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  1. HadouGhost

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    As we all know about 1.8 gigs is reserved for apps on the phone. I, however, am used to installing apps and then moving them to SD card. I dont see that option here on the Droid 3. I see two options, Move to phone (which i assume is the other 12 or so gigs), or move to media area. I see no SD option. so my question is, are we users not allowed to install or move apps/games to our SD cards anymore?
     

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    The phone has what might best be considered a 16gig SD card built into the motherboard. When you move to media area, the parts of the apps that are allowed to be moved anyway, that's the best you can do.

    I do not think that the second SD card, the real one that can be removed and replaced, can have apps or parts of apps installed on it at all. I think it is only possible to store media on it, like movies and music and photos. The idea was to avoid the situation where an app or part thereof was on the removable SD card and then the SD card got removed and the app broke or otherwise behaved badly. I am not sure I particularly like this solution though, I'd rather the internal SD card was upgradable to a bigger one by user manipulation.

    Glenn
     
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    I noticed that too Ghost, and Glenn is right on this.

    I can't even add to what he said because he covered it all!:p

    It's better that apps stay on the phone because it's a known issue the SD cards fail and the phone fails.
     
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    so leave or put apps/games on the Phone part (the 12 or so gigs) rather than on the media (2gigs) part?
     
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    i move all apps to the internal storage area (12g).

    BTW before you install stuff did you change your phone with VZW?
     
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    I have not called them yet. the issue isnt really bothering me at all. infact a few times i went to go look at it, i couldnt find it for awhile. I feel im probably making a mountain out of a mole hill.

    btw which partition is the internal storage area (12g) i only see move to media or move to phone. im assuming the phone is the 12g?
     
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    the other way around actually. if you go to SETTINGS / APPLICATIONS, on the bottom as you click the tabs, you will see what space is what.

    Also in that same window, if u click on media area, everything listed there can be moved to that media area. if it has a green check it's already there. Gray means you can put it there.

    :)

    Glad it's ok! Can you somehow take a pic of the spot and post it?
     
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    i tried getting it on camera and its too small to get on camera. i even had full brightness on the phone...

    not sure if i should ahve them send another.
     
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    we've all told you already to change it LOL!!!!! *bonks you on the head
     
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    The phone's storage is split into two parts, all of which are on the internal, non-accessable, SD memory. We are not talking about your microSD chip, which the phone does not come with anyway, you have to buy and add that if you want one.

    There is a lot of internal storage memory, 16 gigs total, and the 12 gigs of that are called the media part. The 2 gigs or less are called the phone part, though its really all part of the sme memory, its like partitioning a hard drive into two partitions. Apps install into the little "Phone" partition, but usually MOST of the stuff that makes up the app can be moved to the "Media" partition, leaving more room on the "Phone " partition for more app "stubs".

    Some apps require the whole of the app to be stored on the "Phone" partition, for what the app-maker figured to be performance issues. This is misguided, on our Droid3's, because there is really no difference in access speed between the two partitions on the internal sorta-SD memory, I think. Who knows, though, about the speed and access times of some generic SD chip you slid into the slot under the battery door...devs tend to protect themselves.

    I use an app that was recently an Amazon Free App of the Day, App2SD Pro by Sam Lu I think. Whenever I install something, it will Notify me if that app can have a chunk of itself moved to "SD" memory, in our case with the Droid3 that's the phone's built-in Media Area. I recommend that, because it reminds me every time that it is possible to do that move. For example, today I got Drag Racing Premium version 1.1.2 from the Amazon FreeApps thing, and I was able to move a big chunk of it from the "Phone" to the internal "media area" and that reduced the application footprint in the "Phone" partition from 7.20 MB down to 664KB. Pretty good idea and instantly reversible if there are issues. It pops up in Notifications when it sees a new app is being installed ! Maybe you would want to check it out,though it is NOT really necessary because you can do all this by hand if you know how.

    There is a free version that still does all that monitoring and moving stuff, via Android internals, its just that the Pro version was free last week and I figured I'd get the whole thing.

    Glenn
     
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    I had to chime in on this because I made the mistake of trying the App2SD on this phone..... DO NOT install App2SD of any sort.

    The reason is because APP2SD only shows you what can be moved to the EXTERNAL card!!! (i used this app on my samsung and tried it on the d3 and it does not work right--- apps that IT says can't be moved, CAN be moved to the media area, and our phones do not allow us to move to external SD).

    There is no need to install such an app because this phone manages that itself quite well.

    Just trying to help!

    Again, in Settings / Applications / Manage Applications you can EASILY see what can be moved. APP2SD wont show you what can be moved to the partitioned part of the phone. It's a waste of space, and battery.
     
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    If you are a satisfied customer, feeling good about the money you spent and contracts you had to agree to enter into, then you are in a good place and should get on with enjoying your phone. As Cenk Uygur of The Younell g Turks would say, "God Bless !!!" :)

    Its all about you, your money, your patronage, your satisfaction, your choice.

    No bullshit implied. If it was mine, I'd probably return it and raise hell if they gave me a problem with that, but maybe not. There are some people in our great nation that would just buy another one and toss the one with the dead pixel off to a retainer, because to them a mere $500 or so is spare change. Its all relative, and your satisfaction is what is important here, no one else's.

    Just don't think that you have to accept something that you are unhappy with, that you bought by choice, all because the Corporation that provided it to you does not find it convenient to provide you with a perfect one. Don't let them re-define "Perfect, Shiny and New" to mean "defective, slightly" or "Certified Like New". Not without a fight.

    You don't fight, they are happy with that. OF COURSE !!! :)

    Glenn

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    im on the phone with verizon customer care right now in the process of having another phone sent out possibly.

    WOW they want to charge my card the cost of the phone as a hold until they get the bad phone back. wtf that is BULL
     
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    make sure they send you a NEW ONE
     
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    Okay so the situation is they cannot send me a -new- Droid 3 via the mail unless they charge my bank account the cost of the phone as a place hold. the charge would be refunded to me upon them recieveing my old phone. That is complete BULLS*#T. He's on the phone with the store i bought it from to see what the store could do. All i want is a new D3 sent to me and i mail them back the old one. it doesnt seem that hard! Its not as easy as me going to the st ore i got it from and having them swap it out because almost all verizon stores nationwide dont have the D3 in store.

    EDIT:

    If they tell me thats the only way they can do it, im going to threaten to leave. I'll cancel both my new account (for my wife who got the D3 but im usign the D3) and my personal old account aswell.

    And I will too, if i have to. The motorola photon from sprint is a nice phone.

    EDIT v 2.0:

    i even had a manager in the phone department go through all the options and prettymuch ebcause i havent been with verizon for a consecutive 6months they cant bill my account the temp charge. they would have to charge my credit card the amount of the phone (i dont know if that means 200 or 500 dollars) i held my tongue as long as i could and eventually i said ''well i know what my true 'worry free gurantee' is.. im going to go to sprint. ill call you guys back in an hour or so to cancel both of my accounts.''

    now will i really do that? probably not, i love verizon too much. but it felt damn good to say.

    let me explain that i COMPLETELY understand what theyre doing and why. its to protect themselves from being out of a phone and making sure that some how some way the cost of the phone IS covered. its just bull that a brand new phone has a defect and im the one who has to pay for it.
     
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    Well, I don't think they are being unreasonable about putting a credit hold on the value of the old phone, whatever that is, until you return it. For them it avoids the risk of you keeping both items without payin for the other one, and for you it allows you to have both phones in your possession at the same time, for moving things around or whatever. No down time for you.

    There is the issue of lost access, though temporary, to your own cash or credit for the amount of the hold. If this is a real problem for you, I don't have any further advice, this is just the cost of doing business.

    Whatever you decide, I am glad to hear they have offered you a working phone in place of your defective one. At this point maybe a little give on your part would be gracious ?

    Glenn
     
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    No that IS BULL! !!! when i got my samsung charge phone from amazon wireless and had to do an exchange they sent me a NEW phone and the rule was I had 14 days to return the other or I would be charged for the retail value of the phone. Verizon can do the same. Your phone is 1 day old and they wanna send u a cln or be temporarily charged?
     
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    yup


    I dont have 200 or 500 or whatever they want to hold on my account. i dont have that kind of dosh.

    Plus i shouldnt have to give.. AT ALL. its THEIR fault for sending me a phone with, even though its very minor, a defect. they should charge themselves. send me a new fecking phone.
     
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    I am sorry you do not. Seems like that is what you need in this situation.

    I agree with you, but see their point of view in this situation as well. From their perspective, they are not charging you anything, net.

    I don't know what you should do in this situation. If you have adequate credit on like a credit card, then you could maybe put the hold there and return the bad phone to trigger the credit chargeback before you had to pay even any interest ?

    Worst case, you keep the phone and if it continues to bother you down the road do an insurance claim on it when it breaks, maybe because you dropped it in the sink. Out of frustration ?

    This is kind of sad. I had not thought that being in a position of having inadequate credit could cause this level of distress. I wish you better fortune !

    Maybe we could trade Droid3's and I could exchange yours as mine ? I want to support you in this, but I worry about serial numbers not matching. I don't know you well enough to loan you $500 or so, and I guess neither does Verizon Wireless.

    Glenn
     
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    This conversation is asinine. They sent a defective phone. He has 14 days to bring it back. Why should he have 500 bux locked up until they refund it? This is insane!!

    I said not to call but go to the store. GO TO THE STORE!!!
     
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    They dont have any D3 in store. o_O

    But yes, i can try going to the specific store and maybe they can order another one.

    When i was on the phone with VZW the rep actually ocntacted that store and spoke to the manager. apparently they would only be able to do the same thing. and im not accepting some bogus loaner phone either. i need the phone for work aswell.

    *sigh*
     
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    If you aren't willing to take a loaner either than the best of luck to u. Seriously I agree u shouldn't have to pay but now you aren't willing to take a loaner? Now you are on your own with that one. If vzw didn't try and keep you after u threatened to go to sprint then they don't care. So u should follow thru with it. Or take a loaner and be done with it
     
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    its not that i wont take a loaner, its that i cant. I need my phone for work. I'm out and about and need to respond to e-mails and sometimes view PDF files and other things a loaner flip phone is unable to do.

    I didnt mean to sound smug or like an ass.
     
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    Flip? Lol no they give u a smartphone. Lol.
     
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    O... i thought it would be a crappy flip phone. XD well at the very least ill go in to the store and see whats up. Thanks shurple. youre my bestest bestest droid 3 buddy. *hug*

    i may or may not have some alcohol in me. after all, today is muh birthday! :D
     

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