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Michael Savage: Don't trust feds on flu shot

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    What a nut job. Is this garbage really worth repeating?
     
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    you find something he said to be inaccurate?
     
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    His statements about vaccines are completely inaccurate and have been proven to be so.
     
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    Well I believe the "guessing" part is accurate. There are many strains of influenza, and each year it differs of which one is the one to be spread. My sister went to college for some nursing degree or something like that and thats what they told her about the flu vaccine. Only instead of 5 strains that they picked 3.. this was quite a few years ago so maybe it has changed since.
    The only flu shots I got were when I was young enough for my parents to tell me I had too, and guess what... most those years I ended up getting the flu. Now I don't get the shot and I still haven't gotten it (knock on wood). I try to keep my immune system strong and try to live healthy, and so far it seems to be working better than the flu shot ever did for me before.

    Also found this on the vaccine.gov 's website.
    so yes he was wrong in a sense, he said they use 5 when they say they use 3. I didn't really take much time to read the rest of his article
     
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    Yeah, he's wrong about the 5, but that's the least harmful of what he says. His other statements that are wrong:

    Statement is completely false. No empirical evidence at all linking vaccines with any of those things. Then he goes on further to say:



    This argument is completely bogus. There is no link between vaccines and alzheimers and the argument linking vaccines and autism has been thoroughly and completely dis-proven.
     
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    All I need to do is just consider the source: some guy with a website and an obvious bias. His claims are no more trustworthy than those of any given person looking to profit from telling tall tales.

    The medical doctors who I know and trust, and even my own personal experience says that getting a flu shot is a good idea. So far nothing credible says anything different. It's common sense.
     
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    I’ve never had a flu shot but have gotten no end of grief from people like my ma. There’s something suspicious to me about anything that causes such a herd mentality.
     
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    I've never had a flu shot, just out of laziness, but this guy is scaring people from doing something that saves lives, all for some ridiculous conspiracy theory and irrational distrust of the government. Tin foil hat alert!
     
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    I've never got a flu shot, but have never gotten the flu. This is mainly because I fear needles.
     
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    I get a flu shot every yea....

    Wait, what was we talking about?
     
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    Fortunately we live in an Internet age where we don't have to choose who we believe. We just have to fire up the Internets and see who's actually telling the truth.
     
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    Scaned his article. He got one thing right: don't trust the government. However its not government who determines which flu virus will hit us, its scientist and it is a shot in the dark. It is no different then rolling dice and trying to guess what number comes up, thats as good as it gets.

    Now about the shot and falsehoods people hear and believe. You do not get a live virus from the shot so they do not give you the flu. Think about it that would be kind of crazy. In the 60's they did and it caused a lot of problems but they learned over the years how to avoid that.

    Now the other falsehood, if you get the shot you will not feel any effects. That is bull too. Some people do not. I get a very mild reaction for some reason and it can last up to 24 hours. It says on the shot information this is normal, its not the flu. And its not something that puts me sick in bed or not able to work.

    Do yourself a favor and get the shot annually to prevent the worse case scenario. More and more people are dying from not getting the shot and having no protection. I haven't had the flu in 20 years or more, just those mild symptoms I mentioned is all.
     
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    This thread ought to be a monument to the efficacy of "a little knowledge is a dangerous thing."
     
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    That claim applies to both sides, pro- and anti-flushot.
     
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    You can only represent yourself. Please do so.

    If someone claims that people who say things that they don't like must be ignorant, that itself would be speaking from a place of ignorance.
     
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    Yes it would, considering that a virus isn't a living organism. :D
     
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    Err .. one side has centuries (first vaccine was used in 1774) of scientific evidence backing it up, the other has the rantings of some nut job so no, the claim does NOT apply to both sides.

    Not even close.

    Same thing applies to global warming, the moon landings, Kennedy, alien visits etc etc etc. Take your tin hat off and join the real world.
     
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    I dunno. I might dispute that. Depends on your definition of life I guess.
     
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    2 other points:
    This was mostly in Europe: They allow an additive or something that the US doesn't.
    The Checkup - Why flu vaccine may cause narcolepsy

    The other would be that drug company that put out the tainted steroids. How do we know which companies are on the up and up?
     
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    Why would they not be on the up and up given that if they are not the feds will drop on them like a ton of bricks not to mention the class action suit and individual suits they would face? Not being on the up and up pretty much ensures that they will be bankrupt and likely in jail.
     
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    You should dispute it. A virus is indeed a living organism.
     
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    I've heard some argue that it isn't because it doesn't appear to be capable of independent thought and is therefore not "alive". Viruses do self-replicate and adapt to their environments as best they can so to me they are alive.
     
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    Organisms do not need to be capable of independent thought to be alive. Forget those that argue the point because they do not know much. A virus is a living organism, period.
     

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