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Discussion in 'Android Devices' started by massiveian, Dec 26, 2009.

  1. massiveian

    massiveian Member
    Thread Starter

    I received my first bill from sprint and saw i had 18 international text messages from 12/16 - 12/19.
    I called them and they credited my account for the international messages. I told her my phone was placing me all around the world, and she noted that on my account. I am worried that I am going to have to call Sprint CS every month to get these messages removed from my bill.
    I was then forwarded to Tech support and told him my issue. He said this is not a known issue. and in order for my location to be correct i would have to reset the phone. Well I was on the phone at that time so he said he would call my house phone later so we could reset the phone. I hope 2.whatever comes out soon so this can be resolved.

  2. cvam1985

    cvam1985 Well-Known Member

    As it does not work, may I ask why you have not turned it off?

    It's under the GPS menu and called something like "Use Wireless Networks"
  3. massiveian

    massiveian Member
    Thread Starter

    Because when i first got the phone it was working fine until today when i went into google maps and it said i was in fiji. I have disabled it since
  4. SlyFerret

    SlyFerret Android Enthusiast

    I've been waiting to hear a report from somebody who actually had the international SMS messages show up on the bill so that they are itemized.

    What number does it show the SMS messages were to? Are they numbers that you recognize and know that you did in fact send SMS messages to?

  5. massiveian

    massiveian Member
    Thread Starter

    It does not show where the messages originated from. I asked the Sprint rep i was on the phone with if they could see where the messages came from or were going and they said even they didnt have that information. They said due to privacy they are unable to see any international text message information. They gave me a number to call and i could pay to have this information sent to me.
  6. SlyFerret

    SlyFerret Android Enthusiast

    If you're being billed for international SMS... wouldn't they have originated from YOUR phone?

    I don't recall every being billed for the delivery of an international SMS from my brother overseas.

    Does your bill not itemize all your calls and SMS messages?

  7. massiveian

    massiveian Member
    Thread Starter

    No my bill just said 18 international text messages @ $.20/msg....................$3.60

    It didnt allow me to see who i was texting. And i know all of my friends are here in the states so im confused.
  8. SlyFerret

    SlyFerret Android Enthusiast

    I'm a little incredulous when it comes to blaming the international SMS thing on aGPS.

    The SMS stack on the phone should in no way need your GPS location in order to determine if an SMS is domestic or international. It's all based on where the tower is when the SMS is handed off to the carrier from the phone, and routing is based on the destination phone number.

    In order to get to the bottom of the international SMS messages that folks are seeing, we're going to somehow have to find out what the numbers in question are.

  9. massiveian

    massiveian Member
    Thread Starter

    Yeah I understand that. But I would like to find out who I was texting between those 3 days so i can figure it out. I wish Sprint would release text information online but they wont. I know the people i texted in those 3 days were in the country because they all live within 15 miles of me and i always see them.
  10. Moment

    Moment Member

    Maybe the people you texted are lying to you :)
  11. MrGadget256

    MrGadget256 Member

    Similar problem, many other posts, Sprint is fessing up to the problem. Hopefully it will be fixed with 2.1 :rolleyes: http://androidforums.com/samsung-moment/30376-location-issue.html#post212092, and for a graphic, http://androidforums.com/samsung-moment/30376-location-issue.html#post212092
    I had them remove 3 International texts without an issue.
  12. SlyFerret

    SlyFerret Android Enthusiast

    It's not necessarily a similar problem. The location of the handset, as determined by GPS/aGPS should have absolutely no bearing on the SMS features of the phone. SMS routing is a function of the network.

    I'm really hoping that, at some point, somebody with these mysterious international SMS messages will get an itemized paper bill and be able to provide some more information.

    Until we have that information... we can do absolutely nothing but speculate.

  13. MrGadget256

    MrGadget256 Member

    I just got my bill, no charges were on the paper copy, but I had specifically requested they be removed, so they no longer show on the electronic copy either. Maybe someone else will pay for them. I won't. :D
  14. kalel3038

    kalel3038 Newbie

    Yeah same problem here I just recived my bill today and got charged for 16 international text msgs and got charged 13 dollars so I call customer service and asked them to give me some info and all they could do was give me time and location....and they were only able to give me the date and location and said I had texted japan egypt peru lol she said there was more lol and I was like what??? lol I am thinking either my phone has a mind of its own and has friends their or I must be a real text junkie that I text all these countries IN MY SLEEP lol cause I don't member or have friends in those countries. So she told me that iin order to get more info I would have to call this number and I spoke to them and they said I had to sign a paper they were going to send me to check the number and time and date...due to privacy but now that I know its a problem amongst others to ill call sprint again and talk to them. Thanks guys!
  15. AnnaKuz

    AnnaKuz Newbie

    Now I am getting nrevous too! My phone just decided My location is in som Asian country!
  16. betafan

    betafan Newbie

    I just got my first bill as a sprint customer(switched from Tmo), I have been billed 37 intl text messages. It shows 24 from Egypt, 9 from Australia, and 4 from Hungary. It doesn't actually say 'from'--there's no indication if these are being billed as sent or received. As far as I can see there is no record of the numbers that I am allegedly exchanging international texts with. I will probably go into the sprint store this week or next to sort this out and will report back. I already have 11 intl text messages in this current billing cycle. Whether this is a problem with the phone or just with sprint, I don't know. I can assure all the skeptics out there that I am 100% sure these are bogus charges. I do not send/receive text messages with anyone in Egypt. I'd damn well know if somebody I was texting was in f$%@% Egpyt.
  17. AnnaKuz

    AnnaKuz Newbie

    Haven't gotten to do may text msg yet, spent most of my time trying to get the email mess figured out...
  18. dkjones96

    dkjones96 Android Enthusiast

    Both wireless and satellite GPS on my phone since the day I got it and out of 3,800 some texts last billing cycle and 2500 so far this one not a single international text charge. I still think this is happening because of an app.
  19. AndroidSPCS

    AndroidSPCS Android Expert

    Makes sense. Some app is trying to phone home and a sloppy developer overseas is receiving the texts...
  20. AnnaKuz

    AnnaKuz Newbie

    Yesterday when I was purposely draining the battery, I started everything I
    could think of that tool juice. Towards the end I went to check Google maps and My location was somewhere in Asia (could not read the Asian characters and the names of the small towns did not ring a bell as to where this was). As soon as the battery was set to charge (using the wall charger) My location again was correct (at my house in Boulder). So perhaps that is what is going on? Your battery is low and GPS gets confused, you send a text msg and Sprint thinks you are in some other country...
  21. Understanding how SMS messages work is the first big clue that it isn't cause my a faulty location script in the phone itself..
    SMS and voice DOES NOT GO THROUGH EVDO.. it goes through teh 1xRTT signal that your phone is always in (unless you have no signal at all).. SMS is really a data notification hack that the cell companys exploited to allow short messages (this ist he reason sms are limited to 180 chars)... These are routed through the cell tower, then through the routers and main database (it can also be forwarded at this point to the other carrier database for processing) and sent back out through another cell tower, through the data stream notification (all over the voice carrier stream mind you) and to the persons wireless device (this is why you can recieve texts while on voice calls but cant recieve other data while on a CDMA network)...
    This has no relationship to where your phone "thinks" it is, since these are tracked through the router and main database at sprint.. If it goes through a US cell tower, and out a US cell tower, it knows it was a US based text, If it goes in through a US cell tower, and out a non-US cell tower.. they know it is an international text.. Once again.. SMS go through the VOICE STREAM NOT THE DATA STREAM this is why you get charged for it, if it went over the data stream (like all other programs do such as e-mail, Instant messaging and others) there would be no surcharge for international or limitations on the AMOUNT of texts you can send.. there would be bandwidth caps (like there are for data) on how much bandwidth you can utilize...
    This is because more then likely the GPS (along with wifi and other stuff) automatically kicks off once you get below the 15% battery meter level (even if you battery is still half full).. It defaulted back to the broken wireless network location script (you have both of them checked i assume.. Use wireless network and GPS).. Also note the Moment implements location via avalible WIFI signals in your location and either they have coordinates, or skyhook (or another service) has those coordinates and determines were you are based on that... Once again.. these services kick off below the 15% battery mark to "conserve power"...

    As someone else has already stated.. the reason you are getting charged international text messages is because some sloppy dev is sending SMS from your phone to an international number...
  22. AnnaKuz

    AnnaKuz Newbie

    Thanks for the explanation!
    Being a newbee to Android - I have spent hours and hours poking around on the forum, I have searched on every conceivable text and variations and I apologize profusely if I asked questions that have been answered 5000000 times and I am sorry for wasting your time
  23. Naa that is a link to a new wiki being developed.. This isn't really one of those questions.. the usual is just the GPS question in general.. along with how to flash the new kernel
  24. massiveian

    massiveian Member
    Thread Starter

    Well I just checked my usage from Dec 20th - Now, and i already have 6 international text messages. I have kept all my text messages and as i look through my phone I did not have one person with 6 messages during these 10 days. So im clueless on how to go about this problem. I am tired of having to call up Sprint so that they can remove the charges every month. How long is this going to happen for
  25. dkjones96

    dkjones96 Android Enthusiast

    What apps are you running in addition to what I'm already running, everyone having this issue chime in. If you aren't having the issue and you aren't using a program that the people with this problem are mentioning, say so. I imagine everyone getting this has an app in common.

    I've currently got:

    Bank of America
    Bluetooth OnOff
    Metal Detector
    Old Man Herbert Soundboard(funnier than heck)
    Periodic Table
    Pkt Auctions eBay
    Robo Defense
    Radiant Lite
    SMS Popup
    Where's My Droid
    WiFi OnOff

    Didn't realize I'd installed that many programs...

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