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Is anyone else just a little bit underwhelmed by Nexus S?

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    I do a lot of catching up on TV with mine too. I use the tv.com app a lot ;) I spend a lot of time in the Verizon stores and have played with the Galaxy Tab. It is beautiful!!! I love it! The only problem is that I wouldn't carry it around all the time since it doesn't fit in my pocket. :p The Fascinate is awesome. I just put Matrix Revolutions on it and it looks SO good.
     

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    I finally got my NS yesterday and coming from an N1 here's what I think:

    + the screen is amazing, I mean really beautiful

    + the phone zips along, still using stock launcher which I couldn't really do with N1 due to lag

    + responsive screen

    + nice front styling

    + less lag typing in browser

    + responsive touch buttons

    + plenty of app memory

    +/- in call volume is loud, perhaps too loud!

    - plastic built back looks a little cheap

    - phone can sound a little hollow (if you tap it when held to your ear or with vibration feedback)

    - home key may have a slight fault (light goes off and becomes unresponsive sometimes when holding to access recently used)


    That's my thoughts so far, I'm sure there are more, or points which people think I've missed or disagree with. I missed out a trackball or led because I switch the screen on so often I don't feel is relevant.
     
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    The lack of a microSD slot isn't a big deal for me, I think 16GB is enough. Also, 4G isn't supported everywhere yet, and 4G has proven to be not much faster than 3G when it comes to just browsing on the web. I've never experienced a notification-LED, and as they say, 'you'll miss it when it's gone', so that isn't really a big deal for me too. I think you are lazy if you can't even press a button to see if you have a text or something, but that's my opinion.

    I do understand however, if you think those things are very important. But that's the good thing about Android: you can choose your own hardware. Just buy another device if you don't like the Nexus S because of the lack of 4G, upgradable memory and a notification-LED, but I think those are stupid reasons to not buy a super fast and slick smartphone. It's not like because it is a Google device, it has to be perfect for everyone and have the latest super-duper-mega-core-super-processor.

    That's another thing: what's the point of dual-core? The Nexus S is already super fast. Dual-core would be nice if you are looking at battery improvements, because that seems to be a problem with Android devices, but I think it's going the same way as it did with computers. For a computer, you don't need a quad-core to browse on the internet, or use word. The ONLY reason computers are getting faster and faster, is because of games. But why in god's name do you want to play big games on your smartphone? I mean, Angry Birds is fun while you are sitting in the bus, but more than that I don't need. I have a Xbox 360 at home where I can play Call of Duty, Grand Theft Auto and Rock Band, I don't need a smartphone for that.

    Bottom-line is, I do think dual-core's are useful when it comes to battery life and multi-tasking, but at the moment I don't need it, because there are no apps that need it, and all the apps that are going to need a dual-core processor, are games.

    To get back to my story, it seems that everyone is thinking that the Google devices, the Nexuses, have to get the best hardware there is. People made the same mistake with the Nexus One, saying it was a big let-down, but look at them now: they all love their Nexus One. It's true that for plain specifications, the Nexus S hasn't really changed over the Nexus One, but it is really a lot faster, and does overall better with a lot of things (for example the touchscreen responsiveness). It is a good thing that Google focussed more on the software, and let the hardware stay the same. You can put as many cores in your smartphone as you want, but if it doesn't work well with the software and other things, it has no point. The Nexus S uses as much of the 1Ghz processor as it's capable of, and I think that's enough for a smartphone, at the moment at least.

    The main reason people liked the Nexus One so much was because of the fast upgrades. Did I say fast? I mean normal upgrades. You should get an upgrade when it's released, that's normal. Let's just say that all the other not-Nexus devices are all getting their updates late. Very late. Just buy a Nexus if you don't like waiting for an update 6 months. And it's faster too because of the lack of shitty skins (HTC Sense actually is nice, but it does make your device slower).

    I'd say that I'm not underwhelmed by the Nexus S, but I'm not overwhelmed either. It does what I expected, just like the Nexus One. The reason that I'm going to buy the Nexus S, and I didn't buy the Nexus One, is because I thought the OS wasn't grown-up enough, and I thought the same thing about the hardware.

    Sorry for this long post, and my probably terrible English (I'm from the Netherlands, 15 years old), but now you know my opinion!
     
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    Have you seen this clip from Phone Arena? LG Optimus 2X battles a Samsung Galaxy S again, shows off its HDMI-out prowess - Phone Arena

    It shows the new LG Optimus 2x (should be released in the US early 2011...was originally called the LG Star) up against a Samsung Galaxy S phone, which is basically what the Nexus S is (same processor). The LG Optimus 2x is a dual core Android phone. I have the Fascinate, and I can tell you that I'd love to have the extra speed on my phone. ;)
     
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    But I can tell you that the Nexus S is actually a lot faster than the Galaxy S series. And of course, maybe YOU need extra speed, but I don't need it for a Nexus S.
     
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    As people are talking about LG here, what are they like with upgrades? Any experience with their other phones and upgrades? What are LG likely to do to Android to customise it?
     
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    They are likely to **** it up. From the pics it looks like TouchWiz, which isn't a good thing. I prefer Android 'naked', but the best skins are HTC Sense and Sony Ericsson's UI, forgot the name.

    And upgrades will be the same as every other non-vanilla Android phone.
     
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    Nail on the head right there. I sit here with equally capable hardware (hummingbird and power GPU) in my Fascinate running 2.1 while hardware wise the device is perfectly capable of running 2.2 and 2.3 just fine. Now when Google releases 2.4, they release it for THEIR phone, which, right now, is the Nexus S. This was a winning model for the Nexus One, and it will be a winning model for the Nexus S. If I was on a GSM network like T-Mobile, this would be the phone I would own hands down. Would I miss the ability to throw in a 32GB card when I fill up the included 16? Yes. Would I miss Android 2.1 and Verizon's bloat? HELL NO. (that's the mild version of what I'm thinking right now becuase I didn't get any Froyo for Christmas...)

    If it seems a lot faster, it's because of Gingerbread. I have used the Nexus S and my tweaked, cleaned, rooted, custom kernel'd, OC'd and undervolted Fastinate side by side. The Nexus S is not ONE BIT faster. Games and apps load in the same amount of time. The gallery and the launcher interfaces are equally smooth and responsive. The stock browser on 2.3 loads webpages slightly faster than Dolphin HD on my phone, but Dolphin HD sacrifices some speed for some functionality and features that I constantly use, so that was expected. They are virtually the same hardware, my friend.
     
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    1. Vanilla Android is THE reason that I'm going to buy the Nexus S. That doesn't mean I would buy it even if the hardware was crap, but luckily, it's good! But all the LED's, dual-cores and micro-SD slots in the world can't make up for the fact that all those phones get their updates like almost A YEAR later (not all, but some)! As I said, you don't get your updates on a Nexus fast, you get 'em normal. Just like it should be. Shame on Samsung, HTC, Sony Ericsson, Motorola. Shame on you.

    2. I gotta admit, I don't know how the Galaxy S runs with Gingerbread, but TouchWiz doesn't make it faster:). And you are saying that they have the same hardware, but even same hardware have differences. Look at the Nexus One and the Nexus S. Both 1Ghz (Snapdragon and Hummingbird, OK, that's a difference), but the Nexus S is faster, and I think it still will be if the Nexus One gets Gingerbread.
     
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    Then we're pretty much in agreement on what's important, or at least one thing of paramount importance. I'm sick of carriers and OEM's being so lax on updates. Even iSheep don't have to tolerate quite this much hang time between updates. Granted, Apple doesn't have to make updates for such a wide scope of hardware, but the OEM's get this damned OS FOR FREE. Spend the savings on some timely frickin' updates please. YOU made your device. YOU got MY money when I bought it. Support the bloody thing. And I blame the carriers and their crap as much as the OEMs.

    The more we wait for 2.2 and the more heck VZ puts me through, the more I'm headed towards a "pure" google phone on a less restrictive/expensive network like T Mobile. I've been a proclaiming herald for Verizon, touting their phenomenal coverage, and the fantistic support for customers they've had over the years. But I really feel them slipping. Big time.
     
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    That was reason #1 I went for "pure google" with my purchase of the Nexus S. I got so frustrated walking around with a unit running 2.1, with all it's bugs and lag, that the carrier had already announced was never going to be upgraded again..... After only 6 months?! So not gonna happen again...
     
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    Question to Nexus S users ... is there any kind of TV out whether via USB or 3.5mm jack?
     
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    It might be carrier related but the LG Eve on Rogers (Canada) is still on 1.5 and has been waiting for the 1.6 update since last year.
     
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    There is a 3.5mm jack (obviously though that's just audio) and there is a mini-usb port (for charging as well as data transfers when connected to a computer USB port), not sure if you can port video out that mini-usb... Never tried it.
     
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    Wow. Lame. Grrr.... If a dev. on his own volunteer time (or for paltry donations) can release custom kernels and cooked ROMs that work great for a huge majority of users that try them (and actually install them right) how come huge companies like Samsung and LG can't deliver? This is so beyond lame ...

    And a lot of the less powerful phones that really could use the update with the new compiler in 2.2 still don't have it, and may never. Definitely the android phone's hidden dark side.

    Will your device still be supported tomorrow? How long did Apple still offer software updates and support for original iPod touch and iPhone models?
     
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    So I just bought the nexus s a few hours ago...

    and in short Iam basically considering whether I am going to return it or not. I had a few days to prepare myself for the fact that it was going to be under specd, so I wouldn't be too put off by the lack of sd card slot or what have you. But the thing I wasnt prepared for and don't think I am willing to tolerate is the weakened wifi connection. I have owned an iphone, nexus one, and an hd2 running android. All of them had better wifi reception than this and it is a line I don't I am willing to cross.

    I really want to support the idea of pure google because I can't use skinned versions and what to speak of combined with carrier spamware. I Can't or won't, whatever.

    But if they have to even dick around with basic features like wifi I can't support that. I'll just keep running my hd2 with cooked roms and tell all these conspiring parties to go f#@k themselves.
     
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    Maybe you're .... uh .... holding it wrong? Oh, crap. Wrong forum. :rolleyes:

    Are these wifi issues very common? If so, a return might be warranted. If not, an exchange for a new device might be better. I'll usually give an electronics product at least a second chance. We bought a $900 Kodak digital camera years and years ago. It was like a revolutionary 1 MP or something. What a beast! Anyways, the first one, brand new from the factory, did not work properly. Lots of issues, times when it wouldn't take photos, etc. They sent us a new one to replace it. Kodak typically had, and still has, very good customer service. But the same problems happened with the replacement unit. Still being under warranty, they sent us a replacement once again - but this time, not a new camera, but a refurbished. All be danged if that thing didn't work like a charm, every single day, every single shot ... PERFECT!! ... until that unfortunate moment when a clumsy classmate ran into me and knocked it right out of my arms during a school project (our camera was substantially better than my school's). I looked down just in time to see it hit a concrete floor lens first.

    Anyways, I've had good luck with refurbs and display models in my time. Another example is with laptops. I bought a brand new Macbook 13" straight from Apple. It was a second gen with a Core Duo, but not Core 2 duo. Right out of the box it had problems. I paid extra for the faster processor and actual DVD burner, and it was the most that I'd ever personally spent on a laptop, or any computer PERIOD. Bought it for college. The keyboard and two other internal parts were bad right from the get go, and I had to send it in for repair. Then, within a year, the battery died - not like the duration of a recharge went down, it just DIED, as in a big red "X" over the top of the battery symbol. Unplug = hard shutdown. They replaced the battery. Then the DVD drive died because of a firmware update. Then the second battery died in similar fashion to the first.

    Then, while I was taking notes on this same white Macbook in class, it started on fire. That's right. It was plugged in and I was taking notes - no background apps running, so no demand on the device - and we smelled smoke during a lecture. I looked down, and flames were coming out of my power adapter.

    In contrast, a Sony Vaio I bought at Best Buy - not only a clearance model, but also the display model - is still kicking to this day. It's over 5 years old. We got a replacement battery under the service plan. That's it. The original battery will even last you about 30 min. if you needed it.

    My 4th Eris (like new factory replacement under warranty) finally works well for the wife. The brand new one had a dreadful speaker failure within a month.

    Wow. I don't know why I wrote such a long story to make such a short point - If you're having serious wifi issues, which you should be able to reproduce consistently, or at least in front of a tech a time or two, a second try with a different device might be in order. I have a lot of faith in Google's selection of the Nexus S for their flagship device. I would expect them to have put several test units through the paces. My Fascinate does not have wifi issues. It's reception is not quite as strong as the Droid X I used to have, and it's not as strong as my new laptop which has ridiculously good reception, but it's as good as any smartphone I've personally used, and it has remarkably similar internals to the Nexus S. I'd give it another go with a fresh device.
     
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    Yeah I'll see after a day or two how things go. I really like the speed and overall coherence of three phone and would like to be able to keep it. The thing I is I have read that people are consistently getting less strength signals with this model across the board, leading me to believe it is simply downgraded hardware. All my previous phones could keep the houses wifi connection from any room. In the kitchen and upstairs I would only get one teetering bar that may drop for a second or two, but it still worked. So far this phone is having trouble keeping the same connection. If it isolated I have no problem getting a replacement. Otherwise I hate this kind of stuff, is it so hard to just not dick people around?
     
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    The Wi-Fi reception is definitely less than I had on my N1.
     
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    LOL. There you are with your dual-core... on 1.5. That's like putting the engine of a truck into a Mini Cooper.
     
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    What would make the NS perfect (or near-perfect):
    * Support for T-Mobile's HSPA+ network and AT&T's 3G network (and eventual HSPA+)
    * microSD expandable memory (or at least a 32 GB model)
    * A bit of a lower price, or carrier subsidized options (including T-Mobile's handset payment plan option)
     
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    There is no such thing as a perfect, or even near perfect device. When dual-cores come out, there will be quad-cores, quadripple-core, superdripple-cores, 5G, 6G, 7G, 1000G, 50gb memory, 100gb, 1tb, 100tb, 10000.... well, you get my point.:)

    To ALL, not to FreakyLocz14: People will always be complaining. If you don't like the Nexus S, don't buy it. And don't be dissapointed neither. It's not like because it's from Google, it HAS to be perfect and HAS to satisfy your needs. If you think you can't live without a notification LED, a microSD slot and 4G, well, DO NOT BUY THE NEXUS S. Every, EVERY device has something to complain about. But it seems that because this is a Nexus, made by Google (sort of), it has to be perfect or something.

    Can we just stop all those threads? If you feel like it, you can reply on existing threads, but don't make a new one. Please.
     
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    I was pointing out what would make the device almost perfect by my own standards. I can live without the microSD slot and the notification light. Since I would be switching over from Sprint if I get a Nexus S, the lack of 4G support is what's really holding me back. Those other things would be nice, but I can do without them. I'm still considering getting the Nexus S if the speed boost gained from the HSPA+ network can move me to or very close to the 7.2 Mbps speed cap.
     
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    I got your point, but I was more or less talking to everyone who thinks that the Nexus S is a 'big letdown'.
     
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    I bolded a critical point you made. What happened when Apple offered a higher capacity model at a higher price? They had a more expensive device that made them a LOT more margin per unit sold. Genius? No. Common sense? Most definitely!!! I can't believe they wouldn't think of something like that. It's a formula that has worked well on ALL brands of MP3 players across the board, and definitely made Apple some extra dollars on their smartphones. I would gladly shell out an extra $50 or so for the 32GB model. That would almost completely replace my need for user replaceable memory. While an expansion slot would still be nice, a 32GB model would at least alleviate one major concern: running out of space.

    It's designed as a MULTIMEDIA phone. It has stellar playback capabilities. It records HD video and has a great camera. Why wouldn't Samsung/Google want to capitalize on it's fantastic capabilities to produce and sell a higher margin device? That's like saying, "Oh, we make enough profit on the base model. We don't want any more profit, and we don't want to sell any more devices to people that want more memory on their portable device.

    Right at this moment, I still prefer the Samsung Fascinate over the NS, at least if all things were equal, and both phones had 2.3. I know the advantages of a pure google phone. And I would love gingerbread as much as the next android fan. But hey, I threw some TV episodes on my Fascinate yesterday, and I have a stock of movies I pack around on it to show off, for one, and also just to have for a "rainy day" ... and now my 16GB card is 95% full.

    And the good news is they're up to class 4 now:

    Newegg.com - Kingston 32GB Micro SDHC Flash Card with MicroSD Reader Gen 2 Model MRG2+SDC4/32GB

    Sold out because it's a pretty dang good deal, but they had another 32GB class 4 for $109 normal priced. Class for is still faster than the stock card, so I would get double capacity and improved speed for around $100. Prices are only going to continue to come down as capacities increase and costs are reduced. That's why from a profitability standpoint they really dropped the ball on leaving no slot available and provided only a single capacity model. The different capacity production model continues to work for Apple and most successful MP3 manufacturing companies such as Sandisk, Archos, and Sony. Why would they ignore such a successful formula on a device that will eventually be sold worldwide???

    Edit: What the ... "Senior Member"?? Muahahaha. You guys HAVE to listen to me NOW!!!

    Lol. Jk! :D I just can't believe I've made 500 posts ...
     
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