I think I figured out the Politics/Climate Change paradox.

you forgot 2 things....

to play the race card

and to blame bush

 

.. but otherwise, there could be something in what you say

Personally, I think the way religion plays here is more to do with personality type: people who are religious choose to live their lives (or at least try / claim to) according to a set of beliefs that they are essentially not allowed to challenge. They take someone else's word - be it their minister or whatever religious scribe wrote their particular religious text of choice - about what is right rather than look at evidence and make up their own mind.

And religion isn't always right about things that have nothing to do with religion: think the Catholic church and Copernicus. It took the church years to come around.

Religious people also tend to be drawn to certainty and consequently to people who offer certainty and who express strong beliefs. They're also conservative with a small 'c': very pro the status quo and very wary of change.

It's no real surprise, therefore that the religious people are prepared to take the word of anti-climate change people who express very strong beliefs that - though completely wrong - are rather convenient and pro the status quo.

It's also no surprise that religious people do not want to listen to what scientists have to say, particularly when it's very inconvenient, would mean quite a bit of change and is always expressed with equivocation. Scientist do not deal in certainty: they follow the evidence and know that further evidence can always change where they're headed.

 

or in this case they have an end point in mind and shape the evidence to lead to it

 

Just saw a story that the world just had the hottest April in history.

This keeps happening: undeniable evidence of climate change just keep coming up, time and time again.

Must really frustrating for climate change deniers

 

States are fighting new science curriculum teaching climate change and evolution | The Verge

SMH

 

here is a Paradox...

 

I see the old race card routine was brought into this...interesting.

 

I must be missing something: the only thing I see that's in any way related to race are your two mentions of the race card

:argh:

The morons are taking over - we're all doomed :afraid:

 

The author of a much-quoted 1975 Newsweek article predicting catastrophic global cooling now says it was a big mistake and the earth was warming all along.

I suppose that's all the proof I should need...

...jefboyardee, denier

 

Found that thought for sure it was relevant I always think of divide and conquer tactics and usually mainstream media isn't much of a help, personally I use mainstream media only for things they're willing to admit to

 

No thought police I am open for enlightenment from all views

 

I saw a headline somewhere this morning that apparently Climate Change is now more devise than abortion and gun control in the US.

:shot:

While abortion and gun control are essentially moral and political questions where opinion is valid, climate change is a question of fact: how can that be contentious? Opinions about facts are irrelevant: it doesn't matter that someone's opinion is that the earth is flat and the sun rotates around it, they're simply wrong. Likewise with climate change.

 

actually if you take your personal opinion out of it youll find that the entire climate change debate is opinion

 

Tie everything all you guys have said so far , climate, gun control,
& you got

Agenda 21 For Dummies: https://youtu.be/TzEEgtOFFlM

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agenda_21

America's Kids Belong To Communities, Not Parents

 

.. my opinion is already out of it: I'm talking of the scientific consensus, backed by decades of data collection and research.

Climate change denial really is on a par with believing in the paranormal and alien abductions: there's an almost infinitisimally small chance there's something in them, but there is no evidence for the wild claims and oceans (literal and figurative in the case of climate change) of evidence against.

FTFY

Not entirely sure I understand what point Kritter888 is making about Agenda 21. It certainly has many laudable aims around conserving the enviroment, assisting development and combating things like racism, sexism and child exploitation. In other words, a very fine thing .. that sadly has zero chance of making any difference anywhere - largely, I guess because of devisive politics.

The problem, of course is that any such agenda would inevitably require the very rich and powerful minority to make (tiny) sacrifices for the good of the very poor and powerless majority - and we all know that's never going to happen in the political climate that has developed over the last 30 years.

 

The scandal of fiddled global warming data

The US has actually been cooling since the Thirties, the hottest decade on record

When future generations try to understand how the world got carried away around the end of the 20th century by the panic over global warming, few things will amaze them more than the part played in stoking up the scare by the fiddling of official temperature data. There was already much evidence of this seven years ago, when I was writing my history of the scare, The Real Global Warming Disaster. But now another damning example has been uncovered by Steven Goddard

 

The Torygraph is unfortuantely, a slightly better spoken British version of Fox News, i.e. a loony right wing rag that has been pushing anti-scientific, biased nonsense written by totally unqualified 'journalists' for years.

For example, consider this statement:

This is completely false: in the US, the last decade has been significantly hotter than the 1930s.

Even if it were true, unless the US had somehow migrated to a different planet, it would be totally irrelevant. What is relevant is that globally, 13 of 14 warmest years EVER RECORDED occurred in 21st century.

Yes: since 2000 only one year has failed to be among the hottest.

This year is shaping up to be another record breaker: while the US was freezing, on average across the world, this April was the hottest ever recorded.

I guess the question is, do you want to make decisions that affect the future of humanity based on the ranting of someone who refuses to believe anything that doesn't confirm his biases or do you want to base them on what massive volumes of actual evidence clearly and unequivocally demonstate?

 

Given your choice between two unproven opinions, I'll take the former, partly because I'm tired of of having the latter crammed down my throat.

 

Just as well one of the options is proven

 

and just as quickly disproven

 

By ten thousand trenchmen that can't be wrong.

 

'Quickly disproven'? Strange interpretation of 'never disproven'

The problem with this discussion is that one side (the scientific concensus) talk facts while the other side (the deniers) talk fantasy - really: they might as well claim the evidence was magiced up by pixies and fairies, it would make more sense.

 

always cracked me up the "scientific consensus" there are thousands of scientists with evidence to the contrary.... they just cannot get published due to the WELL ACKNOWLEDGED concerted effort of the alarmists to prevent them from being heard

silencing the opposite opinion does not make yours correct

every so called "fact" has been completely been debunked not once not twice but time and time again with empirical evidence.... but the low information alarmist sheeple refuse to accept that theyre being handed a bunch of lies

see above postings where one alarmist, rather than try to dispute the facts of an article, has to resort to ad hominem attacks as a defense....... which is kind of funny since all of the facts of that article come directly from GISS and NOAA... the low information alarmists simply cannot understand data.... instead they must be spoon fed their information and told what to believe

if you refuse to allow yourself to comprehend basic information you will always live inside a twisted world of alarmism....... as for the sane... allow us to live in reality please