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General Let's all boycott V-CAST Apps

Discussion in 'Android Devices' started by Colchicine, Nov 4, 2010.

  1. Colchicine

    Colchicine Well-Known Member
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    We'll soon be getting another "update" that will install, without our permission, more bloatware onto our phones. The title of this article sums up my feeling about it:
    Droid Incredible getting V CAST Apps next week, whether you like it or not -- Engadget

    I think the simple solution is to send a message to VZW that we won't tolerate it. On top of sending them emails, the BEST thing to do is simply not use this new app store. Don't even go there since it'll send traffic data to VZW. If no one uses it, VZW will be forced to cut their losses and focus on bringing their costs down instead. *gasp* I know.

    Yes, we all know rooting will keep bloatware off the phone, but that doesn't fix the problem.
     

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  2. rapidsandroid

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    Oh great,...now the Tea Party is going against Verizon. LOL

    Lets at least give this new app store a look when it comes out next week to our phone before passing judgment & begin rallying against Verizon (like it will do any good). Who knows, some people may actually like the interface and ease of purchasing apps over the current Market. Not all change is evil.
     
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  3. FramCire

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    If rooting doesnt fix the problem, then what is the "problem" exactly.

    Bloatware doesnt really bother me much and I am not even rooted, so I am confused as to what the "problem" is.

    As for boycotting, not me. I will check it out. If I want to buy an app and the price is the same, why not pay for it with my bill and not have to go through google checkout, which I have had and seen too many (actual) problems!
     
  4. XXXdc5

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    i wont use this crap

    but i will also root and remove all the bloatware
     
  5. WBMc36

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    i will seriously consider rooting when this happens. Verizon does not know how to make apps for android, ie see long load times for nfl mobile and nhl gamecenter, then they have an exit button so no matter what when you back out of the app it actually closes and takes forever again to open up.
     
  6. Reverence

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    I already sent an e-mail to Verizon customer support immediately after reading the article letting them know that I wasn't happy that after paying for my phone and paying to use their service I am being forced to have their applications, most of which I will not use, pre installed on my phone without my permission. We should at least have the option to uninstall the apps or opt out from having them pre-installed in the first place. They are forcing their bloatware/crapware apps on us. I will not make too big a ruckus until the update is released and I see if they are just adding a separate market or are just adding more useless apps to the phone like they did with CityID, VZNavigator, and Skype. If that is the case then I can guarantee I will be staging somewhat of a rally against this.
     
  7. DenverRalphy

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    Anybody who has VZW did indeed give them permission. Check your contract.
     
  8. WBMc36

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    yes, but in some cases even corporate offices aren't happy. I read about companies that have purchased phones for their workers and obviously you want productivity from your employess, so they wanted to take all the bloatware off of the phones like skype, facebook, the nfl app, all things that come pre installed on blackberry and android phones that could destract you at work. I am almost certain there was going to be a lawsuit about it, since technically you own the device so you should be able to control what is on it at all times. Verizon is playing a real BIG brother role here shoving things down its consumers throats that are useless, while also collecting usage data through their market. So it isn't just everyday users like you and me that are upset about this.
     
  9. DenverRalphy

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    Corporate devices (be it BB, Android, Apple) are fully managed by the Corporations that purchased them. They are leased under an entirely different contract agreement than consumer devices. Corporations can dictate their own device policies which determine which apps can or cannot be installed, inlcuding those "bloatware" apps. Hence one of the reasons corporate service costs more than consumer service.
     
  10. Colchicine

    Colchicine Well-Known Member
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    That is a vague legal technicality, and you know it doesn't mean VZW can do whatever they want with our phones.

    Heck, I wouldn't have a problem if they allowed us to remove the apps. I wouldn't even have a problem if they put an expiration date on the apps for when they could remove it. For instance, it disables delete-ability for two months. If you still don't want it after that, then it enables delete-ability. I'm a reasonable person.
     
  11. DenverRalphy

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    There's nothing Vague about it. It is very forthright in it's wording in the contract.

    And as long as you're using your phone on their service, yes they can do pretty much whatever they want. You agreed to the terms.
     
  12. FramCire

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    To add to this post:

    1. Read the contract. It is clear.

    2. Rooting solves this problem. While you lose warranty, rooting is legal and you can then remove whatever you want. (I am not root, just FYI)

    3. Folks, they factory install a lot of software, many programs that you actually use too. It does save a ton of time having stuff pre-installed. We just take it for granted.

    4. Do what you want, EVERY carrier has it. This wont be changing.
     
  13. Colchicine

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    Please, let's stay practical. We all signed the contract, but that doesn't make it anymore acceptable.

    It's pretty clear. You shouldn't have to void your warranty with VZW in order to escape VZW forced software.
     
  14. actofgod

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    I am in on this. I can just see the Verizon geniuses at work getting this plan together...

    "Hey, remember the Droid Incredible?"

    "Wasn't that the phone with shipped with the underpowered sh!t battery?"

    "Yea the very same. I got an amazing idea, once everyone gets used to 2.2 Froyo and all the bloatware let's push through our own VCast market and install more bloatware to further bog down the system and drain the battery faster!"

    "Can we make it so the bloatware is ALWAYS running and can never be turned off?"

    "hell yea we can!"

    "I'm sold!"
     
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  15. Colchicine

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    I disagree, and you are missing the point of this entire thread. If you boycott any bloatware, then they will be forced to not spend any money on developing bloatware. A backlash from customers can, and has, changed the way companies provide services.
     
  16. rjj130

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    You all act like these apps take up a ton of room.

    Several MB here and there isn't anything to get up in a roar about. You have 8GB of on board storage.

    As long as they don't start blocking apps from getting to our phones, I could care less.
     
  17. howarmat

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    they dont run your battery down, educate yourself please.

    and yes they do take room, you do not have 8 GB for apps
     
  18. Colchicine

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    No one has said anything about the file size of these apps. It's about having freedom to do as you wish with something you purchased, which is the reason why most of us have an Android phone instead of an iPhone in the first place.
     
  19. Medion

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    Here's my primary concern with the Verizon app store. Like the Itunes store, it locks you in. You see, if I purchase an app from the Android Market, I can always log in via my Google account and download that app again, even if I've switched to a new phone on a new provider. However, if I buy the app from the VCAST market, sure, I can probably carry the app(s) over to a new phone, but not if I switch carriers.

    There are three methods where I'll buy apps; Google's market, a competing market that is carrier agnostic, of direct from the programmer's website and sideload it.
     
  20. WormDoes

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    Not to get off topic but would rooting a phone you bought, with a warranty, from say Best Buy or some other retailer OTHER than Verizon still void your warranty? I'm not sure if they'd be as hell bent on a rooted phone as Big Red is? I'm really curious so If anyone knows anything please let me know. Thanks in advance

    As far as the bloatware issue, I'm 110% on your side. I payed a lot of money for my phone and a lot of money each month for the service. I should be able to at least have the option to remove the apps they shove down my throat!
     
  21. rjj130

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    Okay, sorry... 750MB devoted to phone memory. Again, if you legitimately find a need for that many apps there is a problem there.

    The average app in the store is no more than a few MB.

    Get over it. Not everyone is ever going to be happy.

    Again, I reiterate... if VZW starts blocking applications, then I'll be pissed. Otherwise, who cares?
     
  22. rjj130

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    Not to offend you or anyone else, but "freedom" really isn't what you think it is, especially when it comes to cellular service.

    1) You're using a device on Verizon Wirelesses network.
    2) Unless you paid outright for the phone (which very few I believe really do) you're not "free" until after your contract as you have purchased a subsidized device which is paid off through the length of the contract.
    3) You comment on the iPhone is invalid as it too can be rooted to do whatever you want, much like others do to their Android phones for certain applications, roms, themes, etc...
     
  23. Hand76

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    Does anyone know how this will work if you are already rooted with S-Off?

    Will you still automatically get the update?
     
  24. Dannyseed

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    Whatever they do won't stop us
     
  25. patsfan1130

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    I am rooted, yet I have not removed any of the bloat. As I understand it a lot of apps rely on each other to run properly. My brother's Dinc is stripped of all bloat and I see so difference in performace (Same ROM). Do I like the fact that they want to throw more crap at us? nope. But at the end of the day, I could care less. I hide all of it anyway so... "out of sight, out of mind"
     
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