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Middle East Hypocrisy

Discussion in 'Politics and Current Affairs' started by cipher6, Mar 1, 2011.

  1. cipher6

    cipher6 Android Enthusiast
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    I see some foreign policy hypocrisy coming from the Administration in regards to uprisings and protests in the Middle East, not that hypocrisy in US foreign policy is anything new.

    Iran, very brutal, stones, hangs and cains to death people it doesn't like, (gays, adulterous women, rape victims.)

    Its people rise up in protest over their elections, Obama says, its an internal matter, we need to stay out.

    Egypt, less brutal, doesn't routinely slaughter its citizens, Obama says, Mubarak has got to go.

    Libya, drops bombs on protesters from fighter jets... Obama says nothing.

    If this pattern continues, it would seem the worse human rights abuser you are, the more the Administration will leave you alone.

    There is a reason every news organization in the world was in Tariq square in Egypt, but close to zero western media outlets in Libya. As bad as Mubarak was, he was no Gadaffi. But watching the news you would think Mubarak was eating babies, but level of outcry over Gadaffi is certainly much lower, and he's dropping bombs on protesters. Where is Anderson Cooper? He won't go to Libya, cause there is a very real chance he will get blown up, not just shoved around, so you don't hear a whole lot. NBC during the Egypt protests had numours people there, and had a "Middle East in Crisis" special edition (and graphics and sound effects) every night on the nightly news.

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  2. cjr72

    cjr72 Android Enthusiast

    It seems to me Obama is letting events lead him around by the nose. Obama only got around to saying Mubarak has to go when events in Egypt made it more likely that Mubarak would go. If there is a strategy in that it seems to be one of straddling both sides so he can't be clearly identified with siding with the losing camp and thus putting himself at odds with the side that prevails.
  3. byteware

    byteware Android Expert

    I'm no Obama fan, but I think he's doing a pretty good job on his rhetoric.

    Let me explain.

    Iran... if it appears that we are involved in the public protests in Iran, they will lose much of their legitimacy. So, we tend to allow that to play out as it will. If it gets to the level of Lybia, many nations may come together to step in, but it's not something we can do alone.

    Lybia, Obama has said quite a bit about Lybia Since we got the American citizens out of the country. He is sending ships to the area in case they decide to setup a no-fly zone. He has also had Ghaddafi's assets in this Country frozen, to the tune of Several Billion dollars in hopes of putting an end to the mercenaries that are hired to kill the citizens of Lybia.

    Mubarak is an entirely different matter. Mubarak was a friend of the US. He was a close Ally, however, when it became clear that Mubarak was going to be put out of office, Obama supported the protesters. He did this because he didn't want to hurt our ties to Mubarak before hand.

    It's inconsistent, but remember each situation is different.
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  4. ipodman

    ipodman Newbie

    If it's such an "Internal" matter, then why are we pushing him too leave.

    His people WILL push him, without our help. Help those that are leaving, until they can return.

    We should leave well alone.
  5. byteware

    byteware Android Expert

    We aren't pushing Ahmadinejad to leave. It wouldn't really help anyways, as he doesn't have any power over the direction of Iran anyways.
  6. ipodman

    ipodman Newbie

    Of course all these "disturbances" in the middle east may well destabilise Iran?
  7. ElasticNinja

    ElasticNinja Android Expert

    Remember that Gaddaffi makes Kim Jong Ill look sane
    their will be slaughter

    I support a no fly zone over Libya, but we can't just leave it to the US
  8. byteware

    byteware Android Expert

    It seems that way since Iran is firing tear gas at protesters.

    Of course it will be left to the US... some other countries will provide support, but any plane that will be put in danger will be the US. Nobody else has the stones.
  9. Slug

    Slug Check six!
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    Damn right it can't be.... nothing would bolster Gadaffi's failing regime more than the propaganda from a US shoot-down of a Libyan aircraft, sanctioned by the UN or not. The Libyan people haven't forgotten Iran Air Flight 655, and Gadaffi would make the most of it. A no-fly zone sounds good in principal, but there are very sound reasons why only the UK seems keen to choose that route.
  10. ElasticNinja

    ElasticNinja Android Expert

    France seem eager on it too
    Reckon a decent UK-French op could be organised with UN backing
    tho I already have pictures in my head of European troops landing in the east :(
  11. byteware

    byteware Android Expert

    And yet, it is the US that already has planes en route...

    just in case.
  12. cjr72

    cjr72 Android Enthusiast

    Would the EU (or US) enforce a no-fly zone without a UN resolution? If not would the Russians or Chinese support the passing of a UN resolution to enforce a no-fly zone?
  13. byteware

    byteware Android Expert

    At first glance, it seems obvious that both would support a no-fly resolution, but at a second glance, I'm not sure China would.
  14. ElasticNinja

    ElasticNinja Android Expert

    i would worry about Russia, China should be fine
  15. Slug

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    Well, they at least have a navy with a blue-water carrier capability. Unlike the Royal Navy. :rolleyes:
  16. ElasticNinja

    ElasticNinja Android Expert

    yeah, thats why an integrated military is the only Eurothing the UK pushes for :p
  17. Dark Jedi

    Dark Jedi Guest

    Lets not forget we sent F-111 to drop bombs on Libya in the 80's and the people didnt like it so much. We have to remember they dont like us so much and if we start shooting down Libyan aircraft the protesters will turn on the US. Like any rebellion we need to sit back and let it take its course. If they ask for help then its different. Look at the US revolution no one got involved until we asked the french for help. Never assume someone wants help.

    Its funny how we only flex our muscles against countries we know we can defeat their military easily.
  18. byteware

    byteware Android Expert

    I disagree. Our main concern wouldn't be PR with the Libyan rebels, it would be PR with the rest of the Arab world. I don't think there is anyone who would honestly argue that shooting down the planes that are bombing them, would make them turn on us...

    Which would be... everyone with the exception of Russia and China? Well, China anyway.

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