person made a terrible choice, but would he have run if he was granted legal citizenship? I am sure the risk of deportation played on his mind when he made that poor choice (not justifying, just musing).

 

[Dark Jedi]

Well, this isn't only limited to Mexico though, in terms of the law.

My point, from the beginning, was that just because an illegal immigrant comitted a felony hit and run, stopping 100% of all illegal immigrants entering the states isn't going to stop all felony hit and runs (and I bet it statistically wouldn't even make a dent).

There are plenty of what-ifs here as well. The person made a terrible choice, but would he have run if he was granted legal citizenship? I am sure the risk of deportation played on his mind when he made that poor choice (not justifying, just musing).

I think the point he was trying to make was if this guy made it back to Mexico. He would of dissapeared and never seen again. Where as living here kinda hard to elude capture. Not saying no one hasn't but sooner or later most are captured.

 

[vailpass]

American crime in Mexico is on a different scale: think NAFTA, illegal arms sales, drug running, etc.

NAFTA? What American crime does that spawn?
Americans running drugs in Mexico? Yeah, that's a problem.

Penalties for Americans carrying weapons or even a bullet in Mexico are extremely harsh.
Illegal arms sales to mexicans happens on the US side. Here in Arizona we have a very large number of gun stores; there are regular reports of weapons seized from mexican gang wars and traced back here.
There was even a US government sting operation where the Feds ordered a local gun store to sell to know cartel members so they could trace the weapon and movement. When those same weapons were used in a mass slaying the gun shop owner came out saying how bad he felt.

 

[vailpass]

A US citizen could do the same thing pretty easily. FWIW, that is what extradition treaties are for.

A mexican can dissapear in Mexico. A gringo, not so much. Otherwise our jails would be empty.

 

[noah way]

NAFTA? What American crime does that spawn?
Americans running drugs in Mexico? Yeah, that's a problem.

The drug rings are just Mexican, they're 'Merican, too.

NAFTA made it possible for ADM to sell (dump overproduced, government subsidized) corn in Mexico for 20% less than it cost Mexican farmers to grow it. Destitute Mexican subsistence farmers, without jobs, flood US looking for work. Applies to other industries as well, and in reverse (American jobs exported to Mexico to reduce labor cost and avoid taxes, unions, and environmental requirements).

 

[ElasticNinja]

Free trade has huge benifits too... look at the US
The issue is that one participant in that NAFTA is a third world thing - but the fact they signed up shows they feel its beneficial