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    The video in the story is graphic in nature...viewer discretion advised..blah blah...

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    U.S. general warns troops to treat dead with 'dignity and respect' - CNN.com


    I've seen some argue that the Taliban's "barbaric behavior" gives them no right to question the behavior of our soldiers and I completely agree. However, our soldiers do need to answer to the integrity and values that each branch of military has established, and the actions of these Marines does not reflect well on those standards. I do hope all involved (even the cameraman) are disciplined and maybe even dishonorably discharged for this behavior. These guys do a disservice to EVERY service member that risks their lives with the integrity and valor that our military has built on.
     

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    I agree it shows little respect, but who gives a rats red rump about them, anyway. I mean we put bullets into their brains and I think that is a bigger "insult" than peeing on them.

    I think those that did this uncouth thing will be punished and that is how it should be. You break the rules and you pay the price. I am not sure this is the crime of the century and I am sure many a solder has defiled the enemy.

    Sad thing is, many will simply assume all soldiers behave this way.

    By the way, George Patton was photographed peeing in the Rhine River. Nothing new, just too bad the soldiers were caught. If they go to the brig there will be fewer soldiers out there killing the bustardos.
     
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    Soldiers who feel like its OK to murder people and pose with their bodies and urinate on them should be murdered and disrespected. Or at least told to live in another country.
     
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    Now that is just silly. Are you kidding me?

    Soldiers that break the laws, the rules, the UCMJ should be tried and if convicted, sent to jail and then dishonorably discharged.

    Not sure if convicted they can be told to vacate the U.S. of A.
     
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    This is what gives people the wrong impression of our armed forces. (including me at some point).
     
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    Thinking about it, what would i do after killing someone that was trying to kill me? Would i treat them with respect? Did they just kill someone who was with me?
     
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    The only "good" this act caused was none. Instead it incited in the enemies more fervor to want to retaliate in one way or another.

    What theyve done in this video was Senseless.
     
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    well of course it was senseless, do you really expect the soldiers we send over there to defend us to have a lot of "sensible" actions against the people they are shooting every day and being killed from? i don't. personally i think it was wrong, yes, but since when was war and killing people over ideals sensible?

    you have to stop thinking these soldiers live like normal citizens... they don't, they live in total hell, bullets whizzing past them like mosquitoes all the time, THEY LIVE IN WAR, WE DO NOT, i really don't think that we are in a place to judge them whether it was right or wrong.

    now if a normal citizen just pissed on a homeless guy, yes i would understand the "disgust" but these men and women save our lives, our country and our future and live in a reality we do not, i don't think anyone here has the right to tell them what they did was wrong even if it was unless you have carried a rifle over seas and lived their life.
     
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    I am a soldier and have been there. I would like to thank you for your words they are right on. Anyone who thinks its ok to piss on a dead person is a total idiot. Its that exact attitude that makes the world hate us. Its embarrassing and part of our culture that needs to change.
     
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    ....so, what "you've" posted gives them and any ome.else the right to.piss on a grave....
    Lets.see if our U.S. Govt agree with that thought. I doubt it
     
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    I think it's a good thing that so many people are outraged about this. As they should be. We (America) like to think we're the best. And, by a lot of tallies, we are. So that's why we can proudly fly the flag. We don't have to hide in caves. We don't have to hide behind women and children and use them as human shields. We don't have to use children as soldiers.

    And that's why this is so disgraceful. We, as a nation, are supposed to be at a higher standard. When I served and we were overseas, we were held at a higher standard. And I bet that those soldiers who pissed on the enemy dead sure as hell wouldn't want any of their soldiers pissed on after they were killed by enemy action. They'd probably get pissed off, too!
     
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    completely agree

    that's not exactly what im trying to say by that but whatever, im really on your side on this for the most part, i don't think anyone should have the "right" to do ANYTHING of that nature...

    my point was more of this, and i admit i poorly worded it...
    what was getting me frustrated was the people leaving nasty comments about our soldiers, what i'm trying to say is that yes, it was wrong of them, it truly was, BUT they are OUR marines, and even when they do stupid things and make mistakes and are wrong they deserve our thanks and gratitude for what they do right. too many people get "offended" by OUR military, the people that keep us free, no they aren't perfect they are most certainly human and WILL make mistakes but at the end of the day i am still proud to be an American and PROUD of our military. i really just want all the negativity to our military to stop, no matter what there crummy reasons are, and lets face it, being mad and angry at our entire military because only three men pissed on a terrorist is a pretty crummy reason. i feel like our country, or a good portion of it, finds any tiny reason now a days to get all bent out of shape at our military.

    i also thinks its disgusting that our soldiers received no welcome parade and acknowledgement when coming home. that pissed me off. we just let them come back nice and quiet and slip back into "normal" lives, i think that is absolutely pathetic on our part, i am personally ashamed
     
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    I think for a big part, we as a nation have moved on from the tragedy that was 9/11 (in no way am I making light of it or suggesting it wasn't the worst terrorist attack against America). I guess what I mean is that the whole Bush era of we need to kill these guys and we need to rile every American up to do it is coming to an end.
    Abu Ghraib was an absolute nightmare and I'm glad we acted with the disgust as we did. This is still quite insensible and I'm glad Americans are realizing, hey, the war on terror has at least quieted down and we need to act as the most respected stewards in both combat and image in the world.
    This is simply a step backwards IMO.
     
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    Covert_Death, I do understand what you are saying and you are right. But the problem that this is a highly political and diplomatic war where there are things we want to do to them for what unmerciful acts theyve done to innocent ones in NY and other parts of the world....as a country, we have to hold a highr ground and hold our reactions so not to compromise our just cause.

    Its hard not to do somethimg when we have that day burned into our heart and mind....i know you are right...but as you see, when we do these things we are called out by the world....
     
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    %1000 agree
     
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    Things like this have occurred in war since literally the beginning of time. It's nothing new and it's not as big of a deal as everyone is making it out to be. Have we forgotten about murdering innocent native American women and children in our own country? What about WW2 or Vietnam? Do you really think the enemy wasn't going to try to kill us before? That we've been at war this whole time and they haven't been pissed until we pissed on a couple dead bodies?

    One of my friend's dad is a vietnam vet and he put it best. "I saw on the news about people all up in arms about these soldiers pissin on a couple of the enemy's dead... I wonder what these people woulda thought if they'd seen a man hangin on the side of the trail with his gentials cut off and stuck in his mouth. And much worse. This ain't shit. We're in a war people, this ain't Kindergarten."

    Now I'm not saying its right. I'm just saying it happens and this particular offense isn't even close to as big of a deal as they're making it out to be.
     
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    Everyone seems to be pointing at what the Taliban does in an attempt to justify this act. We can't compare ourselves to an enemy that believes in burning down schools that teach women, or believes it is right to throw acid on women. This is about the standard of being a U.S. soldier, not the standard of doing things the way our enemies do things. I don't really care that it offends the people of Afghanistan so much that it goes against the dignity and the honor of being a service member in the U.S. military. As far as the Tea Bagger politician from FL, aside from the fact that he's a nutjob, YES war is hell, no that doesn't give combatants a license to behave like animals. Hopefully, the rest of our troops can stay strong because as Rico pointed out, this act is only going to help our enemies reforge their hatred and help recruit more people to their cause.
     
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    I agree. Not politically correct, but true.
     
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    These guys are idiots, not because of what they did but by putting it on the internet.

    In the early days of the war, you know when it was fun and we had the element of surprise. We would put pork in the mouths of the Taliban we killed, we would soak tampons in their blood and wipe them on their faces, and crudely shave their beards off. The tampons might seem a little vague, whoever found them had no idea who killed them, but its some old religious law not to touch a woman while menstruating.

    It might sound sadistic, but we did it for the reason of demoralizing the enemy. We would even go as far as to interrogate a prisoner while claiming the fresh meat were eating was their comrades that we cook in pig fat. Normally it was just hunks of pork, we never ate anyone, their quite undernourished there. Then he would "escape", go back and tell all his buddies how evil we were.

    Know what our actions got us? $10,000 bounty to anyone who could bring back one of our heads. $20,000 if alive. As we always left our calling cards behind so they knew who killed their friends. Showing your enemy they are less than human is what keeps them in fear and you from losing control.

    Like I said before, these Marines should be punished for being stupid. Not for urinating.
     
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    This is not right at all. Imagine how upset we'd be if this was our troops being disgraced like this. This is definitely unacceptable. That being said, I don't know if I can say this is 'worse' than killing a person. I just don't really see the point, and I think these people were not clearly thinking (especially when they decided to film it).

    I am mostly worried about any consequences that this could have. I'm sure it will have enemy forces and citizens upset about this, and more attacks on troops. It also casts the armed forces in a bad light, which is not needed at all. These men and women are doing a service to their country and deserve our respect... even though this action is not a respectable one, these people are still doing a respectable thing by serving, and I think that is the important thing here.
     
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    Ladies and Gentlemen, I felt that now would be the perfect opportunity to not only keep my mouth shut, but to share with you the feelings of someone very qualified on the subject! Instead of weighing in with my own opinions based on some emotion or bravado or national pride, I decided to weigh in with the opinion of my childhood friend and career Marine (active duty) with the rank of Colonel. These are his words, verbatim:

    " I have seen a lot of posts and comments from folks wanting to defend the Marines that were apparently shown on the video urinating on the dead Taliban. I know and am thankful so many Americans want to give their Marines the benefit of the doubt and not 'blame' them for their actions. Thank you all for your support but in this case as it appears right now, these Marines do not deserve a pass. The truth is this: Marines are better than that, period. Does our enemy offer our dead or wounded the same courtesy? No, but that doesn't mean we lower our standards of conduct as professional warriors, Marines, and as Americans. As Marines we hold ourselves and each other to the highest standards and we will not tolerate anyone that jeopardizes our mission or tarnishes the honor of the Corps. I am sure it broke the heart of the Commandant as it broke mine that the SecDef and SecState had to apologize for these Marines actions. But while they are in some hot water, these Marines will be treated fairly. They will have all their rights under the UCMJ protected and if found guilty, held accountable. So while I am sure all Marines appreciate the support, there is no excuse for this kind of action. We owe you better. Semper Fidelis"
     

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