Incredible 2 gets Gingerbread before TB? WOW

[WBMc36]

I, like worm don't understand this policy in your workplace. I get the company probably pays for the phone and has certain rules etc, but rules don't have to be broken. They can be changed. I would talk to the head of IT see why the rule was put in place, any concerns he/she may have I would seriously consider sending them here for one of the super experienced users to answer their questions and explain to them the only "harm" that can be done from rooting is you lose the warranty. Which isn't a big deal because if you screw it up which is very unlikely then you will have to pay for the replacement i assume, it is not on the company. Not a big deal. I am sure there are others in your workplace that have rooted or would like to root their phones. What ever happened to "it's your phone, do what you want with it"?

 

[Yeahha]

I have no way to root this phone. I went with Android from BlackBerry specifically for that reason. BlackBerry required a computer for too many things. They just recently starting offering OTA updates. With my Curve I needed to find a computer to update the OS, and even on my Tour I needed to find a computer to make or restore a backup.

I want a smartphone that doesn't require a computer. I like Android because I can sync and backup on the device itself.

I am not in a hurry for Gingerbread though. That will come when it comes. I was.getting anxious for a fix to the reboot issue though, because it was draining my battery. That is unacceptable.

Yeah it seem like with every new version of Android the more a computer is needed to do certian things i.e. root... Back when I got my original droid all I needed to do to root was press 1 button, to root the TB you have to install the SDK. The problem is to get root access on the phone you must exploit a security issue and google wants to be able to say their system is secure. It is my personal belief that a rooted phone is more secure than a non-rooted phone just for the fact if an app is trying to get root access on a rooted phone you will be notified, not so with a non-rooted phone. The only thing GB brings to the table that is not available on a stock is the DRM needed to get netflix running. There may be some enterprise improvements for corporate email but I use touchdown as my company feels the only smart phone that is secure enough to access our OWA servers are made by fruit company.

The eye candy people see on other HTC phones with GB won't hit the TB as it will be stuck with sense 2.1 and not get an upgrade to 3.0. I really doubt this phone will receive an official ice cream sandwich update from HTC, I would love for it to but I would place my bets against it.

 

[brizey]

I, like worm don't understand this policy in your workplace. I get the company probably pays for the phone and has certain rules etc, but rules don't have to be broken. They can be changed. I would talk to the head of IT see why the rule was put in place, any concerns he/she may have I would seriously consider sending them here for one of the super experienced users to answer their questions and explain to them the only "harm" that can be done from rooting is you lose the warranty. Which isn't a big deal because if you screw it up which is very unlikely then you will have to pay for the replacement i assume, it is not on the company. Not a big deal. I am sure there are others in your workplace that have rooted or would like to root their phones. What ever happened to "it's your phone, do what you want with it"?

Even asking the IT department people this question costs the company money. If they spend one minute screwing around with a rooted phone that serves no business purpose they are wasting company money. If the IT people spend company time here they are wasting money. Company phones are not toys. It is NOT your phone--its the company's. It was never your phone, so nothing ever happened to that.

When I was a general manager of a company that had 30-40 employee phones, I would have considered terminating an employee that missed a call do to a phone malfunction caused by unauthorized tampering with the phone.

 

[WBMc36]

The fact of the matter is, you are making the device better. He is more likely, actually way more likely to have his phone working properly with a ROM installed off the internet than the crap that htc put on the phone to begin with. That is the point. You want the phone to work, for your job. Currently it sounds like he has a plethora of the issues everyone else is having, and needs something stable like a CM7 or MIUI.

 

[Yeahha]

The fact of the matter is, you are making the device better. He is more likely, actually way more likely to have his phone working properly with a ROM installed off the internet than the crap that htc put on the phone to begin with. That is the point. You want the phone to work, for your job. Currently it sounds like he has a plethora of the issues everyone else is having, and needs something stable like a CM7 or MIUI.

Regardless if it is making the device better, the company phone is company property and if you have one you can't just alter it because you want to. If you work at a desk on a computer can you decide you want to install Ubuntu on it instead of windows? No. If you have a company laptop can you decide to install minecraft on it? No. If you drive a company truck can you decide to paint it hot pink? No. Just because the place you work for gives you something to use for your job doesn't mean you are allowed to do what you want with it, if you are still having trouble seeing this with tangible property then if you are a bookkeeper and you have to make a deposit for your company, you may take $50,000 from the safe and put it in your car and drive to the bank to deposit it. While you do have the money in your possession if you decide I've got $50,000 lets go buy some things you will get fired at least. If someone has a company phone and they root it would be grounds for dismissal

 

[WormDoes]

I have no way to root this phone. I went with Android from BlackBerry specifically for that reason. BlackBerry required a computer for too many things. They just recently starting offering OTA updates. With my Curve I needed to find a computer to update the OS, and even on my Tour I needed to find a computer to make or restore a backup.

I want a smartphone that doesn't require a computer. I like Android because I can sync and backup on the device itself.

I am not in a hurry for Gingerbread though. That will come when it comes. I was.getting anxious for a fix to the reboot issue though, because it was draining my battery. That is unacceptable.

Even if I did have access to a computer to root, which I don't, I don't have the money to replace my device if I brick it. I don't have the time to play with software to fix bugs that shouldn't be my problem to fix. I have enough stress without dealing with a bricked phone, which I use for all my computer needs, bill pay, appointments, budgets, etc. As well, it is the ONLY phone in my household now between my husband and me. I simply cannot afford to mess with this phone software, nor shoulr I have to.

I don't buy a new car.expecting to have to learn to be a mechanic, buy tools and spend time fixing it. Major bugs are not acceptable. I expect glitches, but not bugs that interfere with the basic use.of the.device. The reboots drained the battery, caused disruption of phone calls, made GPS Navigation useless. Some of you expect too little, and make excuses for poor products.

Not trying to start a pissing contest all over again, but technically you can root your phone. It's just too much of a hassle for you to find a PC and screw around with it. That's the only point I was trying to make. Most TB owners who bought their phone themselves (not paid for by your company) have to option to root

 

[ILoveMyDroid]

I will rephrase, rooting isn't an option for everyone who hopes to solve problems more than create them by flashing buggy ROM's. This is only coming from personal experience here.

 

[SeekerOfTheWay]

I guess I could make a friend that has a computer I can use locally. I didnt know that buying a thunderbolt required me to have friends with computers.

The library has computers but you cannot root with them. My parents have a PC that barely handles the Internet.

I have no way to root, and would not take the risk of bricking.

 

[WormDoes]

I will rephrase, rooting isn't an option for everyone who hopes to solve problems more than create them by flashing buggy ROM's. This is only coming from personal experience here.

LOL dude, not every ROM is buggy. The one's packed with elements that aren't supposed to work on the TB to begin with are buggy. As I said there are plenty of stable froyo ROMs and once HTC release a final GB radio the GB ROMs will be just as stable.

 

[WormDoes]

I guess I could make a friend that has a computer I can use locally. I didnt know that buying a thunderbolt required me to have friends with computers.

The library has computers but you cannot root with them. My parents have a PC that barely handles the Internet.

I have no way to root, and would not take the risk of bricking.

Like I said not starting a argument, but when I posted what I said last night I didn't take into account people like yourself who don't have access to a computer

 

[mdeblaz]

A) you can't root a company phone for the same reason Verizon doesn't want you too. The IT department is not trained to support different ROMs, etc. etc. etc. If you screw something up, you cost the company money. And don't argue that rooting is nearly fool proof

B) most ROMs that are available are in fact buggy, that's why they're constantly being updated. Except for a select few, this is just fact for every ROM for every phone. I rooted my Eris, and used the xtrSense Rom... it was great, not that buggy, if at all - and because it was so stable, the updates were few and far between... which means you can actually use your phone for long periods of time without having to reflash it. I don't see something like that yet for the TB. That's why I haven't rooted.

 

[WBMc36]

A) you can't root a company phone for the same reason Verizon doesn't want you too. The IT department is not trained to support different ROMs, etc. etc. etc. If you screw something up, you cost the company money. And don't argue that rooting is nearly fool proof

B) most ROMs that are available are in fact buggy, that's why they're constantly being updated. Except for a select few, this is just fact for every ROM for every phone. I rooted my Eris, and used the xtrSense Rom... it was great, not that buggy, if at all - and because it was so stable, the updates were few and far between... which means you can actually use your phone for long periods of time without having to reflash it. I don't see something like that yet for the TB. That's why I haven't rooted.

If you find most roms to be buggy then you haven't found the good ones yet. CM7 is a rom that is far from buggy, and with the most recent update nothing is wrong with it. It is stable on almost every major android phone and i have never had anything but great experiences with it on the TB and incredible. The thing is, you wouldn't be wasting the companies money if you needed help with it, you would obviously come here on your own time and not call your companies IT department. I'm sorry but some of you are thinking too inside the box. Rooting is nearly fool proof. There is one step you could possibly brick your phone on but if you follow directions even a little bit it won't happen. And unrooting is as easy as rooting, so your company would never know when you sent it back to them or got an upgrade. Just because you are not supposed to, doesn't mean you can't.

 

[brizey]

If you find most roms to be buggy then you haven't found the good ones yet. CM7 is a rom that is far from buggy, and with the most recent update nothing is wrong with it. It is stable on almost every major android phone and i have never had anything but great experiences with it on the TB and incredible. The thing is, you wouldn't be wasting the companies money if you needed help with it, you would obviously come here on your own time and not call your companies IT department. I'm sorry but some of you are thinking too inside the box. Rooting is nearly fool proof. There is one step you could possibly brick your phone on but if you follow directions even a little bit it won't happen. And unrooting is as easy as rooting, so your company would never know when you sent it back to them or got an upgrade. Just because you are not supposed to, doesn't mean you can't.

It also doesn't mean you should. This is not a practical matter, it is an ethical one. You are altering someone else's property. How would you feel if you loaned someone your car, then they returned it painted a different color, then repainted back to the original color? Once again, if you were my employee and I caught you, you'd be gone. If you were willing to do this with my company's property, I simply could not trust you to behave ethically with customers or other employees.

 

[McLabia]

If you find most roms to be buggy then you haven't found the good ones yet. CM7 is a rom that is far from buggy, and with the most recent update nothing is wrong with it. It is stable on almost every major android phone and i have never had anything but great experiences with it on the TB and incredible. The thing is, you wouldn't be wasting the companies money if you needed help with it, you would obviously come here on your own time and not call your companies IT department. I'm sorry but some of you are thinking too inside the box. Rooting is nearly fool proof. There is one step you could possibly brick your phone on but if you follow directions even a little bit it won't happen. And unrooting is as easy as rooting, so your company would never know when you sent it back to them or got an upgrade. Just because you are not supposed to, doesn't mean you can't.

I agree with everying in this post except for one thing. Unrooting is WAY easier than rooting. Two files flashed and youre a go for warranty repairs.

It also doesn't mean you should. This is not a practical matter, it is an ethical one. You are altering someone else's property. How would you feel if you loaned someone your car, then they returned it painted a different color, then repainted back to the original color? Once again, if you were my employee and I caught you, you'd be gone. If you were willing to do this with my company's property, I simply could not trust you to behave ethically with customers or other employees.

Ethics? If someone painted my car a different color, they better ask me if I like it before painting it back to the same color. As long as you give it back in the shape you received it, wheres the harm? Your views on how things should be run is why youre an employee and not a boss. Talk about micro managing and going overboard. Jeeze.

 

[C.C.W.]

My wifes Droid X got Gingerbread via OTA 2 months ago.

 

[brizey]

I agree with everying in this post except for one thing. Unrooting is WAY easier than rooting. Two files flashed and youre a go for warranty repairs.




Ethics? If someone painted my car a different color, they better ask me if I like it before painting it back to the same color. As long as you give it back in the shape you received it, wheres the harm? Your views on how things should be run is why youre an employee and not a boss. Talk about micro managing and going overboard. Jeeze.

Lol, I AM a boss. I am a regional general manager of a banking equipment installation company. I have about 15 employees in the field with company cell phones. We install gps time tracking software on them. This is used to track their hours on the job, and is a preferred method by the texas DOL. They are explicitly forbidden to modify them in any way. And yes, I would have no problem firing one if he were to be caught. I cannot imagine a company that does not have serious repercussions for intentionally misusing company equipment after being explicitly told not to.

Anyway, nothing personal. And we are way off topic, lol. I guess this is an agree to disagree type of thing.

 

[McLabia]

Lol, I AM a boss. I am a regional general manager of a banking equipment installation company. I have about 15 employees in the field with company cell phones. We install gps time tracking software on them. This is used to track their hours on the job, and is a preferred method by the texas DOL. They are explicitly forbidden to modify them in any way. And yes, I would have no problem firing one if he were to be caught. I cannot imagine a company that does not have serious repercussions for intentionally misusing company equipment after being explicitly told not to.

Anyway, nothing personal. And we are way off topic, lol. I guess this is an agree to disagree type of thing.

^This is a different story all together and makes your reasoning completely valid. The worry would be in them basically changing their time cards and I get that, but like with rooting, this is a small amount of people that would have this issue.

 

[brizey]

^This is a different story all together and makes your reasoning completely valid. The worry would be in them basically changing their time cards and I get that, but like with rooting, this is a small amount of people that would have this issue.

Even without the particular situation, intentionally breaking a rule about company equipment is bad juju. (Last post on this, I promise!!!)

 

[N00B Moment]

Even if the phone is NOT a company device rooting is STILL not for everyone. Yeah my phone is my own but I choose not to root due to the fear of bricking it. I for one am not tech savy and do not trust myself to do such a thing to a phone that would cost me over 500 bucks to replace. You young guys (late teens and 20 somthings) may find the rooting crap really easy cause its what your used to, but it sure as hell aint easy for an old guy like me. Kinda like my work in a casino, I know my way around a crap table and know the game inside and out, but for most people that aint around it daily, its complicated as hell.

So just because YOU may find rooting easy, that doesnt mean it is a real option for everyone.

 

[McLabia]

Even if the phone is NOT a company device rooting is STILL not for everyone. Yeah my phone is my own but I choose not to root due to the fear of bricking it. I for one am not tech savy and do not trust myself to do such a thing to a phone that would cost me over 500 bucks to replace. You young guys (late teens and 20 somthings) may find the rooting crap really easy cause its what your used to, but it sure as hell aint easy for an old guy like me. Kinda like my work in a casino, I know my way around a crap table and know the game inside and out, but for most people that aint around it daily, its complicated as hell.

So just because YOU may find rooting easy, that doesnt mean it is a real option for everyone.

No kids of your own? Ask one of your nephews. While the process may not be for everyone better performance and a cleaner overall experience is.

 

[Mezmryz03]

Lots of people missing the point here I think. The fact that a "lesser"phone(albeit an awesome one) got GB officially first is a giant EffYew to the people who purchased the first Verizon flagship LTE device. That's it, and it's absolutely true. Being able to change that is why Android is great, but doesn't change the fact that in this case you really shouldn't have to do that.

 

[HTCThunderbolt]

Im just going to leave this here.....

[ROOT] MR1/OTA PermRoot + Unlock Bootloader - Safer/Easier 5/12/2011 - xda-developers

 

[dylo22]

It doesn't really bother me that the Inc2 is getting GB before we do. However, if the droid charge gets GB before we do, then I'll be a little pissed.

 

[robrecht]

Lots of people missing the point here I think. The fact that a "lesser"phone(albeit an awesome one) got GB officially first is a giant EffYew to the people who purchased the first Verizon flagship LTE device. That's it, and it's absolutely true. Being able to change that is why Android is great, but doesn't change the fact that in this case you really shouldn't have to do that.

Nonsense. The Dinc2 got GB sooner in part because it was released later. That, and being a much simpler device, meant that it wad almost able to have GB upon release, as will all later phones. Flagship has nothing to do with it really, unless you mean merely that the TB is still the most sophisticated device on Verizon's network, and that has functioned as a delay in getting GB. There is no EffYew here; companies don't think in those terms. But at some point I do expect Verizon and HTC to make a prudent business decision on when to scale back and eventually eliminate support for the TB, and that will be sooner than later.

 

[Kima]

The newer phone got the newer update first. Wow what don't I understand about that? Like we are suppose to know when htc updates it's phones in exact order. The incredible owners had high expectations in incredible 2 because the original incredible was a great phone. The thunderbolt has free 4g LTE and unlimited amounts of it for most users, that is quite a bit. You can wait a little longer for gingerbread can't you? Or does everything have to nw perfect all the time?