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Mobile hotspot with evo idea...

Correct. Sprint would have to find a way to sniff packets and find out if their hotspot application is sourcing the data in order to measure traffic. If they do that, off goes their hotspot app and on goes wi-fi tether. Problem solved. wi-fi tether doesn't show proxied requests so we're back to unlimited.

Oh god.. ok Time to step in and correct.

1.) Mobile WiFi hotspot is considered PHONE AS MODEM, so the 3G cap applies.
(read your ToS)

2.) They don't have to packet sniff a thing. My webserver picks up what OS your using, version, browser, IP Address, yada yada. And it's all recorded. Since Sprint is your ISP in this regard, their servers I'm sure do the same, or at the very least are capable, and unless your running Android on your home PC, BUSTED!

3.)3G on the PHONE is unlimited, not while tethered. In any way shape or form. Once again, refer to your ToS.

4.) Monitor your 4G connection. If for some reason you end up falling back on 3G while tethering, and your doing some major consumption, anything over that 5GB soft cap while tethered Sprint can legally charge you overages, kill your contract, kill the esn on your phone, and charge you an esn.

If you want to take the risks, thats on you. But I felt I needed to put this information out there.
 
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2.) They don't have to packet sniff a thing. My webserver picks up what OS your using, version, browser, IP Address, yada yada. And it's all recorded. Since Sprint is your ISP in this regard, their servers I'm sure do the same, or at the very least are capable, and unless your running Android on your home PC, BUSTED!

While you are correct, maybe you can clear something up for me. What does your webserver do with browsers and devices/OSs that are set to report as something they are not?

If you don't know, and might be curious I would love to take that offline and test some of this with you.
 
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Oh god.. ok Time to step in and correct.

1.) Mobile WiFi hotspot is considered PHONE AS MODEM, so the 3G cap applies.
(read your ToS)

2.) They don't have to packet sniff a thing. My webserver picks up what OS your using, version, browser, IP Address, yada yada. And it's all recorded. Since Sprint is your ISP in this regard, their servers I'm sure do the same, or at the very least are capable, and unless your running Android on your home PC, BUSTED!

3.)3G on the PHONE is unlimited, not while tethered. In any way shape or form. Once again, refer to your ToS.

4.) Monitor your 4G connection. If for some reason you end up falling back on 3G while tethering, and your doing some major consumption, anything over that 5GB soft cap while tethered Sprint can legally charge you overages, kill your contract, kill the esn on your phone, and charge you an esn.

If you want to take the risks, thats on you. But I felt I needed to put this information out there.


1 and 3 are Incorrect.. look at Sprint's EVO Playbook. Scroll down to the WiFi Hotspot section. I have also verified this with my Account Manager and Tech Support

Sprint Playbook: EVO 4G is a high-end, awesome device
 
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Actually, they are all correct.

refer to this for simple browser/OS detection

Tryit Editor v1.4

Oops you are wrong about number 1 and the tethering part of number 3 is what I meant. The EVO does not have a Data Cap on 3G or 4g regardless if you are tethering or using the Hotspot (paying for it obviously) or just using 3G or 4G straight from the EVO itself (except when roaming the cap is 300 mb) It is spelled out plain and clear in the Roadmap and I have verified with my Sprint Rep.
 
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Actually, they are all correct.

refer to this for simple browser/OS detection

Tryit Editor v1.4


Exactly what I expected. I can change dolphin to make it look like windows and an iphone. I sort of thought I would see something new.

Edit-and that's with one setting change. I would bet I could hide even more if I learned more about the OS.
 
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Exactly what I expected. I can change dolphin to make it look like windows and an iphone. I sort of thought I would see something new.

Edit-and that's with one setting change. I would bet I could hide even more if I learned more about the OS.

That's just a simple script. There are more in-depth ones. And how exactly do you plan on changing your OS Version?

that's exactly what your doing, is using your PHONE AS A MODEM.
 
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That's just a simple script. There are more in-depth ones. And how exactly do you plan on changing your OS Version?

And tethering isn't worded in the ToS, Phone as Modem is, and that's exactly what your doing, is using your PHONE AS A MODEM.

Yes that is correct for every other phone. The EVO however has it's own rules and there is no data cap on Sprint's Network while tethering wired or wirelessly to the EVO. Did you even bother to look at my link? http://www.phonedog.com/2010/05/27/sprint-playbook-evo-4g-is-an-awesome-device-but-watch-that-battery/. Read the Hotspot section again
 
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That's just a simple script. There are more in-depth ones. And how exactly do you plan on changing your OS Version?

that's exactly what your doing, is using your PHONE AS A MODEM.


First, relax. I used my phone itself. I asked you something based on curiosity thinking you might know something I didn't.

Second, I am not thinking I would change the OS, just how a remote server would perceive it. I don't even have a need to do so, I was more interested in the possibility of seeing how it reports based on what you said you can detect. At this point, I think I can find that on my own as effectively. I was under the impression you had these things in place.
 
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Straight from the sprint website:

Terms & Conditions

HTC EVO™ 4G - Sprint - Phone Detail

Prohibited Network Uses. To ensure the activities of some users do not impair the ability of our customers to have access to reliable services provided at reasonable costs, you may not use our services in a manner that is unlawful, infringes on intellectual property rights, or harms or unduly interferes with the use of Sprint's network or systems. Sprint reserves the right, without notice or limitation, to limit data throughput speeds or quantities or to deny, terminate, end, modify, disconnect, or suspend service if an individual engages in any of the prohibited voice or data uses detailed below or if Sprint, in its sole discretion, determines action is necessary to protect its wireless networks from harm or degradation. Examples of prohibited voice uses: Sprint voice services are provided solely for live dialogue between, and initiated by, individuals for personal use and as otherwise described in this policy. Sprint services may not be used for any other purposes, including, but not limited to: monitoring services, transmission of broadcasts, transmission of recorded material, telemarketing, autodialed calls, other commercial uses, or other connections that do not consist of uninterrupted live dialogue between individuals. Examples of prohibited data uses: Sprint data services are provided solely for purposes of web surfing, sending and receiving email, photographs and other similar messaging activities, and the non-continuous streaming of videos, downloading of files or on line gaming. Our data services may not be used: (i) to generate excessive amounts of Internet traffic through the continuous, unattended streaming, downloading or uploading of videos or other files or to operate hosting services including, but not limited to, web or gaming hosting; (ii) to maintain continuous active network connections to the Internet such as through a web camera or machine-to-machine connections that do not involve active participation by a person; (iii) to disrupt email use by others using automated or manual routines, including, but not limited to "auto-responders" or cancel bots or other similar routines; (iv) to transmit or facilitate any unsolicited or unauthorized advertising, telemarketing, promotional materials, "junk mail", unsolicited commercial or bulk email, or fax; (v) for activities adversely affecting the ability of other people or systems to use either Sprint's wireless services or other parties' Internet-based resources, including, but not limited to, "denial of service" (DoS) attacks against another network host or individual user; (vi) for an activity that connects any device to Personal Computers (including without limitation, laptops), or other equipment for the purpose of transmitting wireless data over the network (unless customer is using a plan designated for such usage); or (vi) for any other reason that, in our sole discretion violates our policy of providing service for individual use. Unlimited Use Plans. If you subscribe to rate plans, services or features that are described as unlimited, you should be aware that such "unlimited" plans are subject to these Sprint Prohibited Network Uses.
 
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That is a general Terms and conditions for all of there contracts. I have the same thing in my business with leases and contracts. Of course Sprint can say "you used way to much Data so we are cutting it off until the next billing cycle". Not argueing that at all. But Sprint is giving true unlimited to those who purchase the Hotspot on the EVO including PHONE AS MODEM.
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Sprint cannot track you, if you use PDANET for example (they can't tell if you're on the EVo or on your laptop using their DATA) and for $10 extra you pay you get TRUE UNLIMITED DATA ...at least for now. end of story

Saying an ISP can't pull up your data logs is laughable at best. They can determine exactly what your doing, how your doing it, and how often. How do you think traffic shaping works with bittorrents?

Comcast Throttles BitTorrent Traffic, Seeding Impossible | TorrentFreak

Even though this particular use was wrong, the method of determining types of traffic is relatively easy for any sysadmin at an ISP.


That is a general Terms and conditions for all of there contracts. I have the same thing in my business with leases and contracts. Of course Sprint can say "you used way to much Data so we are cutting it off until the next billing cycle". Not argueing that at all. But Sprint is giving true unlimited to those who purchase the Hotspot on the EVO including PHONE AS MODEM.
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Read the bottom very carefully. It says "unlimited" on any device does not include any kind of continuous streaming data.

And since that advertisement declares WiFi Hotspot is treated the same as mobile broadband, they are subject to the same exact rules. Read that advertisement very carefully.
 
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Read the bottom very carefully. It says "unlimited" on any device does not include any kind of continuous streaming data.

And since that advertisement declares WiFi Hotspot is treated the same as mobile broadband, they are subject to the same exact rules. Read that advertisement very carefully.

I agree with your first part. An ISP has a right to pull any records and decide to cut a user off for any reason. That is in any contract. And i have read that disclaimer carefully. That is not what i am saying. I am saying that the EVO gets unlimited 3G and 4G data also with the Hotspot when you purchase it. It is not an Advertisement... It is an Internal Road Map for Sprint Sales teams on how to sell the EVO. YOU read it carefully. It points out that the MiFi and the Overdrive are subject to 3G data limits to demonstrate the value of adding the Hotspot to your plan.
 
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I agree with your first part. An ISP has a right to pull any records and decide to cut a user off for any reason. That is in any contract. And i have read that disclaimer carefully. That is not what i am saying. I am saying that the EVO gets unlimited 3G and 4G data also with the Hotspot when you purchase it. It is not an Advertisement... It is an Internal Road Map for Sprint Sales teams on how to sell the EVO. YOU read it carefully. It points out that the MiFi and the Overdrive are subject to 3G data limits to demonstrate the value of adding the Hotspot to your plan.

The "road map" shows WiFi hot spot falling under the phone-as-modem category, ergo falling under Mobile Broadband category, subject to the same policies and limitations. That being said, it's only unlimited for anything that's not deemed as bandwidth intensive, such as streaming video, gaming, or downloading large files.
 
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The "road map" shows WiFi hot spot falling under the phone-as-modem category, ergo falling under Mobile Broadband category, subject to the same policies and limitations. That being said, it's only unlimited for anything that's not deemed as bandwidth intensive, such as streaming video, gaming, or downloading large files.

Oy vey. You are thick.... It is showing them how to sell that feature. It is a bullet point. How do I sell the phone and the hotspot to someone and a key point is that "Yes you could buy an Overdrive or a MiFi but those fall under our 3G data limitations however buying an EVO and the mobile Hotspot will save you 30.00's on the hotspot portion and you have no limitations on 3G or 4G Mr. Customer". It does not fall under the Mobile Broadband Category. It clearly stats that the MiFi and the Overdrive do, although they are hotspots. Are you not reading that the same way as I am. The EVO is it's own category. Never been arguing the point that they are allowed to decide what you can and can't do with that data.
 
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Oy vey. You are thick.... It is showing them how to sell that feature. It is a bullet point. How do I sell the phone and the hotspot to someone and a key point is that "Yes you could buy an Overdrive or a MiFi but those fall under our 3G data limitations however buying an EVO and the mobile Hotspot will save you 30.00's on the hotspot portion and you have no limitations on 3G or 4G Mr. Customer". It does not fall under the Mobile Broadband Category. It clearly stats that the MiFi and the Overdrive do, although they are hotspots. Are you not reading that the same way as I am. The EVO is it's own category. Never been arguing the point that they are allowed to decide what you can and can't do with that data.

Just talked to retentions, twice. They both confirmed the evo Wifi hotspot option falls under the mobile broadband category. I suggest you talk to your manager.
 
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Just talked to retentions, twice. They both confirmed the evo Wifi hotspot option falls under the mobile broadband category. I suggest you talk to your manager.

I was just on the phone with them as well and I got three confirmations that I am correct so I sent off an email to Dan@sprint.com and I will post the response if I ever get one. Until then agree to disagree and it doesn't affect you anyway seeing as you don't have an EVO (not a snide remark). I will abide by whatever the email says so if I am wrong I will admit it.
 
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I was just on the phone with them as well and I got three confirmations that I am correct so I sent off an email to Dan@sprint.com and I will post the response if I ever get one. Until then agree to disagree and it doesn't affect you anyway seeing as you don't have an EVO (not a snide remark). I will abide by whatever the email says so if I am wrong I will admit it.

I plan on getting either an EVO or Epic, and I have WiFi hotspot on my moment anyway.

And who did you talk to? You should customer care reps aren't exactly knowledgeable.
 
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I went over the 5gb limit last month. had no overage charges, disconnects, or warnings. hows that for proof?

Doesn't mean they will do it for some uses, in fact history says they won't However, replacing your home connection via wifi tether and racking up the same amount of bandwidth puts you on the radar for further inspection. So that's not really proof at all, now is it?
 
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