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  1. rezeew

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    Maybe this is just paranoia since i've been a Verizon customer for a long time and have waited for 2 major OS upgrades for my Dinc.

    But follow me here:

    Verizon is allegedly sitting on this phone for "testing"

    I'm not entirely sure how updates for Nexus phones works since i've never had one. But if the carrier pushes out OTA updates similar to how it works with other phones, what's to say VZW won't sit on updates too?

    Most of the appeal of this phone to me is the idea that skinless Android means faster .updates. If that's not going to be the case, this is just another phone to me.
     

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    Because most of the wait comes from the manufacturers putting their skins on the phones
     
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    this is the NEXUS line there is no skins or UI on top of stock android and plus google is always pushing their updates straight to nexus first
     
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    No, it's been proven it's the carriers who hold updates the longest, not manufacturers. Perfect example, the galaxy s phones. See how Europe gets quick updates for the phones but US does not? Also, see how certain carriers in the US get those updates quicker than others? It's the carriers who drag their feet in the end. I'm not saying manufacturers don't as well, but I fear Verizon can screw this nexus up! That could be why we may see "prime "be in the name!
     
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    How do you figure that calling it the "Nexus Prime" rather than "Galaxy Nexus" would differentiate it from history of previous Nexus phones?
     
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    Well, in my opinion, nothing about this release will surprise me anymore. When it was referred to "their phone " by Samsung, I grew very cautious. Of course, they were referring to the nexus on Verizon. So if another name change was to happen, then Droid prime wouldn't surprise me. Even if it didn't, this release has put me into caution mode. I strongly believe if Verizon can cause this delay, then they're going to be able to delay updates. As we already know, Verizon has repeatedly said they can and will dictate what happens on their network. Not only do they say it, but our government backs them. Look how they are allowed to charge more for apps in the Android market over other carriers.

    This is just my opinions, cautions, and judgements on Verizon's business practices. Not something you have to believe in or something I say you should.
     
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    ^This. It is my understanding Verizon won't be involved in updates - they will come straight from Google. Part of the draw to this phone, at least for me. :)
     
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    This is true, with Nexus devices the carrier has no control over the update. All OTA's come direct from Google.
     
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    Verizon is holding up the hardware release of the phone. The physical phones are not arriving in peoples' pockets. They do not control the software updates that get pushed after the fact.
     
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    I hope you are right. Verizon's two apps on there worry me a little, especially if we find they are system apps. Verizon is going to demand their people get some input to make sure those two apps are running correctly with any update.
     
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    Remember folks the verizon version will have a few bloatware apps on it. This may be an issue, when it come to updates
     
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    Eh, I think the Thunderbolt, Incredible and a couple others have shown this is not the case.

    I know there's no added UI. I'm talking about just OS updates. Do they come right from google? Or does google hand them to Verizon? (and then Verizon spends four months updating the goddamned My Verizon app) I've never seen documentation on this. Just everyone goes "it's a nexus!" and that's that. Well, a nexus has never been from VZW and it's never had carrier apps shoehorned into it, right? So is this going to be different? That's all I'm asking. And I don't think you can definitively say no unless there are some docs somewhere.

    My understanding too. But are we sure? Are there supporting documents? That's all I'm asking.
     
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    Perhaps Googles original intent, but now that some bloat is aboard, VZW now is part of the update chain.
     
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    I'm no expert in the updating process, but, since the bloat is code and Google makes the system the code is on, couldn't they push an update that does away with those apps? Everyone says they are system apps and without them you can't update it. But, Google could just push a new system.

    Don't flame me, it's just my two cents.
     
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    I have this same concern myself. I wonder if those 2 VZ apps are enough to enable VZ to prevent Nexus users from downloading the software updates directly from Google.

    Regardless of what history previous Nexus devices have with other carriers, I agree with those here who say the history is not as relevant as what the actual agreement is between VZ and Google on this point. I want to see something in writing from VZ and/or Google that confirms that VZ can do nothing to delay software updates directly from Google to the Nexus.
     
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    wow. you guys got me all worried now. ugh
     
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    Should the device become available in an hour for pre-orders, will any of you not place your pre-order right then and there because of the conversation that is taking place here?
     
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    Since the snakes at Verizon somehow managed to shoehorn their crapola into the "Google Experience" almighty Nexus line, I wouldn't put it past them to put a clamp on updates.

    Maybe, just maybe the updates will come without too much interference from Vzw. But Vzw has said time and time again, they want the "best" experience for their customers.

    And what this has meant in the past is that nothing gets to the end user unless the dicks at Verizon say so.
     
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    Having two apps does not affect the software update process. You will likely have 20+ apps installed when Google pushes updates.

    Verizon is likely delaying the phone because there are bugs in the software/hardware that need to be worked out. They don't want to release a phone and worry about returns and customer complaints.
     
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    And yet, without knowing the agreement with Google, history is actually the most relevant thing we have to go on here. So without any actual evidence to the contrary, fretting over this is silly and irrelevant. None of us know. None of the Nexus S users knew. We only have one thing to go on - the fact that, historically, Google has been adamant about this being a bleeding edge line of phones, and has insisted on pushing updates directly as soon as they are available.

    You will never see anything in writing. It's time to get over it. We have every reason to believe updates will come directly from Google (since history shows that) and nothing but hysterical speculation to indicate anything to the contrary.
     
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    well, part of me has wondering, now that verizon put those 2 bloatware apps on the gnex, will that give them justification for holding back any future updates? i wont put it past them..google should've just put the nexus out as a motorolla..then verizon would treat it like GOLD
     
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    Trust me, there will be no issues with updates just because it's on Verizon. I think people are just trying to stir the pot. It's a Nexus phone. That's that.
     
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    The updates will NOT come directly from Google on the Galaxy Nexus on Verizon until Verizon has qualified the update. It does not matter if it has no GUI or a Nexus name on it, Verizon is the one who sells the device and has to support it. This is the US not EU, our carriers are control freaks.

    Verizon will qualify the updates and then approve them, if you think they are going to support customers calling them and coming into their store for updates they don't even know about you're nuts.

    I also believe its the first Nexus to have a carrier logo on it.
     
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    Verizon will definitely be in control of any OTA update to any of their phones. To the person who won't customize their phone, they will wait patiently for Verizon to push an update. To those of us who will unlock/root/mod the phone - we should be able to acquire the updates ahead of time and put them on ourselves.
     
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    Verizon will likely approve the updates before the rooting community comes up with a stable ROM.

    It is a Nexus phone. All Verizon has to do is test the update for quality control before it is released. If Google has made it bug free, there is no reason to not push the OS.

    Other phones have major delays because they have to be skinned by the manufacturers then approved by Verizon. It is a much more complicated process and it increases the number of areas where delays can occur.
     
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