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    ''Sensitive'' as USA has gotten over the past 20 years with too much Political Correctness ? I mean the Country is divided with the Stars and Bars of the Southern flag because it is ''Racist''. PEOPLE are racist, not inanimate objects. Removing historical statues and such of the Civil Era too. Christians don't go around boycotting apple growers and places that sell apples because of the whole ''Adam and Eve'' issue.
    Does your Country think USA's cheese done slid off it's cracker ? Has USA gone too soft ?
    Won't be long till Mount Rushmore will be erased because it may offend just a few.

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    Does The Dukes of Hazzard have any reruns in the US these days? Do they CGI and Politically Correct the car?
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    Well there is no issue with Christians, apples and "Adam and Eve": if you actually read Genesis there is no mention of apples at all. Medieaval Western artists used an apple to illustrate the fruit, but the Bible does not claim that the tree corresponded to any known species.

    In the UK there has been controversy about statues or naming of buildings after individuals who obtained their wealth through the slave trade. It doesn't have the same resonance here, because of a different history, but it does happen.

    But when it comes to statues, many of the civil war monuments that have been a subject of controversy were actually erected long after the civil war itself. The period when the largest number of monuments was erected was the Jim Crow period at beginning of the 20th century. There was another, though smaller, spike in monument building between the mid 50s to the mid 60s, i.e. the time of the civil rights movement. In other words, many of these were built during periods of white supremacist ascendency or reaction. So whatever those monuments mean to you now, I suspect that those who claim that many of them originally had a racist motivation have a point.

    When you say the "stars and bars" do you mean the actual stars and bars (the first flag of the confederacy)? I thought that controversy was more commonly associated with the flag on the car Mike posted above (the "Southern Cross", amongst other names), which has unfortunately been adopted by some racist groups (as well as others). That is the problem with symbols: they can be tainted by associations, which might be painful for those to whom they have other meanings. To give a British example, the St George Cross (the national flag of England) is mainly seen in the hands of football fans (what you would call "soccer") and far-right thugs. The first can be seen as a symbol of unity, the second a symbol of hate and division. This means that when I see it without knowing the context I'm likely to have mixed feelings, and suspect that I'd have even stronger reservations if I were not white. So again, whatever the symbol means to you, there may be legitimate reasons why others would feel uncomfortable with it. The question is really whether there is a practical way of wresting the symbol away from those who would misuse it?

    Mind you, the culture around flags is different here. When in the USA I often see people flying flags on their houses, whereas the British would regard anyone who flies a flag on their house as a bit of a nutter...
     
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    All those reruns have been halted. That show was one of my faves as a teen and I even had a Confederate Flag license plate on my car I drove. I never associated it with hate, just a cool looking flag on a car like on Smokey and the Bandit.
     
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    I was 18 and working at a pizza store with a black kid also my age. His mom woukd pick him up from work. One afternoon she was going to be late and he would have had to wait in tge store an extra hour. My friend happened to be there getting some food when I asked him if he could take my coworker home. He said sure. They both leave and then they come right back in. We wondered why only to realize that my friends truck had a Confederate Flag themed rear window tint on his truck. The coworker never explained why he decided to mot get the ride but we think it was the flag theme.
     
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    About flags and PC, in another recent thread something of interest especially to me and where I live(China) came up.

    Top Gun (1986)
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    Flags of Japan and Taiwan


    Top Gun: Maverick (to be released)
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    Something made up, but are similar colours to the original flags.

    It can only be to please Tencent Pictures and the PRC govt.

    Also "USS GALVESTON" changed to "UNITED STATES NAVY", probably to make it clear to international audiences what the main character does for a living.
     
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    In my home city of Bristol, Edward Colston, merchant, philanthropist, and slave trader. There's a few things in this city named after him, and a statue as well. We got Colston Avenue, Colston Street, Colston's Girls' School, Colston Hall, etc. And there's already been moves and campaigns to get these things renamed, and the statue removed.
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ve-trade-past-from-colston-hall-to-penny-lane
     
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    I have Japan, South Korea, Philippines and Taiwans flag patches on my Navy jacket. Can't imagine how that would offend.
     
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    Well basically the Taiwan flag is offensive to the Communist Party of China. They see Taiwan as a breakaway province from mainland PRC, and they make sure that everyone in China knows that. And Japan is still made out to be an enemy of China, especially on TV here.

    There's a lot of Chinese money in Hollywood these days, with Tencent, Wanda and Alibaba, all involved in producing blockbuster movies. And China is a huge market for movies now. That's why Maverick's navy jacket patches must be PC for China.
     
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    I also have Hong Kong's too.. Before 1997.
     
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    There's been quite a few appearances of that flag in Hong Kong recently.
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    Do they want complete independence for HK, or a return to British colonial rule?
     
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    They would have to be insane to want the latter.
     
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    Back to the USSA.
    Nobody's erasing anything. We just don't want to publicly celebrate slavery anymore. The first statue removed was of Abraham Lincoln being adored by a Black Man, knelling down near his shoes in my hometown of Boston MA, USA back in the 1970s I think. Damn I'm old.
     
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    It's all a part of History, good or bad. We need to remember what's happened before, and why (the context), to help us NOT make the same mistakes in the future.
     
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    In short, YES! there's way too much deliberately over sensitive Snow-Flakery going on. I'm just as offended by someof the silly anti free-speech antics of students and others with 'No Platforming' of speakers, in case someone says something they don't like. If someone has a cogent argument, I'll listen, even if (or especially) if I disagree. We all need to be open to new ideas and facts.
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